"Clayton claims he's "baffled" by Wilson contract talks"

[hawknation2015]

So for the first time i have seen other than the largest ever or highest paid we have some numbers, I am not sure if these are true as they are more speculation from "multiple reports" but here we go anyway

"Well we finally have someone saying what Wilson wants, we do not know it is true but at least it is a number

That rings hollow if Seattle doesn't take care of Wilson. According to multiple reports, he is seeking a five-year deal worth more than $110 million. Sounds like a bargain.

http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_2834 ... e-seahawks

Given Newton got 5 years 103.8 is this really unrealistic for Wilson?"


What is interesting to me is if what Clayton said is true they offered 4 yea2s 87.8 mil they are 1 year and .2 mil apart. I doubt the .2 is the issue I think it is the 5th year as the Hawks as a norm do not do 5 year contracts. It would be a shame to go through all of this for 1 year.

The only way I could see the team turning down that offer would be if it INCLUDED this year, which is not the norm for an NFL extension.

$110 million, including this year, would be the equivalent of a $27 million a year extension over four years.

Agreed but that 5 year number like I said the Hawks have shown they do not like 5 years contracts. Kam, Et, and Sherman all 4 years. The real question is would the FO mess around over a 5th year. We do not know as this is uncharted waters for them. I have said for awhile I think it is Wilson wants 5+ years and the FO wants 4. And this article sure make sit look like that is it. I doubt it includes this year as Wilson has said he will play this year without a new contract, so it would make little sense for that to be the hold up as once this year is over then that's it. I believe it is that 5th year.

Longer deals benefit the team. I am sure they would be fine with a five plus year deal, as long as it is prospective. Five years, including this year, is really just a four year extension.

 

[LickMyNuts]

I'm baffled as well.

I no longer like RW.

I hope we find a new QB...

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I'm baffled as well.

I no longer like RW.

I hope we find a new QB...

Well that's a bit extreme and shortsighted. Look, even I'm a bit baffled by how this is playing out and I've seen the Montana/Young negotiations up close.

But you shouldn't build your hopes up too high on finding another quarterback at Wilson's level until you enjoy "Suck for Luck" tactics? Face facts he should have been a top 5 pick regardless and IF he was 2-3 inches taller he likely would have been the number one pick in 2012 no questions asked. Good luck finding that with your typical 75th pick.

 

[Anthony!]

So for the first time i have seen other than the largest ever or highest paid we have some numbers, I am not sure if these are true as they are more speculation from "multiple reports" but here we go anyway

"Well we finally have someone saying what Wilson wants, we do not know it is true but at least it is a number

That rings hollow if Seattle doesn't take care of Wilson. According to multiple reports, he is seeking a five-year deal worth more than $110 million. Sounds like a bargain.

http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_2834 ... e-seahawks

Given Newton got 5 years 103.8 is this really unrealistic for Wilson?"


What is interesting to me is if what Clayton said is true they offered 4 yea2s 87.8 mil they are 1 year and .2 mil apart. I doubt the .2 is the issue I think it is the 5th year as the Hawks as a norm do not do 5 year contracts. It would be a shame to go through all of this for 1 year.

The only way I could see the team turning down that offer would be if it INCLUDED this year, which is not the norm for an NFL extension.

$110 million, including this year, would be the equivalent of a $27 million a year extension over four years.

Agreed but that 5 year number like I said the Hawks have shown they do not like 5 years contracts. Kam, Et, and Sherman all 4 years. The real question is would the FO mess around over a 5th year. We do not know as this is uncharted waters for them. I have said for awhile I think it is Wilson wants 5+ years and the FO wants 4. And this article sure make sit look like that is it. I doubt it includes this year as Wilson has said he will play this year without a new contract, so it would make little sense for that to be the hold up as once this year is over then that's it. I believe it is that 5th year.

Longer deals benefit the team. I am sure they would be fine with a five plus year deal, as long as it is prospective. Five years, including this year, is really just a four year extension.

and yet none of the recent Hawks deals were for more than 4 years, I doubt that is happenstance

 

[hawknation2015]

The only way I could see the team turning down that offer would be if it INCLUDED this year, which is not the norm for an NFL extension.

$110 million, including this year, would be the equivalent of a $27 million a year extension over four years.

