Draft A Potential Franchise QB In April

[rjdriver]

The Bears won a SB in 85.. How did that happen?

That Buddy Ryan D was the catalyst for the emphasis and demand on defensive head coaches. It was a helluva run. Defense reigned mighty 40 years ago. Parcells, Dungy, Cowher, M. Lewis, W. Phillips, Belichick. It was violent, bone crushing football. Like a microcosm of life though, everything moves in cycles.

The game has evolved. We are seeing an epic run of offensive coaches who have clearly proven more valuable then defensive specialists. Experience is no longer king, ingenuity is.

Yeah, I know Pete won one by assembling an epic defensive just a decade ago. However he also had potent, special, playmakers on the offensive side of the ball including a top 5 QB that counted a half million against the cap.

The game is evolving, it's time to be on the leading edge looking forward instead of the trailing edge looking back.

 

[WarHawks]

That Buddy Ryan D was the catalyst for the emphasis and demand on defensive head coaches. It was a helluva run. Defense reigned mighty 40 years ago. Parcells, Dungy, Cowher, M. Lewis, W. Phillips, Belichick. It was violent, bone crushing football. Like a microcosm of life though, everything moves in cycles.

The game has evolved. We are seeing an epic run of offensive coaches who have clearly proven more valuable then defensive specialists. Experience is no longer king, ingenuity is.

Yeah, I know Pete won one by assembling an epic defensive just a decade ago. However he also had potent, special, playmakers on the offensive side of the ball including a top 5 QB that counted a half million against the cap.

The game is evolving, it's time to be on the leading edge looking forward instead of the trailing edge looking back.

Great post. Those who embrace change are able to make it work for them. Those who hold on to the past and resist change, find themselves prisoner to it.

 

[oldhawkfan]

The FO had the perfect opportunity to truly rebuild, and blow up the team after the Russ trade. But their "patching" strategy was the fatal flaw, imo. Contracts are up in 2025 - I don't think they have much time left now to rebuild properly.

There are 32 players from the 2021 season that are no longer on the team. That was Me3s last season. That is 60% of the roster turned over. Looks like a rebuild to me.

 

[hoxrox]

There are 32 players from the 2021 season that are no longer on the team. That was Me3s last season. That is 60% of the roster turned over. Looks like a rebuild to me.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a 2010/2011 rebuild.

As is, we have a lot of aging, underperforming vets on bloated contracts.

 

[bmorepunk]

Not really. That rarely happens, Wilson included.

The Bears have had quite the run since then. I think they've won like six playoff games in the past 28 years, and had losing seasons half of those. And not having a good QB at the wrong time in the 2006 Super Bowl? Glad I'm not a Bears fan.

 

[bigskydoc]

The Bears won a SB in 85.. How did that happen?

A team built like the 85 Bears wouldn't sniff the playoffs in today's NFL

 

[oldhawkfan]

A team built like the 85 Bears wouldn't sniff the playoffs in today's NFL

With that defense and Walter Payton? Ok

 

[knownone]

Interesting article. Seattle should target a difference-maker at QB if one is available. But QB isn't the reason they are struggling. Geno is good enough for them to be a contender. And only the rarest of QBs are going to carry this defense consistently.

 

[Rat]

Even in a mediocre season, we're probably drafting too late. Losing that second round pick hurts because that means we'd probably have to trade future picks to move up. Not sure I want to risk being Carolina at this time next year.

 

[billbird2111]

Yup, can't see how they can avoid it. Not only because its needed and smart. But it would take some pressure off next year of playoff expectations like we had this year. This year was set up to be real contenders by the moves made to improve from last year. We draft a rookie qb, as long as you see potential and growth, playoffs aren't a must - have .

OK. This is where I agree to disagree. Do the Seahawks need to draft a QB? YES THEY DO. Should they waste a first round pick on that QB? NO THEY SHOULD NOT.

Was Russell Wilson a first round pick? He was not. How about the KING of Super Bowl Championships, Tom Brady? He was a fifth round, throw away, practice squad pick. The most recent example (yes, yer gonna hate this), Brock Purdy. A first round pick? Please. You all know where he got drafted.

The Seahawks would be wise to use that first rounder on a game-changing pass rusher who can make Purdy's life absolutely miserable starting next season. Or a linebacker. Whatever. Do not waste that pick on a QB.

