Colin kaepernick gets contract extension

[Marvin49]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

A couple things....

1) He actually lowered his first year terms and took a small signing bonus which results in him only counting about 3 mil toward the cap this year which makes it easier to try to sign guys like Crabtree, Iupati, Boone, etc.

2) If he doesn't hit those De-escalators, even though its still a lot of money, its actually a below market deal. That makes it easier to resign players and also is banking on himself to either become an all-pro or win a SB.

3) He locked himself up for seven full years at a bit below market rate NOW. If the cap expands as expected and he pans out, in years 4, 5, and 6 he'll be grossly underpaid.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin, any time you spend here trying to convince these guys that Kaepernick and Harbaugh aren't Hitler and Stalin themselves is falling on deaf ears. They don't want to hear it or believe it. They will constantly feed themselves lies or misrepresentations that supports their agenda, never mind any weight given to having an impartial view on things. Can it be that both the 49ers and Seahawks are run by great coaches and great people? That both Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are great promising quarterbacks and good people? No because, the majority of people here aren't just satisfied with winning, they thirst to find happiness in other peoples misfortune or a construed sense that XYZ isn't as successful as them. They work their lousy jobs and come on here to feed off of "49er trolls" like its their god given obligation. Even so much, that they falsely accuse anyone not sharing their view point as a troll for the rival teams. You don't agree with me? F you, you are a 49ers troll. They get satisfaction out of being so disconnected from reality that I suspect is just a shield to replace something missing in their own life.

LOL.

I know. I just like pointing it out even though most of them would never admit it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Just like how you can't admit that Krapsondick makes you nervous as a Niner fan, at least when it counts in the big games.

 

[Marvin49]

No, its a simple question about hypocrisy.

So .... you chose to side tracked this thread with mud slinging. We do have a forum titled [ POLITICS, WAR & RELIGION FORUM ] specificallly for that activity.

Your certainly way off topic here.

Dude.

I asked you a simple question that you don't want to answer. That isn't mud-slinging.

Let me try it again.

If Wilson signed the exact same contract, would you say Wilson or his agents are idiots or would you say that Wilson is a hero who took less to help the team?

Dude

Will not happen.

Different Culture. Different Program.

Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks will make a stronger mutual commitment than that.

LOL.

Dodge.

I get it. You won't answer the question. The 49ers are an evil organization who intend to screw their players. The Seahawks FO and QB walk on water and are pictures of all we want people to be.

Yes, the above is hyperbole. My point is that you view everything through a lens that prevents you from seeing anything clearly in this conversation.

I've read for months that there are people here who think that Wilson will sign a team friendly deal to help the team. He very well might and appears to be just the sort of individual who might do that.

However, when a player you don't like (and I say you in general, not JUST you) on another team does exactly what they hope Wilson would do, the response here is that the 49ers screwed him, his agent is an idiot, and he clearly didn't know what he was signing. That's the response regardless of the fact that he stated several months ago that he wanted to sign a team friendly deal, despite the fact that he stated it again in his press conference and when asked how it was team friendly sited the structure specifically, and despite the fact the sources are reporting this was what he wanted.

Instead, all we see here is "that's just 49ers spin".

I know its hard to imagine, but most 49ers players enjoy being 49ers. They like it here. I know that doesn't fit your narrative, but its true.

 

[Marvin49]

Just like how you can't admit that Krapsondick makes you nervous as a Niner fan, at least when it counts in the big games.

...because that has something to do with the conversation. LOL.

He's 4-2 in the playoffs. I think that counts as "big games". He's 3-0 on the road in the playoffs. Montana only ever won once. Young never did.

His first playoff loss came in the SB where he put up his first 300 yard game an scored more points than any team had ever scored and lost the game...in his 10th NFL start. That loss was on the defense.

His second loss was to Seattle IN Seattle in one of the best knock down drag out fights I've ever seen against the best secondary in the NFL...and was still in it right there at the end before a great play was made by Richard Sherman.


So no, he doesn't make me nervous.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, he should make you nervous. But hey, he's your quarterback, I totally get that you're gonna' have his back. I guess I just can't imagine the Hawks w/a guy like that. And we'd be right where the Niners are, wondering what the hell happened, and why we don't have a title w/this quarterback.

 

[Fudwamper]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

A couple things....

1) He actually lowered his first year terms and took a small signing bonus which results in him only counting about 3 mil toward the cap this year which makes it easier to try to sign guys like Crabtree, Iupati, Boone, etc.

2) If he doesn't hit those De-escalators, even though its still a lot of money, its actually a below market deal. That makes it easier to resign players and also is banking on himself to either become an all-pro or win a SB.

3) He locked himself up for seven full years at a bit below market rate NOW. If the cap expands as expected and he pans out, in years 4, 5, and 6 he'll be grossly underpaid.

You do realize that nothing you wrote really answered any question.

