Cary Williams situation not very "seahawk-y"

[hawknation2015]

So which touchdown did he give up today?

Even the talking heads were saying how the game plan was go after Cary, it's just reality, he's the weakest link, whether he gives up the td or not today isn't the point it's that he's constantly the one giving up the yards and big plays or is on the verge of taking the costly penalty...you're not gonna get 2 top end corners out there but you need somebody who is making them work. At best his ability to make a play on the ball is horrid, he's not absolutely out of position every time but his ability to do something when the balls in the air doesn't exist. Catch and tackle, Jennings retread.

Is that so? Cause the only "big plays" I saw given up today weren't on the side of #26.

I guess when someone catches a pass on Sherman, or a LB/S out of position, or Shead, etc.. its Cary Williams fault.

Got it :th2thumbs:

Agreed! Blows me away how we attack the new guy. The only guys I saw on the last TD were Kam, Sherman and Thomas?

That last TD was just a miscommunication.

Williams did not allow any TDs yesterday. He did allow four receptions. He is not a shutdown corner, whatever that means, but he is the virtual equivalent of Byron Maxwell at a greatly reduced rate. His "seahawk-y" attributes are what allow him to play fairly consistently and to occasionally make splash plays like this one:


There was also another play where Williams very nearly came away with an INT.

 

[mrblitz]

could have had the int if he were playing the ball there; it was thrown behind #17

 

[TwilightError]

Cary is getting picked on by all opponents... He is not horrible, just not good enough to be on the LoB. It would be completely different if we had found a way to keep Maxwell, Thurmond or Browner. But it's a salary cap league, so these things happen.

 

[HawksSoc]

Cary is getting picked on by all opponents... He is not horrible, just not good enough to be on the LoB. It would be completely different if we had found a way to keep Maxwell, Thurmond or Browner. But it's a salary cap league, so these things happen.

Browner? Browner's the only player in the league with more Penalties then Bennett this year. If he was here you'd be roasting him instead.

 

[massari]

We would not have needed Carry Williams if our developmental prospect, Tharold Simon, did not prove to be injury prone. He played great for the entire regular season last year, then gets hurt again and plays like hot garbage. There was no way they were going to be able to rely on Simon this season. Thankfully, they did not. Instead of complaining about a player who is actually playing reasonably well, perhaps we should be commending the team for their foresight. Without the Williams signing, we might now have a rookie starting at cornerback.

Williams is very much a "Seahawk-y" player: aggressive man coverage (sometime too aggressive) and ability to contest a jump ball, 33" arms, and great athleticism for his size with 4.4 speed. I hate to think where we would be without him

But why didn't they go after cheaper CB's like Tillman(2M), Alan Ball(3M), Tarell Brown(2M) who seem just as productive as Williams(7M) except way cheaper? (Tarell Brown is on the season ending IR so probably got lucky there).

And why did Williams get way more money then those guys, I don't get it.

 

[TwilightError]

Cary is getting picked on by all opponents... He is not horrible, just not good enough to be on the LoB. It would be completely different if we had found a way to keep Maxwell, Thurmond or Browner. But it's a salary cap league, so these things happen.

Browner? Browner's the only player in the league with more Penalties then Bennett this year. If he was here you'd be roasting him instead.

That was always one of Browners problems, but he was still one of my favourite players on the team when he was here.

 

[getnasty]

We would not have needed Carry Williams if our developmental prospect, Tharold Simon, did not prove to be injury prone. He played great for the entire regular season last year, then gets hurt again and plays like hot garbage. There was no way they were going to be able to rely on Simon this season. Thankfully, they did not. Instead of complaining about a player who is actually playing reasonably well, perhaps we should be commending the team for their foresight. Without the Williams signing, we might now have a rookie starting at cornerback.

Williams is very much a "Seahawk-y" player: aggressive man coverage (sometime too aggressive) and ability to contest a jump ball, 33" arms, and great athleticism for his size with 4.4 speed. I hate to think where we would be without him.