Agreed but that 5 year number like I said the Hawks have shown they do not like 5 years contracts. Kam, Et, and Sherman all 4 years. The real question is would the FO mess around over a 5th year. We do not know as this is uncharted waters for them. I have said for awhile I think it is Wilson wants 5+ years and the FO wants 4. And this article sure make sit look like that is it. I doubt it includes this year as Wilson has said he will play this year without a new contract, so it would make little sense for that to be the hold up as once this year is over then that's it. I believe it is that 5th year.

Longer deals benefit the team. I am sure they would be fine with a five plus year deal, as long as it is prospective. Five years, including this year, is really just a four year extension.

and yet none of the recent Hawks deals were for more than 4 years, I doubt that is happenstance

Probably because Russell's agent has made clear that he wants Russell to enter unrestricted free agency after the 2019 season so that they can capitalize the most on his 3rd contract.

Since the Seahawks have been willing to accommodate their other star players with four-year contracts in the past, they are probably also willing to do this for Wilson or at least do it in exchange for a somewhat lower yearly salary.

 

[Anthony!]

Agreed but that 5 year number like I said the Hawks have shown they do not like 5 years contracts. Kam, Et, and Sherman all 4 years. The real question is would the FO mess around over a 5th year. We do not know as this is uncharted waters for them. I have said for awhile I think it is Wilson wants 5+ years and the FO wants 4. And this article sure make sit look like that is it. I doubt it includes this year as Wilson has said he will play this year without a new contract, so it would make little sense for that to be the hold up as once this year is over then that's it. I believe it is that 5th year.

Longer deals benefit the team. I am sure they would be fine with a five plus year deal, as long as it is prospective. Five years, including this year, is really just a four year extension.

and yet none of the recent Hawks deals were for more than 4 years, I doubt that is happenstance

Probably because Russell's agent has made clear that he wants Russell to enter unrestricted free agency after the 2019 season so that they can capitalize the most on his 3rd contract.

Since the Seahawks have been willing to accommodate their other star players with four-year contracts in the past, they are probably also willing to do this for Wilson or at least do it in exchange for a somewhat lower yearly salary.

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

 

[hawknation2015]

Longer deals benefit the team. I am sure they would be fine with a five plus year deal, as long as it is prospective. Five years, including this year, is really just a four year extension.

and yet none of the recent Hawks deals were for more than 4 years, I doubt that is happenstance

Probably because Russell's agent has made clear that he wants Russell to enter unrestricted free agency after the 2019 season so that they can capitalize the most on his 3rd contract.

Since the Seahawks have been willing to accommodate their other star players with four-year contracts in the past, they are probably also willing to do this for Wilson or at least do it in exchange for a somewhat lower yearly salary.

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

Link? Several sources have speculated that the four-year deals are being floated because such a deal would favor Wilson in the long run.

It's been speculated that Russell Wilson wants a four-year extension, and some have said his ask could be in the neighborhood of $100 million, which would push his new money APY to $25 million.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/6/1/8700 ... -extension

BTW, the 2nd highest paid player in the league (Ben Roethlisberger) also wanted a four-year extension. Longer deals, like the one Colin Kaepernick signed for six years, are considered more team friendly.

Would I want Wilson to sign a more flexible, 5+ year extension? Absolutely. It would allow us to keep and/or re-sign more players.

 

[rideaducati]

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

My guess is that Wilson wants a four year deal with five years worth of pay. All of this will be moot in a week or two.

 

[Anthony!]

and yet none of the recent Hawks deals were for more than 4 years, I doubt that is happenstance

Probably because Russell's agent has made clear that he wants Russell to enter unrestricted free agency after the 2019 season so that they can capitalize the most on his 3rd contract.

Since the Seahawks have been willing to accommodate their other star players with four-year contracts in the past, they are probably also willing to do this for Wilson or at least do it in exchange for a somewhat lower yearly salary.

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

Link? Several sources have speculated that the four-year deals are being floated because such a deal would favor Wilson in the long run.

It's been speculated that Russell Wilson wants a four-year extension, and some have said his ask could be in the neighborhood of $100 million, which would push his new money APY to $25 million.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/6/1/8700 ... -extension

BTW, the 2nd highest paid player in the league (Ben Roethlisberger) also wanted a four-year extension. Longer deals, like the one Colin Kaepernick signed for six years, are considered more team friendly.