He could have signed a normal/standard contract with good guaranteed money and base salary and had the same cap hit/take. I don't think he signed below market, I think he got market money but he just signed a really dumb contract. Again he did not lock himself up at all. He has 3 years with 4 years of we can hatchet your contract at anytime. He is at the whim of the organization. Like I posted above bad contract by his agent. Did his customer no good. I feel sorry for Kap.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Marvin, any time you spend here trying to convince these guys that Kaepernick and Harbaugh aren't Hitler and Stalin themselves is falling on deaf ears. They don't want to hear it or believe it. They will constantly feed themselves lies or misrepresentations that supports their agenda, never mind any weight given to having an impartial view on things. Can it be that both the 49ers and Seahawks are run by great coaches and great people? That both Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are great promising quarterbacks and good people? No because, the majority of people here aren't just satisfied with winning, they thirst to find happiness in other peoples misfortune or a construed sense that XYZ isn't as successful as them. They work their lousy jobs and come on here to feed off of "49er trolls" like its their god given obligation. Even so much, that they falsely accuse anyone not sharing their view point as a troll for the rival teams. You don't agree with me? F you, you are a 49ers troll. They get satisfaction out of being so disconnected from reality that I suspect is just a shield to replace something missing in their own life.

LOL.

I know. I just like pointing it out even though most of them would never admit it.

Hey Marvin.. go ahead and keep playing along with your imaginary friend. I can assure you that your stay is as comfortable.

You have nothing to really point out here because you have worn out the readability of your material. All your posts remind me of an audio book titled "Building the Ford Big Block" that was narrated by Stephen Hawking.

 

[Marvin49]

I don't see how his signing helps the team resign players anymore than a normal signing. What am I missing. The only thing about this signing is the unusual descalators, having to pay for injury protection for the niners organization, and 4 years worth of you can cut me options. All those things are good for the organization after he is gone not while he is there. I have to say I feel sorry for the guy, it looks like his agent did a poor job of getting him guaranteed money and structuring it so it helps him win while he is with the team.

A couple things....

1) He actually lowered his first year terms and took a small signing bonus which results in him only counting about 3 mil toward the cap this year which makes it easier to try to sign guys like Crabtree, Iupati, Boone, etc.

2) If he doesn't hit those De-escalators, even though its still a lot of money, its actually a below market deal. That makes it easier to resign players and also is banking on himself to either become an all-pro or win a SB.

3) He locked himself up for seven full years at a bit below market rate NOW. If the cap expands as expected and he pans out, in years 4, 5, and 6 he'll be grossly underpaid.

You do realize that nothing you wrote really answered any question.

He could have signed a normal/standard contract with good guaranteed money and base salary and had the same cap hit/take. I don't think he signed below market, I think he got market money but he just signed a really dumb contract. Again he did not lock himself up at all. He has 3 years with 4 years of we can hatchet your contract at anytime. He is at the whim of the organization. Like I posted above bad contract by his agent. Did his customer no good. I feel sorry for Kap.

LOL.

Well, the 49ers and Colin Kaepernick disagree with you. Its all good tho.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin, any time you spend here trying to convince these guys that Kaepernick and Harbaugh aren't Hitler and Stalin themselves is falling on deaf ears. They don't want to hear it or believe it. They will constantly feed themselves lies or misrepresentations that supports their agenda, never mind any weight given to having an impartial view on things. Can it be that both the 49ers and Seahawks are run by great coaches and great people? That both Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick are great promising quarterbacks and good people? No because, the majority of people here aren't just satisfied with winning, they thirst to find happiness in other peoples misfortune or a construed sense that XYZ isn't as successful as them. They work their lousy jobs and come on here to feed off of "49er trolls" like its their god given obligation. Even so much, that they falsely accuse anyone not sharing their view point as a troll for the rival teams. You don't agree with me? F you, you are a 49ers troll. They get satisfaction out of being so disconnected from reality that I suspect is just a shield to replace something missing in their own life.

LOL.

I know. I just like pointing it out even though most of them would never admit it.

Hey Marvin.. go ahead and keep playing along with your imaginary friend. I can assure you that your stay is as comfortable.

You have nothing to really point out here because you have worn out the readability of your material. All your posts remind me of an audio book titled "Building the Ford Big Block" that was narrated by Stephen Hawking.

If you say so Loaf.

I have no idea if he's a Niner fan or a Seahawk fan....all I know is what he said is 100% true.

 

[Jville]

"The Slant" ..... according to Marvin :roll:

 

[DavidSeven]

The deal doesn't help them sign other players. That's all spin. He signed for second tier money because he's a second tier QB (though I put him on the upper end of that tier). The deal has the potential to pay elite money to account for Kap's considerable upside. However, they can't plan around the de-escalators, so that money still has to be left aside. The whole "he did it for the team" stuff is nonsense. The April 1 opt-out provisions do nothing to help their cause as long as Kap is still on the team. This is a "try out" contract for no other reason than that they're not completely sold on him yet. That sentiment shouldn't be that surprising; there's a large contingent of the 49ers fanbase that felt the same way before this deal was ever announced.

