Do not pay Geno 30 million so we can by 9-8 or 8-9 for the next three years.

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Geno is a good click bait story but he isn’t the answer … not long term I say franchise him draft a qb who can learn from him and if he plays bad replace him with whatever rookie we get …
Franchising Geno would be a huge mistake because 100% of his 2023 salary has to be accounted for in the team's 2023 salary cap. The projected franchise tag salary for a QB in 2023 is $31.5M.

It would cripple the team from signing and extending other players that it desperately needs.
 

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This ^
We just got done hearing for years how one guy getting a big percentage of the cap hurts the rest of team etc.
And that was a guy who WON, a lot. Geno hasn't won his entire career.
 

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i guess i just see some of those throws as being pretty special at times. Geno may very well be better next year, your O line most certainly will be with those rookies having a year under their belts.
Geno is literally the house money that lets you draft for defense now and be relevant now, hoping to splash the draft again into something special. I’m a Niners fan, so ya, go with Drew Lock.
 

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Franchising Geno would be a huge mistake because 100% of his 2023 salary has to be accounted for in the team's 2023 salary cap. The projected franchise tag salary for a QB in 2023 is $31.5M.

It would cripple the team from signing and extending other players that it desperately needs.
Letting him walk for a 3rd rd comp pick at best would be a huge mistake.

The tag would be used for negotiation. If his price is too high, you can then move him to another team for a 1st rd pick, + more.

Tagging him is the way to go.

Either a longterm deal is worked out, or you get a lot of draft capital in return. Win-win.

Geno will have suitors. The Jets probably want him bad.

The salary cap is simply accounting. Money can always be moved around. Calling $30M of a $230M cap "Crippling" is incredibly hyperbolic.
 

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Posts like this just make me laugh and shrug my shoulders. He threw a pick, cut him. Silly post.

I don't see it that way. I really think it's not just "[h]e threw a pick, cut him."

I see it more like repeating the nonsense propagated by talk-radio mediots and talking-head TV mediots. Despite gridiron football being a team sport with dozens of starting players (11 on offense, 11 on defense, three specialists, and the other special-teams starters that aren't in the offensive or defensive starting lineups) and active rosters of 53 players, they use the results of team competitions to make judgments about the character of individual players. The 2022 Seahawks, widely expected to be one of the worst teams in the league, have instead been in playoff contention for significant parts of the season and are going to end up in the middle of the league. Part of this has been Smith's performance, easily in the top ten QBs in the league, and roughly in the middle of that group (let's say fifth-to-seveth-best).

But for talk-radio mediots and their talking-head brethren on TV, the Seahawks are going to end up "only" around .500 because Geno Smith doesn't have magic QB pixie dust. According to those mediots, a team that doesn't win 12 or more games must have a QB who just isn't a "winner" or doesn't have the "'it' factor." Never mind the quality of the rest of the team. It's gotta be the lack of magic powers in the quarterback that's keeping the Seahawks from running roughshod over the rest of the league :rolleyes:.

What's dangerous about this is that despite having a quality QB "in the hand," many of the people influenced by these mediots prefer to use draft picks on college QBs "in the bush." Never mind that the success rate of even QBs selected in the first round is not that good. The secret to winning wouldn't be to fix the actual identifiable weak points in the team, like getting a better defensive line and adding a quality linebacker. No, the way to win is to use draft picks in hopes of getting a QB with magic powers that will somehow transform a middle-of-the-pack team with serious issues on defense into a title contender.

Despite all the talk during the last offseason that this next offseason would have a really strong QB draft class, the QB prospects who have gotten the most attention all have some major weaknesses.

Because many of the people on talk radio and talking about football on TV are incapable of serious analysis, they instead invent narratives like you'd find in a movie, where a single player's will and what I'm calling "magic powers" can drag a team to a title. Call it the "'it' factor" if you prefer, or call it "being a 'winner'." The closest we've ever gotten to seeing something like that all-too-frequent narrative in the NFL was in the aughts, when a few Colts teams that were basically "Peyton Manning and some guys" got to the playoffs and lost there. But instead of correctly recognizing the utter greatness of the QB that helped get those teams into the playoffs despite their glaring weaknesses, mediots questioned even Manning's character because those weak-ass Colts teams lost in the playoffs to more well-rounded teams.

Most of the people paid to analyze sports in the media do it that way (even some who are capable of better analysis, because this is just "how it's done" now, and getting paid well is more important than improving the quality of analysis - I can't honestly say with 100% certainty that I wouldn't do the same thing if given the opportunity, despite "scientist" being a huge part of my identity), and we all know that if something is repeated enough in the media, many people will come to believe it. The result is that this is how many fans now understand football. Other sports too, but we're talking about the Seahawks, and therefore the NFL, here.

All that said, I'm not advocating signing Smith at any price. I suspect Schneider has a decent idea now, and will have a better idea by the time negotiations with Smith's agent happen, of what kind of contract he can give Smith and still be able to build a competitive-for-titles team around him. If somebody else is willing to offer Smith something outside the range of what Schneider thinks the Seahawks can offer, then Smith will end up playing elsewhere. It might be another team that just signs him, or as Fade suggests, it might be a team that trades for him after he's been tagged or a team that coughs up the two first-round picks required to sign a player on whom the non-exclusive franchise tag has been placed.
 
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You have 3 options for your starting QB.
1. Someone who has proven they can play in the nfl at a standard worthy of a starter, that will require at least $30m p.a.
2. Someone who has only played at back up level in the hope they will play better. Worked this year with Geno, didn't work for the panthers.(At the start of the season I would class Mayfield as marginal for starter standard)
3. Draft a rookie and hope they adapt to the NFL. Also a big risk the Zach Wilsons of this world are far more common than the Joe Burrows.

Option 1, sign Geno is by far the safest option but the cap hit restricts who you can have in other positions. I agree with Lager at some point you decide the cap hit is such you need to take a punt on Locke or a rookie.

I am not convinced investing a top 3 pick in a QB is worth it the success rate does not appear much better than drafting later in round 1, though that might just be that it is much harder to shine when the rest of the team is so bad they only managed about 3 wins the previous year. Pete and John know far more than me so I will trust them to do what's best.
 
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