Drafting QB's is a CR*PSHOOT. Many first round picks flame out. Not all. But many do. Why take that risk? Why do that when you know some shrewd scouting will deliver the next big thing? If you draft a QB with a first round pick, you risk the kind of misery that is taking place in Chicago. First it was Trubisky. Now it's Fields. The Bears haven't sniffed a playoff berth in a long time. How about Carolina? Not happening.

There are A LOT of very good QB's coming out of college this year. Look for them in the minor bowl games. Those games start this weekend. If the Seahawks are smart, and I know this team is, they'll start shopping for the new guy in the third round or even later.

 

[Rat]

The hit rate on QBs after the first round is terrible to the point of it being reckless to depend on. People mention getting Russ in the third, but do you know who the last franchise QB drafted in the third round was? Russ, 11 years ago. How many have been found in the sixth since Brady? None, unless you consider Tyrod Taylor a franchise QB. Literally none in the 5th round since Bob Waterfield in 1944. Washington is hoping they have the next in Howell.

 

[bigskydoc]

With that defense and Walter Payton? Ok

Even if we ignore the size difference, the average Chicago Bears offensive lineman in 1985 was roughly 45 pounds lighter than today’s average offensive lineman (Payton would have no holes to run through), the physicality of the 1985 Bears would ensure that half the roster would spend at least two games per year suspended in the modern era.

They were nights in the league with penalty yards in 1985, but their dominant run through the playoffs was marred by almost as many penalty yards as they received in the regular season. a team that played like that today would be buried with penalty yards The Bears employed a bump and run coverage strategy that would have drawn illegal contact penalties on just about every play in today’s NFL the linebackers relied on, intimidating hits, often times, leaping off the ground at the opponents to bring them down.

They never faced off against anything like today’s dual threat QB.

Ask yourself, how many teams today run a 46 defense? Then ask yourself how come nobody today runs what was one of the most successful defensive schemes of that era?

Today’s offenses are the progeny of the offenses that were built to defeat those great defenses of the 80s.

One area where the 85 Bears still have an edge is in their ability to adjust on the fly. Can’t take that away from them.

 

[IndyHawk]

A team built like the 85 Bears wouldn't sniff the playoffs in today's NFL

No kidding?
My point was you need a good D,good running game and decent QB still
today to win.

 

[Jac]

Even if we ignore the size difference, the average Chicago Bears offensive lineman in 1985 was roughly 45 pounds lighter than today’s average offensive lineman (Payton would have no holes to run through), the physicality of the 1985 Bears would ensure that half the roster would spend at least two games per year suspended in the modern era.

They were nights in the league with penalty yards in 1985, but their dominant run through the playoffs was marred by almost as many penalty yards as they received in the regular season. a team that played like that today would be buried with penalty yards The Bears employed a bump and run coverage strategy that would have drawn illegal contact penalties on just about every play in today’s NFL the linebackers relied on, intimidating hits, often times, leaping off the ground at the opponents to bring them down.

They never faced off against anything like today’s dual threat QB.

Ask yourself, how many teams today run a 46 defense? Then ask yourself how come nobody today runs what was one of the most successful defensive schemes of that era?

Today’s offenses are the progeny of the offenses that were built to defeat those great defenses of the 80s.

One area where the 85 Bears still have an edge is in their ability to adjust on the fly. Can’t take that away from them.

I think you're taking what should be an analogy and making it something real. If a team is built with what is the #1 defense of its particular era, along with a strong running game, that team will definitely sniff the playoffs. Teams like Seattle, Tennessee, Baltimore have shown that over the years. I mean the 1970's Steelers wouldn't make the playoffs right now either since their average offensive lineman was like 255 pounds.

 

[IndyHawk]

That Buddy Ryan D was the catalyst for the emphasis and demand on defensive head coaches. It was a helluva run. Defense reigned mighty 40 years ago. Parcells, Dungy, Cowher, M. Lewis, W. Phillips, Belichick. It was violent, bone crushing football. Like a microcosm of life though, everything moves in cycles.

The game has evolved. We are seeing an epic run of offensive coaches who have clearly proven more valuable then defensive specialists. Experience is no longer king, ingenuity is.

Yeah, I know Pete won one by assembling an epic defensive just a decade ago. However he also had potent, special, playmakers on the offensive side of the ball including a top 5 QB that counted a half million against the cap.