Would I want Wilson to sign a more flexible, 5+ year extension? Absolutely. It would allow us to keep and/or re-sign more players.

the link was in my original post and I understand that longer is better for the team, however it appears that is what Wilson is looking for and so far not being offered.

 

[Anthony!]

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

My guess is that Wilson wants a four year deal with five years worth of pay. All of this will be moot in a week or two.

perhaps but that is not what it said in the link I provided nor does it make sense given he is ready to play out this year.

 

[hawknation2015]

Probably because Russell's agent has made clear that he wants Russell to enter unrestricted free agency after the 2019 season so that they can capitalize the most on his 3rd contract.

Since the Seahawks have been willing to accommodate their other star players with four-year contracts in the past, they are probably also willing to do this for Wilson or at least do it in exchange for a somewhat lower yearly salary.

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

Link? Several sources have speculated that the four-year deals are being floated because such a deal would favor Wilson in the long run.

It's been speculated that Russell Wilson wants a four-year extension, and some have said his ask could be in the neighborhood of $100 million, which would push his new money APY to $25 million.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/6/1/8700 ... -extension

BTW, the 2nd highest paid player in the league (Ben Roethlisberger) also wanted a four-year extension. Longer deals, like the one Colin Kaepernick signed for six years, are considered more team friendly.

Would I want Wilson to sign a more flexible, 5+ year extension? Absolutely. It would allow us to keep and/or re-sign more players.

the link was in my original post and I understand that longer is better for the team, however it appears that is what Wilson is looking for and so far not being offered.

I think you're being disingenuous again, Anthony. Nothing in this link mentions anything about Wilson preferring a four-year extension or a five-deal extension. As discussed above, a "five-year deal worth more than $110 million" would just be a four-year extension if 2015 is included.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28 ... e-seahawks

 

[hawknation2015]

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

My guess is that Wilson wants a four year deal with five years worth of pay. All of this will be moot in a week or two.

Thank you, that's a succinct way to describe it.

 

[MarylandHawk]

Leave it to a Broncos writer to nail it.
http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_28346691/russell-wilson-deserves-franchise-qb-money-role-seahawks

 

[Polaris]

Leave it to a Broncos writer to nail it.
http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_28346691/russell-wilson-deserves-franchise-qb-money-role-seahawks

This is "Paul Harvey" with the rest of the story:

1. Apparently the Seahawks HAVE offered Wilson Franchise QB money at least by NFL standards.
2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

 

[rideaducati]

Leave it to a Broncos writer to nail it.
http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_28346691/russell-wilson-deserves-franchise-qb-money-role-seahawks

This is "Paul Harvey" with the rest of the story:

1. Apparently the Seahawks HAVE offered Wilson Franchise QB money at least by NFL standards.
2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

I think Russell and his agent are slowly coming to the realization that the Seahawks AREN'T going to tear up the current contract. With that being off the table, they'll realize that signing the offer on the table makes sense.

 

[Anthony!]

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

Link? Several sources have speculated that the four-year deals are being floated because such a deal would favor Wilson in the long run.

It's been speculated that Russell Wilson wants a four-year extension, and some have said his ask could be in the neighborhood of $100 million, which would push his new money APY to $25 million.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/6/1/8700 ... -extension

BTW, the 2nd highest paid player in the league (Ben Roethlisberger) also wanted a four-year extension. Longer deals, like the one Colin Kaepernick signed for six years, are considered more team friendly.

Would I want Wilson to sign a more flexible, 5+ year extension? Absolutely. It would allow us to keep and/or re-sign more players.

the link was in my original post and I understand that longer is better for the team, however it appears that is what Wilson is looking for and so far not being offered.

I think you're being disingenuous again, Anthony. Nothing in this link mentions anything about Wilson preferring a four-year extension or a five-deal extension. As discussed above, a "five-year deal worth more than $110 million" would just be a four-year extension if 2015 is included.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28 ... e-seahawks

your assuming he wants a 4 years extension now ere does it say that it says 5 year deal and since he has said he would play out this year at the 1.5 it is easy to see he is talking a 5 additional years. Sorry no disingenuous at all, just looking at it with my eyes open as opposed top some who want to see what they want to see.

 

[Anthony!]

and as I showed the word is the hold up is Wilson wants 5 years not the team.