If you want to say they structured it in a similar way to their LB deals, then that says it all right there. Linebackers are fungible to some degree. Elite quarterbacks are not. They'd be laughed out of the room if they tried to get a young Joe Montana or Peyton Manning to agree to those clauses.

 

[loafoftatupu]

I think KaeperFail is just grand. He has a Super strong arm and such a broad range of skills. He seems really smart too, especially when he talks. He is obviously a cerebral guy. When watching the WSJ interview he said he wanted to bring the "Hip Hop" look to the QB position to prove that tatted up guys are just like everyone else and to make a fashion statement. That is nothing short of Genius. :shock:

The KaeperTract is the most perfect thing that could happen for both the Niners and KaeperTat. Now that the Niner Public Relations Committee has spoken, I totally understand that KaeperBust gets rich, the Niners don't have to pay a penny for him and that the KaeperDeal will not have any impact to the Niner salary situation ever. In fact, according to the Niner PR group, after signing the KaeperTract the Niners even have MORE salary to work with.

 

[byau]

Really? If Wilson signed a deal this friendly to the Seahawks, what would you say?

What do you think this is ....... a fantasy forum?

Interesting question, because if you check out any page of conversations and you'll find a lot of "fantasy forum" type posts. What if this? What if that? What do you think will happen? etc..etc. All I see on this forum, especially in the offseason, is reminiscing about the past and putting guesses out there on the future "What if? What if?"

Regarding Marvin49's question: I not only see nothing wrong with this "assumption", I think it is a valid question. And I agree: If the exact same story came out but you swapped Kap's name for Wilson's, the reaction here would be a lot different. And the opposite is likely true if you are on the 49ers forum - praising Kap for his selflessness, and if the names were swapped they'd be bagging on Wilson too.

I'm guessing Marvin49 is just saying when you consider this likelihood, maybe just maybe it's possible Kap didn't go into this making a mistake, rather he actually did this to help the 49ers organization help build the team so he can win

You don't think that's a valid way to support his point?

 

[loafoftatupu]

I have no idea if he's a Niner fan or a Seahawk fan....all I know is what he said is 100% true.

That's never mattered and it isn't true anyways. The teams get to the same point in different ways and have entirely different views on drafting. They are however both capable FO and do things their own way. We know this and the sensitivity to hearing otherwise is ridiculous. Quit being a pussy about it. If you don't like it, leave. You have a DenialZone account, go find all the accurate and "fair" talk about the Seahawks there, then explain to me why anyone should consider anything you have to say.

Just think, your imaginary friend is a nothing more than a dirtbag. A pillar of support.

 

[Marvin49]

Really? If Wilson signed a deal this friendly to the Seahawks, what would you say?

What do you think this is ....... a fantasy forum?

Interesting question, because if you check out any page of conversations and you'll find a lot of "fantasy forum" type posts. What if this? What if that? What do you think will happen? etc..etc. All I see on this forum, especially in the offseason, is reminiscing about the past and putting guesses out there on the future "What if? What if?"

Regarding Marvin49's question: I not only see nothing wrong with this "assumption", I think it is a valid question. And I agree: If the exact same story came out but you swapped Kap's name for Wilson's, the reaction here would be a lot different. And the opposite is likely true if you are on the 49ers forum - praising Kap for his selflessness, and if the names were swapped they'd be bagging on Wilson too.

I'm guessing Marvin49 is just saying when you consider this likelihood, maybe just maybe it's possible Kap didn't go into this making a mistake, rather he actually did this to help the 49ers organization help build the team so he can win

You don't think that's a valid way to support his point?

This.

...and yes, 49er fans would probably bag on Wilsons deal. Nature of the beast.

 

[RolandDeschain]

He's 3-0 on the road in the playoffs. Montana only ever won once. Young never did.

Err...What?

 

[Popeyejones]

I feel sorry for Kap.

LOL at the concern trolling.

Your argument is basically that:

A) You are an outlier in that unlike most others you weren't expecting him to sign for a deal that, depending on his play, is lower than recently signed second-tier quarterbacks (e.g. Cutler, Flacco, Stafford, etc.; basically if he plays like these guys he'll get paid less than them).

B) You don't understand how taking a MUCH lower guaranteed signing bonus than expected frees up room for more re-signings from today through the next league year.

C) You don't understand how including de-escalators if they don't go to the SB or he isn't an All-Pro frees up money to bring in more firepower.

The first is an opinion, and the later two are just strange claims to make.

Also, it's worth saying that you rejecting an explanation is not the same thing as one not being offered, which is what happened above.

 

[Marvin49]

He's 3-0 on the road in the playoffs. Montana only ever won once. Young never did.

Err...What?

lol.

oops. My bad.

3-1

 

[RolandDeschain]

Super Bowls count as road games. (See how Pro Football Reference lists Peyton's playoff record, and it's the same number everyone refers to.)

3-2. I guess you were only off by 40%. :lol: