Dan Wilson new manager

[Chapow]

You wouldn't need to go through the entire hiring process with Wilson since he's been with the team for so long already. Same with Edgar. These guys were already with the team, just not in the dugout. This may have been an idea for awhile and were just waiting for the green light. I don't absolutely love it but with Edgar by his side it makes sense.

Honestly, I'm pretty shocked you don't hate this move. Haven't you been saying this team needs a "real manager" for at least a couple years now? Dan Wilson is a guy that was a good catcher 20 years ago, but has zero experience as a coach or a manager, and hasn't played in 2 decades. He's about as far from a "real manager" as you could get.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Here's my very optimistic take. Wilson is a very well known and loved baseball player for Seattle. He doesn't take this job unless he is super confident that he can win. Otherwise he is sacrificing the good will he has built with the fans. So maybe he is the shit.

Tom Osborne was a Nebraska legend, and put it on himself to run the Nebraska athletic department. He failed to get Nebraska back to a national power. There are other examples.

I only hope Wilson has learned from the Tom Osborne's of history. Then again maybe he's hard up for money. Who knows.

 

[MORGULON]

Does MLB have any type of Rooney rule? I'm not advocating for it , I think teams worth Billions of

Moneyball, baby. Best sports film (one of) because even people who weren't baseball fans liked it.
If they aren't going to spend ok great then find guys who make contact and get on base. Have starters go deeper into games, too. A's had 3 starters go 200IP that year. (Were pitchers on juice? Clemens was for sure). I know pitchers across the league don't go deeper into games anymore but I don't care, when a pitcher is dealing and he's under 100 pitches leave the dude in the game.

Yes. You can't have stretches where not one player can get on base , let alone manufacturer runs. They have enough talent to be in a better position. The best pitching in MLB.

No excuse for failing year after year. They gave Servais a long time although I don't place all of it on him. This is a poorly ran organization.

 

[Chapow]

Yes. You can't have stretches where not one player can get on base , let alone manufacturer runs. They have enough talent to be in a better position. The best pitching in MLB.

No excuse for failing year after year. They gave Servais a long time although I don't place all of it on him. This is a poorly ran organization.

They won 90 games, 90 games, and 88 games the past 3 seasons. I know that's not among the top teams in MLB, but it's not far off. If you can improve that just a little bit, you're 100% a playoff team, and likely a division winner.

I get that everyone hated the alarming number of K's last season, but that offense also scored the 12th most runs in baseball. That should be good enough if you have a top pitching staff. It would definitely be good enough if you could improve that just a little bit.

Instead of improving the offense by picking up 1 or 2 solid bats, Dipoto got rid of Teo, Geno, and Kelenic, and replaced those guys with Garver, Polanco, Haniger, and Urias. Teo and Geno were our 2 most productive players not named Julio. Those moves are 100% on Dipoto.

This team was a lot closer after the past 2 seasons than many seem to realize. All Dipoto needed to do was add a solid bat or 2 and not get rid of some of our most productive players. That's it. But instead of doing that, he got rid of 3 of our most productive hitters and replaced them with a bag of dicks.

This heinously bad offense, this season, is 100% on Dipoto. He dismantled an offense that was close to top 10 in runs scored, and replaced it with arguably the worst offense in MLB. No manager is going to be successful if that is what they are given to work with. Servais got sabotaged by his own GM, and now he's being scapegoated by that same GM.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine moving on from Servais (although this mess is clearly not his fault). But there is no way in hell Dipoto should be allowed to keep his job at this point. Not after he botched this past off season as badly as he did.

 

[Crizilla]

Honestly, I'm pretty shocked you don't hate this move. Haven't you been saying this team needs a "real manager" for at least a couple years now? Dan Wilson is a guy that was a good catcher 20 years ago, but has zero experience as a coach or a manager, and hasn't played in 2 decades. He's about as far from a "real manager" as you could get.

Dan is old school. Edgar will be there. I don't hate or love it. It's too early to say anything. I didn't start losing patience with Servais and DeHart until after the end of last season. (And the Robbie Ray debacle). It feels like to me could be wrong but it feels like Dan was waiting for a chance. Also I don't know what managers want to come here. Remember Hargrove? Dude resigned with a winning record.

Brant Brown who was fired earlier in the year said the team wasn't open to listening to his ideas/philosophy. Wow.

 

[Chapow]

Dan is old school. Edgar will be there. I don't hate or love it. It's too early to say anything. I didn't start losing patience with Servais and DeHart until after the end of last season. (And the Robbie Ray debacle). It feels like to me could be wrong but it feels like Dan was waiting for a chance. Also I don't know what managers want to come here. Remember Hargrove? Dude resigned with a winning record.

I can't imagine why any good manager would want to come here with this owner and this GM, but you never know unless you give it a shot. It appears the M's didn't even give it a shot. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[JustTheTip]

Seems like this.

 

[hawkfan68]

They won 90 games, 90 games, and 88 games the past 3 seasons. I know that's not among the top teams in MLB, but it's not far off. If you can improve that just a little bit, you're 100% a playoff team, and likely a division winner.

