Detroit Tigers @ Seattle Mariners Aug 6-8...

[Threedee]

My one and only time in Detroit was just over 20 years ago I had memories of the Hockeytown Cafe which is one of the more impressive sports bars I have been to it is across the street from Comerica Park I will also add Detroit pizza is very underrated it’s a good mid point between NY and Chicago styles, crust is thicker than NY and a shit ton of cheese

I thought Chicago was the intermediate style, because it's less thick and cheesy than Detroit?

 

[Threedee]

*snotty voice* Are the Mariners above .500, yes or no

What is their record against Detroit? I think that is the argument he is making.

 

[Crizilla]

Discussion is the entire purpose of the board. Someone of the "worst offense in baseball, worst manager in baseball" persuasion when the team is above .500, or looking to find something wrong in a near-shutout sweep of the 2024 Mets, can be reasonably expected to get some elbow-jabbing, as long as certain lines aren't crossed.

Don't worry, I won't keep at this forever. Only so much I can do.

Another red herring. What does winning the game against the Mets have anything to do with how they handled Julio? Did you see Julios 5th strikeout that night? Why is he even up there after striking out 4 times previous. He looked so uncomfortable the swing the limp and everything. Oh cool he got 2 hits today WHO CARES he got hurt again. Hopefully not serious. Do you know about high ankle sprains?

 

[Chapow]

That was Woo's game. It's August and they are still babying starters. Another loss on the coaches.

Sure, unless they had left Woo in and he blew the whopping 2 run lead. Then it would have been Scott's fault for not pulling Woo when he should have.
But one things for sure. Definitely not Garcia's fault for not being able to get 3 outs without giving up 2 runs (aka his job).

Julio injury apparently not serious. M's are 2-10 against the Angels and Tigers this year. That's on management.

How'd they do against AZ, ATL, SD, Philly, and the Mets? Is that on management too?

 

[Crizilla]

What is their record against Detroit? I think that is the argument he is making.

A few posters respond with nothing but straw mans and red herrings, thus talking baseball doesn't even happen. I am one of many who think this team is lacking coaching. Why is it we can scold the Seahawks and Kraken? I've never seen the forum that pissed the past few years here. Seahawks defense has been atrocious. They can clean house bring in new people talk about the game etc etc but with the Mariners that's not ok? We can't question anything it's just shut up and watch the team win 1 division title in 25 years everything is cool though they are above .500 right now!! Yippee

 

[Crizilla]

Sure, unless they had left Woo in and he blew the whopping 2 run lead. Then it would have been Scott's fault for not pulling Woo when he should have.
But one things for sure. Definitely not Garcia's fault for not being able to get 3 outs without giving up 2 runs (aka his job).



How'd they do against AZ, ATL, SD, Philly, and the Mets? Is that on management too?

"Scott would get the blame if Woo was left in and he gave up the runs". No, at least not from me. Remember, a skippers job is to not lose the team a bunch of games. He's going to lose some games. Not every move works. But if your moves are biting you in the end too often then you'll only win about 54% of your games and miss the playoffs. You can't baby your starters mid August. Pitching is the strength of the team.

 

[Chapow]

"Scott would get the blame if Woo was left in and he gave up the runs". No, at least not from me.Remember, a skippers job is to not lose the team a bunch of games. He's going to lose some games. Not every move works. But if your moves are biting you in the end too often then you'll only win about 54% of your games and miss the playoffs. You can't baby your starters mid August. Pitching is the strength of the team.

All a manager can do is try to make the best decisions he can with the information he has and the players he has to work with. Woo is still a very young starting pitcher, only in his second season. He's been battling nagging injuries on and off all season. There are many, many other factors that they take into consideration besides just pitch count.

 

[Crizilla]

All a manager can do is try to make the best decisions he can with the information he has and the players he has to work with. Woo is still a very young starting pitcher, only in his second season. He's been battling nagging injuries on and off all season. There are many, many other factors that they take into consideration besides just pitch count.

100% agree with you if it's earlier in the year. But...

