Does Anybody Really Think Anythings Going Change?

[GaiusMarius]

I think that Wilson is okay staying in Seattle...with big coaching changes.

I am skeptical that he wants to give it another year, another go with Carroll. Nor does that have to be personal. A good many coaching-QB relationships do not last this long.

So even if Allen wants to avoid change...

Even if Carroll is deluded enough to think that he's close...

Even if Schneider is excited for the next draft...

I think that Wilson blows up those plans. It's quite simple. He has already positioned himself to want to stay in Seattle, but to also be fine playing elsewhere in the NFL (his statements). A conversation has, or will shortly happen, where Wilson makes his position clear to Allen. Stay in Seattle under new coaching and management that he is involved with selecting (a lot of wiggle room in that last) or trade him to an approved team for as much as the Seahawks could get for him.

 

[xray]

This falls into the hands of Ownership and all that entails ; to decide how to handle a sticky situation . They must know that the majority of the fans have witnessed a downturn with this team for a few years . Something wasn't right . I bet a majority of the fans want big changes . The ' powers that be ' might not give a chit what fans want . , I don't know if I can watch another season of Carroll cheerleading back and forth on the sideline anymore . I've seen enough . :irishdrinkers:

 

[keasley45]

Do I think things will change? That all depends on whether Pete will hold Russ accountable. If he does, and Russ doesn't like it, maybe he leaves. If he does, and Russ complies and starts playing the style of ball that has been the only one to bring us success and forego all the BS MVP talk, then he stays. If he goes, we have a new guy under center and a bunch of new picks and potentially new players, then we fortify thr offensive and defensive lines and add a few young guys. Yeah. Inthink that's a pretty big change.

If he stays, we are more who we've been with maybe a smarter Russ running Waldron's offense in year 2 and relying on the run a bit more. If we'd done that this year I think we could have still made the playoffs, so it certainly makes us better.

But is there a chance we waltz into next year in the same fog as this year, without bridging the divide between Russ and Pete / the FO? Yes. But is sure as he'll hope that doesn't happen. If it does... if after watching the team stumble to a sub 500 record in a divided haze of disharmony... then we do need to start over.

 

[scutterhawk]

LTH there hasent been any signs of improvement for 6 years now. How many more years do you want to give the guy? I just dont see what you see in the guy.

And YOU don't have all the answers either Pitt,
I consider Matt Hasselbeck to be an expert on Coaching matters, and he said that it would be a huge mistake if the Seahawks organization got shed of Pete Carroll, so there's an opinion from a PRO who has firsthand knowledge of how Pete is wired as a Head Coach.
I think Jody Allen is drawing from what her brothers relationship was with Pete, his sway with the players, how he turned the Franchise around, and brought home the Lombardi for her brother Paul, & all us fans in Seattle.
:irishdrinkers:

 

[chris98251]

The only personal id be comfortable with being our next coach is Jim Harbaugh. Everything else is too much of a wild card.

So no, I don't think anything will change

Really? Harbaugh?

Personality aside, he's probably the most like Pete coach you could hire as far as philosophies. Run the ball, protect the ball, win with defense.

So I doubt Allen would fire Pete just to hire someone who has very similar philosophies.

I can tell you think, you're not talking Russell into staying another 4-5 years if you hire Harbaugh. In fact, that'd probably seal the deal in Russell's mind that he needs to get the hell out.

He can have a similar approach, but his non coddling of players will be the difference, he is more aggressive at this point in his career, Big Balls Pete has not had that in some time. When he does his timing and play calling strategy is one of the worst in the league and always has been.

 

[pittpnthrs]

LTH there hasent been any signs of improvement for 6 years now. How many more years do you want to give the guy? I just dont see what you see in the guy.

And YOU don't have all the answers either Pitt,
I consider Matt Hasselbeck to be an expert on Coaching matters, and he said that it would be a huge mistake if the Seahawks organization got shed of Pete Carroll, so there's an opinion from a PRO who has firsthand knowledge of how Pete is wired as a Head Coach.
I think Jody Allen is drawing from what her brothers relationship was with Pete, his sway with the players, how he turned the Franchise around, and brought home the Lombardi for her brother Paul, & all us fans in Seattle.
:irishdrinkers:

And what did Hasselbeck detail in the process that Petes performing that has his opinion so set on keeping him? What is Pete doing that is so great that its so obvious to Matt that he should be kept? I think Matt just likes the guy and hates seeing him on the hotseat.

So Jody is drawing from nostalgia. Thats being a horrible owner and business person. Thats the same as saying the Cowboys should have kept Landry because he won Super Bowls at one time, or the Bears keeping Ditka because of 1985, or the Packers keeping McCarthy although they have been to two straight conference finals and have the #1 seed now in the NFC without him. Again, what do you see in Pete Carroll that makes him so attractive to you? The team isnt getting better under him, its getting worse. People need to stop holding onto the past.

 

[olyfan63]

And what did Hasselbeck detail in the process that Petes performing that has his opinion so set on keeping him? What is Pete doing that is so great that its so obvious to Matt that he should be kept? I think Matt just likes the guy and hates seeing him on the hotseat.

So Jody is drawing from nostalgia. Thats being a horrible owner and business person. Thats the same as saying the Cowboys should have kept Landry because he won Super Bowls at one time, or the Bears keeping Ditka because of 1985, or the Packers keeping McCarthy although they have been to two straight conference finals and have the #1 seed now in the NFC without him. Again, what do you see in Pete Carroll that makes him so attractive to you? The team isnt getting better under him, its getting worse. People need to stop holding onto the past.

I'd see it more as Pete gave a fair try to the "Pay the QB elite money to carry the team to the promised land" approach and it didn't work, not with Russell, whose performance for the money isn't carrying the team. Russell is overpaid for the performance he brings. Pete will try to go back to his original model that made it to two SBs, an elite D plus a cheap QB. And he just might succeed.

Russell couldn't carry the team past the Cowboys or Rams in the recent playoffs.

 

[pittpnthrs]

And what did Hasselbeck detail in the process that Petes performing that has his opinion so set on keeping him? What is Pete doing that is so great that its so obvious to Matt that he should be kept? I think Matt just likes the guy and hates seeing him on the hotseat.

So Jody is drawing from nostalgia. Thats being a horrible owner and business person. Thats the same as saying the Cowboys should have kept Landry because he won Super Bowls at one time, or the Bears keeping Ditka because of 1985, or the Packers keeping McCarthy although they have been to two straight conference finals and have the #1 seed now in the NFC without him. Again, what do you see in Pete Carroll that makes him so attractive to you? The team isnt getting better under him, its getting worse. People need to stop holding onto the past.

I'd see it more as Pete gave a fair try to the "Pay the QB elite money to carry the team to the promised land" approach and it didn't work, not with Russell, whose performance for the money isn't carrying the team. Russell is overpaid for the performance he brings. Pete will try to go back to his original model that made it to two SBs, an elite D plus a cheap QB. And he just might succeed.

Russell couldn't carry the team past the Cowboys or Rams in the recent playoffs.

There isnt a QB thats ever played that could carry this team to the promised land with the holes it has. Horrible to mediocre defense, bad offensive line, inconsistent running game, and a head coach thats tied to a philosophy that takes top talent across the board in order for it to succeed. I'd say Wilson has done pretty good considering the circumstances.

 

[kf3339]

The only personal id be comfortable with being our next coach is Jim Harbaugh. Everything else is too much of a wild card.

So no, I don't think anything will change

Really? Harbaugh?

Personality aside, he's probably the most like Pete coach you could hire as far as philosophies. Run the ball, protect the ball, win with defense.

So I doubt Allen would fire Pete just to hire someone who has very similar philosophies.

I can tell you think, you're not talking Russell into staying another 4-5 years if you hire Harbaugh. In fact, that'd probably seal the deal in Russell's mind that he needs to get the hell out.

He can have a similar approach, but his non coddling of players will be the difference, he is more aggressive at this point in his career, Big Balls Pete has not had that in some time. When he does his timing and play calling strategy is one of the worst in the league and always has been.

So very true about PC.

 

[GaiusMarius]

LTH there hasent been any signs of improvement for 6 years now. How many more years do you want to give the guy? I just dont see what you see in the guy.

And YOU don't have all the answers either Pitt,
I consider Matt Hasselbeck to be an expert on Coaching matters, and he said that it would be a huge mistake if the Seahawks organization got shed of Pete Carroll, so there's an opinion from a PRO who has firsthand knowledge of how Pete is wired as a Head Coach.
I think Jody Allen is drawing from what her brothers relationship was with Pete, his sway with the players, how he turned the Franchise around, and brought home the Lombardi for her brother Paul, & all us fans in Seattle.
:irishdrinkers:

All information that is very much out of date.

Why is Hasselbeck an expert on coaching? Because he was a QB? For anyone with a knowledge of football you will know there is a limited correlation between being a QB and smarts on coaching a team. Do other players count then? Players who are Carroll critics? Sherman...Chancellor...Baldwin...Olsen... They all played with Carroll more recently than Hasselbeck. Why are they any less expert?

Or perhaps we should stop with that line of thinking as it leads to nonsense?

Hasselbeck played 1 season with Carroll over a decade ago. Nor could he provide any detail on exactly WHY the Seahawks should retain Carroll.

Why exactly?

Because of amazing draft picks? That's not true. Because of postseason success? Definitely not recently true. How many seasons of disappointment does Carroll get? 10? 15? Or is it because of managing a successful reset/rebuild? Also not true. Because of effective game preparation? Not true as well.

There may be solid reasons for retaining Carroll. I am not saying that they do not exist. But the likes of Hasselbeck have made no ZERO use of them.

 

[WmHBonney]

I would've been happy to see something change from week to week this year. Other than beating up on some really bad teams, nothing changed. There will be no change until ownership forces it.

 

[flv]

I don't see all the major figures returning next year. Why would things be better next year if they did?

 

[irfuben32]

I don't expect major changes. They have the RW injury as cover.

I agree with Pete. I absolutely LOVE a great run game and all of the great Seahawks teams have had one. Pete's mistake was thinking he could cheap out on the offensive line and still run the ball effectively. I think that mainly came from the belief that Tom Cable was this miracle worker who could take athletes and transform them into an unstoppable runblocking force. Many of those players did go on to have decent careers (Mark Glowinski is starting for one of the top rushing attacks in the league). With Seattle they were thrown to the fire too early (they should have been backups at best that early in there careers). That, combined with a rules change that limited there ability to throw themselves at the opponents knees made for some extremely porous offensive lines. Instead of acknowledging that fact and adapting to the team he had, Pete continued to try and run and throw the ball deep which you absolutely cannot do with a trash line. We all saw it. We wanted the O to adjust to a quick passing attack to sustain drives, keep the D off the field and keep Wilson from getting killed. Every so often we would get a glimpse of it and it would work wonderfully. Without fail and especially in the playoffs the offensive would revert to the same predictable inside zone run, play action pass three and outfest we are all sick of.

I don't have much hope of Pete changing his ways. He did start drafting shorter corners who are really good. Maybe he can pick an actual blue chip offensive lineman early in the second round.

 

[nutluck]

Earlier in the season I thought it might happen but now, no I don't think anything of note will change. Only way I see Russ going is if he really is willing to sit out the season and the hawks believe him. Which I don't seeing him do, he is just to competitive. My fear is now everyone stays, there is more drama off season and more conflict going on between Russ and the coaches, which from some quotes this year seems to be the case already and I am afraid it will be worse next year.

 

[hawkfan68]

Found this on seahawkswire.com - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...ilson-after-seasons-end/ar-AASAHEo?li=BBnbfcL

Looks like the Seahawks aren't planning to trade Wilson this offseason but the article mentioned that Waldron could be in danger of being let go.

 

[GeekHawk]

Does anybody truly feel that Russ is going to leave, or Pete will be dismissed, or Norton will be fired, etc,,,,? I dont. Not next year anyways. Maybe the year after.

Nope i don't think anything is going to change.

I think the hawks could have a14-3 season and you will still say Pete needs to be fired. Thats just the way it is.



LTH

LTH there hasent been any signs of improvement for 6 years now. How many more years do you want to give the guy? I just dont see what you see in the guy.

Dude. We're in the first year of an all-new-to-us offense, and the few times we've ran it correctly we made the other team look inept. Do you think next year we won't be better at this new-to-us offensive scheme? :roll:

 

[Jville]

A big thing to recall and repeat is that Pete Carroll characterized the 2021 off season as the worst off season they have been thru.

That will change.

 

[NJlargent]

Found this on seahawkswire.com - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...ilson-after-seasons-end/ar-AASAHEo?li=BBnbfcL

Looks like the Seahawks aren't planning to trade Wilson this offseason but the article mentioned that Waldron could be in danger of being let go.

That would be typical. Fire the OC. Clearly the OC is the problem.

 

[Jville]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/BradyHenderson/status/1480282526018985987[/tweet]

........................................ so yea. This has been a year of lessons. We are definitely going to see change. :2thumbs:

 

[pittpnthrs]

Does anybody truly feel that Russ is going to leave, or Pete will be dismissed, or Norton will be fired, etc,,,,? I dont. Not next year anyways. Maybe the year after.

Nope i don't think anything is going to change.

I think the hawks could have a14-3 season and you will still say Pete needs to be fired. Thats just the way it is.



LTH

LTH there hasent been any signs of improvement for 6 years now. How many more years do you want to give the guy? I just dont see what you see in the guy.

Dude. We're in the first year of an all-new-to-us offense, and the few times we've ran it correctly we made the other team look inept. Do you think next year we won't be better at this new-to-us offensive scheme? :roll:

You mean the offense that Carroll wont allow the team to run? Seriously man, have you watched this season? After the 1st game that new offense was put on the shelf.