I get that everyone hated the alarming number of K's last season, but that offense also scored the 12th most runs in baseball. That should be good enough if you have a top pitching staff. It would definitely be good enough if you could improve that just a little bit.

Instead of improving the offense by picking up 1 or 2 solid bats, Dipoto got rid of Teo, Geno, and Kelenic, and replaced those guys with Garver, Polanco, Haniger, and Urias. Teo and Geno were our 2 most productive players not named Julio. Those moves are 100% on Dipoto.

This team was a lot closer after the past 2 seasons than many seem to realize. All Dipoto needed to do was add a solid bat or 2 and not get rid of some of our most productive players. That's it. But instead of doing that, he got rid of 3 of our most productive hitters and replaced them with a bag of dicks.

This heinously bad offense, this season, is 100% on Dipoto. He dismantled an offense that was close to top 10 in runs scored, and replaced it with arguably the worst offense in MLB. No manager is going to be successful if that is what they are given to work with. Servais got sabotaged by his own GM, and now he's being scapegoated by that same GM.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine moving on from Servais (although this mess is clearly not his fault). But there is no way in hell Dipoto should be allowed to keep his job at this point. Not after he botched this past off season as badly as he did.

Spot on. I fully agree with the above post. Dipoto needed to be shown the pink slip too. Hopefully he is gone soon too.

 

[CPHawk]

Dan and Edgar will be in the dugout the rest of the year. I'm guessing theres not enough time to turn it around this season with 30 something games left and the fact Rojas somehow still plays everyday, but Dan and Edgar in the dugout sounds really good.

If they go 18-12, things could be interesting. Which shouldn’t be that much of a stretch to achieve, given the schedule we have to finish the year. If we go .500, time to clean house from top to bottom

 

[Crizilla]

Jeff Pasan: "Some players were never on board with Servais, issues in the club house were never resolved".

There was also a reddit post where they broke down every move Wilson made last night. Very interesting.

Seems like this.

Well, they have the worst offense since MLB moved to the 162 game schedule. I'm on board to milk that cow all day.... we want an offense and situational hitting again.

 

[cymatica]

Seems like this.

I need to make that a T-shirt

 

[Hawk-Lock]

If they go 18-12, things could be interesting. Which shouldn’t be that much of a stretch to achieve, given the schedule we have to finish the year. If we go .500, time to clean house from top to bottom

The season is over and has been for quite some time. The chances of us catching the Astros are the same odds as Texas catching us in the standings. We are a .500 team, and we honestly look like a .500 team.

 

[Hawkinaz]

Moneyball, baby. Best sports film (one of) because even people who weren't baseball fans liked it.
If they aren't going to spend ok great then find guys who make contact and get on base. Have starters go deeper into games, too. A's had 3 starters go 200IP that year. (Were pitchers on juice? Clemens was for sure). I know pitchers across the league don't go deeper into games anymore but I don't care, when a pitcher is dealing and he's under 100 pitches leave the dude in the game.

The biggest take I got from Moneyball was don’t draft high school players but mature college players that will make it to the majors in as little time as possible once their initial contracts expire they will leave and it will be next man up

 

[Chapow]

If they go 18-12, things could be interesting. Which shouldn’t be that much of a stretch to achieve, given the schedule we have to finish the year. If we go .500, time to clean house from top to bottom

18 more wins gets us to 83 wins. 83 wins isn't close to making the playoffs in the AL. We won 88 games last season and missed the playoffs. We won 90 games 3 years ago and missed the playoffs. 83 wins isn't going to cut it. Not even close.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So far so good. Plays small ball, actually leaves the starters in if they're on a roll. Imagine that.

 

[CPHawk]

Hope I don’t jinx them. But they are up 5-1. Chance of being 3-1 under Wilson.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

So far so good. Plays small ball, actually leaves the starters in if they're on a roll. Imagine that.

I mean are we going off of Woo really? Woo had went into the 7th inning with Servais for 4 straight starts. So that made zero sense. His batting lineup has been the same as Servais.

Miller has went deep with Servais too.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm glad they made a change. It has been time for a while now. Not saying Servais sucked, but his message clearly wasn't getting thru. His decisions with pitching were laughable, often.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

It doesnt matter now. Its what it is. Servais>Lou and ill stand on that. Lou was rated bottom 5 manager all time for the Ms by non biased analyst. Per them and reports. Lou blew 1997. He blew 2000 and 2001 by BP decisions.

Sounds familiar. The difference is one had 4 HOF players compared to 0 for one. Also, the stats linked below.

Same fans dissing servais, would have hated Lou now as well. Lou got love for 1995 and rightfully so. I love Lou. It doesnt mean he wasnt over rated for us.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

A good MLB manager is maybe worth 1 or 2 WAR at best. Of all the major sports, MLB manager has the least impact on the team. They basically set a lineup and manage a bullpen. I've always said you can basically put a computer in the dugout nowadays with how everything has moved to analytics.