Josh Beckett in his 2nd season threw 107 pitches in World Series game 6, same age as Woo.
They baby Woo but play Julio as if he's 100%. It doesn't make cent. They're losing games. The same kinds of games. For years. Hello? They don't have much time either who's going to pay Woo after this season? One of these pitchers is going to get a mega deal the Ms won't be able to afford all of them. That's why I thought it was a good idea to trade one for a legit bat. They have to pay Cal too. My fear is this entire rotation is going to go to waste because of bad offensive management and coaching (and lack of spending). This team would be fine with a middle of the pack offense but they're dead last. Pulling woo therr if they were up 4-0 or 5-0 etc makes sense but. That was Woos game he's been your best pitcher it's mid August keep your best players on the field. Most of these pitchers will probably need tommy john at some point anyway. The last few days we have seen some awful managing ...it's all backfiring. A good skipper loses you only 5-10 games a year a bad one loses you 15-20.

 

[DJrmb]

Woo hasn't been a starter for very long. That's why they're cautious about his innings. He wasn't even a starter in college. Last year was the most innings he'd ever pitched in his entire career pitching, and he started the year off on the IL this year (maybe because of his innings last year). It's not that hard to understand unless you make it.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

Ive come to grips with the fact that it wont solve most of our problems.. but Im ok with letting Scott go now.

I want him away from my team.. he smells like a loser.

 

[Vesuve]

The 'Stros will win the division.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

The 'Stros will win the division.

Of course they will. Do you really think the joke franchise of MLB was going to overtake one of the most successful franchises of the last decade?

Stanton is a smart guy, he makes a ton of money, fans show up to games, the team wins about 85-90 games, Mariners either barely make or miss the playoffs, ownership and the front office sell the fans on how close they were, and then we do it all over again.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

A few posters respond with nothing but straw mans and red herrings, thus talking baseball doesn't even happen. I am one of many who think this team is lacking coaching. Why is it we can scold the Seahawks and Kraken? I've never seen the forum that pissed the past few years here. Seahawks defense has been atrocious. They can clean house bring in new people talk about the game etc etc but with the Mariners that's not ok? We can't question anything it's just shut up and watch the team win 1 division title in 25 years everything is cool though they are above .500 right now!! Yippee

Just because you say it's a straw man and a red herring doesn't mean it is.

You don't think it's "lacking coaching", you think it's the worst coaching in baseball. Your own words. On a plus .500 team. That's what we're rolling our eyes at. Nobody thinks this team is perfect or couldn't stand improvement or that we can't question "anything". THAT is the straw man here, and it's of your making.

When someone manages above .500 and a playoff appearance, you give them the benefit of a doubt for a while, instead of waiting one more season and then launching into undisguised hyperbole because you want him to yell at his players more.

 

[Crizilla]

Aaaaand the same exact thing happens again today. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[Chapow]

Once again the offense does next to nothing, and once again our best relievers can't protect a miniscule lead in the 8th/9th.

When your only chance to win is if your starter throws a complete game shutout, the problem is definitely the manager.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

Heads need to start rolling, this is beyond embarrassing

 

[Hawkinaz]

I thought Chicago was the intermediate style, because it's less thick and cheesy than Detroit?

IMO the Detroit style crust wasn’t as thick as Chicago but definitely had more cheese

 

[Hawkinaz]

Baseball is a funny sport certain teams will play great against some other teams and lose to others you would think they should beat but don’t. The Mariner teams from the mid-late 90s always had problems with Oakland that on paper should beat easily but didn’t


Against the Mets the Mariners were looking like the ‘27 Yankees but against what appears to be an inferior team get swept. I do think Servais would be a good manager for an experienced team, Mariners need more of a motivator and who stresses fundamentals

 

[IndyHawk]

Baseball is a funny sport certain teams will play great against some other teams and lose to others you would think they should beat but don’t. The Mariner teams from the mid-late 90s always had problems with Oakland that on paper should beat easily but didn’t


Against the Mets the Mariners were looking like the ‘27 Yankees but against what appears to be an inferior team get swept. I do think Servais would be a good manager for an experienced team, Mariners need more of a motivator and who stresses fundamentals

Like who?
The Cubs fired a guy that wasn't bad but they wanted Greg Counsell.
Anyone see how great the Cubs are doing?
The Ms are better with less talent hitting wise, I just don't get how Scott
is supposed to make guys hit or Pitch good.
It seems to me like it's on the players themselves, they are pros who should
know how to hit a baseball right?
One run on one hit isn't getting it done.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

I'll probably get blasted for this but I wouldn't be upset if this team didn't win a game again this season. Sometimes for something to get good it needs to get bad. If we continue at this pace the stadium will be full again next season.