My guess is that Wilson wants a four year deal with five years worth of pay. All of this will be moot in a week or two.

Thank you, that's a succinct way to describe it.

NO that is the way you want to describe it, you have no clue but if that was true why be willing to play out the last year? Sorry I disagree He wants a 5 year deal and the Hawks only want 4.

 

[Anthony!]

Leave it to a Broncos writer to nail it.
http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_28346691/russell-wilson-deserves-franchise-qb-money-role-seahawks

This is "Paul Harvey" with the rest of the story:

1. Apparently the Seahawks HAVE offered Wilson Franchise QB money at least by NFL standards.
2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

HMm it doe snot say that any place in this article you are assuming, its read he wants a 5 year deal not tear up and a new deal. Add tot hat his willing ness to play out this year that tells me you are wrong, Lets stop assuming shall we.

 

[Polaris]

Leave it to a Broncos writer to nail it.
http://www.denverpost.com/renck/ci_28346691/russell-wilson-deserves-franchise-qb-money-role-seahawks

This is "Paul Harvey" with the rest of the story:

1. Apparently the Seahawks HAVE offered Wilson Franchise QB money at least by NFL standards.
2. Wilson wants the Seahawks to completely tear up the last year of his current contract and start with 20+ million APY THIS year (and that would be a cap disaster). Not only that, but virtually no NFL team does that for anyone. You tack onto existing contracts for cap relief if nothing else (even Rodgers did this).

HMm it doe snot say that any place in this article you are assuming, its read he wants a 5 year deal not tear up and a new deal. Add tot hat his willing ness to play out this year that tells me you are wrong, Lets stop assuming shall we.

That fact he wants a 100+ million five year deal starting from right now does mean he wants to rip up the last year of his rookie contract and start with 20+ million per year. It's the only way to make that math work. Naturally that's a non-starter for any NFL team (not even Green Bay did this with Aaron Rogers). The fact that Wilson is "willing" to play out his last year is strictly a power play on his part (or more likely on the part of his agent). No it doesn't make much sense which is Clayton's entire point if you are looking at dollar amount. I think that Wilson and (esp) Rodgers are looking at something else, i.e. trying to 'revolutionize' how NFL deals are done to be more on baseball lines. That's not gonna fly.

 

[hawknation2015]

That fact he wants a 100+ million five year deal starting from right now does mean he wants to rip up the last year of his rookie contract and start with 20+ million per year. It's the only way to make that math work. Naturally that's a non-starter for any NFL team (not even Green Bay did this with Aaron Rogers). The fact that Wilson is "willing" to play out his last year is strictly a power play on his part (or more likely on the part of his agent). No it doesn't make much sense which is Clayton's entire point if you are looking at dollar amount. I think that Wilson and (esp) Rodgers are looking at something else, i.e. trying to 'revolutionize' how NFL deals are done to be more on baseball lines. That's not gonna fly.

It makes sense if their goal is to squeeze every penny that they possibly can out of these negotiations. Normally, QBs are partially concerned about fostering a sense of team stability and leaving their team on a solid cap footing so that the team can surround them with the key players to compete at a high level. Wilson has expressed ZERO interest in that, at least so far. For now, that does not appear to be a mutual interest, only a team interest that conflicts with the ultimate goal of securing as much money as they can in the short term.

They demand a $27 million extension over four years (the equivalent a $22 million dollar deal over five years, including this year). If they don't get it, then they force the team to either give Wilson $25 million next season under the exclusive tag or $20 million under the non-exclusive tag with the right to negotiate terms with other teams. If they get the non-exclusive tag, as expected, they then attempt to broker a four-year extension worth $25+ million a year with some desperate team, forcing the Seahawks to match.

Does that leave the Seahawks in a beneficial cap footing, ala Rodgers or Newton's extensions? No.

Does it give the team a sense of stability and the confidence to re-sign other players? No.

But does it squeeze every last drop out of that lemon? Yes.

In the long run, I think this would be a shortsighted strategy. (1) On a personal level, Wilson would be choosing to bear enormous risk in the difference between what his insurance policy will pay out and what guaranteed money he could have signed before this season begins. (2) He would be harming the team in attempting to maximize his returns by giving them little opportunity for flexibility and future planning under the salary cap. And (3) he would be potentially damaging his own reputation in the drawn-out, greedy process.