The game is evolving, it's time to be on the leading edge looking forward instead of the trailing edge looking back.

You still need D,running game and a decent QB that has not changed at all.

 

[mistaowen]

The top 2 possibly 3 guys will likely be off the board before John can make a pick and I don't see them selling the house to get either of them. There's a handful of very interesting quarterbacks after them who should be available and could sit for a year or two behind Geno - Ewers (if he declares), Rattler (I think he will have an incredible combine), and potentially Penix though his age makes it hard to justify sitting behind Geno. I think John will be very interested in Ewers if he does decide to enter the draft, fits his profile to a T.

I think Lock showed what to expect from him, even if he didn't get proper prep with the 1's. NFL arm, NFL athleticism, confident running the offense, but will absolutely throw risky passes a couple times a game. That's a big no-no for Pete. I'm sure Pete and John are hoping all this time learning will pay off, just don't know if he will ever be a ++starting NFL QB unfortunately.

 

[Optimus25]

So many differing opinions on this but i want to go all in on defense. We need safety, the brooks question answered, and bobbys replacement either next season or the season after. So many gaps everywhere that aren’t Super Bowl caliber, i think we need to stay in the QB value hunting mode.

Purdy, Dak, russ, Jimmy G, Levis, and even browning lately are showing you can win with this formula and i think it is the easiest way to win.

Look at the lost capital the panthers suffered, or even that in spite of getting burrow, the bengals still don’t have the championship. The bills don’t either with Allen, and the Jags seem lost in the sauce and inconsistent with the sure thing Lawrence who is going to get PAID in a year and some change.

There’s arguments everywhere, i just think smart value shopping is the way. Our defense is atrocious and couldn’t support Mahomes right now.

 

[DeSeahawk]

OK. This is where I agree to disagree. Do the Seahawks need to draft a QB? YES THEY DO. Should they waste a first round pick on that QB? NO THEY SHOULD NOT.

Was Russell Wilson a first round pick? He was not. How about the KING of Super Bowl Championships, Tom Brady? He was a fifth round, throw away, practice squad pick. The most recent example (yes, yer gonna hate this), Brock Purdy. A first round pick? Please. You all know where he got drafted.

The Seahawks would be wise to use that first rounder on a game-changing pass rusher who can make Purdy's life absolutely miserable starting next season. Or a linebacker. Whatever. Do not waste that pick on a QB.

Drafting QB's is a CR*PSHOOT. Many first round picks flame out. Not all. But many do. Why take that risk? Why do that when you know some shrewd scouting will deliver the next big thing? If you draft a QB with a first round pick, you risk the kind of misery that is taking place in Chicago. First it was Trubisky. Now it's Fields. The Bears haven't sniffed a playoff berth in a long time. How about Carolina? Not happening.

There are A LOT of very good QB's coming out of college this year. Look for them in the minor bowl games. Those games start this weekend. If the Seahawks are smart, and I know this team is, they'll start shopping for the new guy in the third round or even later.

True, but if I'm going to bet 50 bucks on who is going to pick a better qb : the guy with a first round pick or the guy with the third round pick ? Dropping my bet on the first rounder. I completely agree that it's a crapshoot. But I want to pick with as many options as possible. Now if a team decides they like Harry McTurd out of Poopstain University the most and they think he will be available on day 2 or 3 , they that's cool.

 

[12forlife]

QBOTF
Doesn't help if you have a Waldron as OC and a weak D not providing
TOs and more chances at TDs by stopping opponents drives.
I'd be happy to get Jake Browning somehow with a different OC no need
to train, coach and deal with a rookies mistakes. You see how many of these
so called next great QBs bust?
If a Purdy fell to us in the late rounds great! otherwise I'm content to just plug
and play until it sorts itself out.

That is not a winning philosophy. "Plug and play until it sorts itself out"? Who do you think we are the frickin Browns. Seattle hasn't missed on QB's, if they see their guy they need to do be all needs to go get him! He'll as bad as the Hawks are playing we may end up with a top 10 pick. At that point Williams & Drake are in play! Plug & Play, damn your funny!

 

[GemCity]

A team built like the 85 Bears wouldn't sniff the playoffs in today's NFL

I agree with a lot of your posts dawg but…those Bears were pretty damn good.