This board is falling into the same boring trap it always does, which is to blame what is new or the unknown, without actually putting any modicum of brain power into independently analyzing the situation. That is our groupthink.

This is correct

 

[hawknation2015]

We would not have needed Carry Williams if our developmental prospect, Tharold Simon, did not prove to be injury prone. He played great for the entire regular season last year, then gets hurt again and plays like hot garbage. There was no way they were going to be able to rely on Simon this season. Thankfully, they did not. Instead of complaining about a player who is actually playing reasonably well, perhaps we should be commending the team for their foresight. Without the Williams signing, we might now have a rookie starting at cornerback.

Williams is very much a "Seahawk-y" player: aggressive man coverage (sometime too aggressive) and ability to contest a jump ball, 33" arms, and great athleticism for his size with 4.4 speed. I hate to think where we would be without him

But why didn't they go after cheaper CB's like Tillman(2M), Alan Ball(3M), Tarell Brown(2M) who seem just as productive as Williams(7M) except way cheaper? (Tarell Brown is on the season ending IR so probably got lucky there).

And why did Williams get way more money then those guys, I don't get it.

Because they needed a starter-quality player. Tillman is 34 years old, Brown had a history of foot problems, and Ball has also been hurt a lot over the last couple years.

 

[Bwarren]

I think we need to stop referring to them as the "Legion of Boom" and more like the "Legion of Whom". Sherman played like Williams last week. Part of the problem with going to the SB is all the distractions. A lot of these players are more interested in "getting theirs" than the team as a whole. Pete's whole deal is team and that has been fractured by distractions. Talent is there to win. Coaching is highly questionable. Bevell is a disaster. What ever happened before is gone or forgotten. Besides of all the major sports we follow, football evolves the most. If your coaching does not evolve with it you lose. That's why the Packers are a great team, same system but always different.
We on the other hand are stuck in a rut. Example, last 3 seasons with Russell we run play action with a half roll and a run pass option. The last three years this has been wide open. Not this year. Always a defensive end at home and the scramble dies or the pass thrown out of bounds. Defenses know that if the end stays home and you have a shadow in the middle that Russell can be contained.
Rawls runs for 169 yds and gets one carry? Wow Without a trick play we would have scored 16 points? Seven three and outs?

 

[McG]

I think we need to stop referring to them as the "Legion of Boom" and more like the "Legion of Whom". Sherman played like Williams last week. Part of the problem with going to the SB is all the distractions. A lot of these players are more interested in "getting theirs" than the team as a whole. Pete's whole deal is team and that has been fractured by distractions. Talent is there to win. Coaching is highly questionable. Bevell is a disaster. What ever happened before is gone or forgotten. Besides of all the major sports we follow, football evolves the most. If your coaching does not evolve with it you lose. That's why the Packers are a great team, same system but always different.
We on the other hand are stuck in a rut. Example, last 3 seasons with Russell we run play action with a half roll and a run pass option. The last three years this has been wide open. Not this year. Always a defensive end at home and the scramble dies or the pass thrown out of bounds. Defenses know that if the end stays home and you have a shadow in the middle that Russell can be contained.
Rawls runs for 169 yds and gets one carry? Wow Without a trick play we would have scored 16 points? Seven three and outs?

Yeah, we have a horrible OC. It's pretty obvious.

 

[flmmkrz]

So which touchdown did he give up today?

Even the talking heads were saying how the game plan was go after Cary, it's just reality, he's the weakest link, whether he gives up the td or not today isn't the point it's that he's constantly the one giving up the yards and big plays or is on the verge of taking the costly penalty...you're not gonna get 2 top end corners out there but you need somebody who is making them work. At best his ability to make a play on the ball is horrid, he's not absolutely out of position every time but his ability to do something when the balls in the air doesn't exist. Catch and tackle, Jennings retread.

Is that so? Cause the only "big plays" I saw given up today weren't on the side of #26.

I guess when someone catches a pass on Sherman, or a LB/S out of position, or Shead, etc.. its Cary Williams fault.

Got it :th2thumbs:

of course he isn't the only one giving up big plays and of course there are tds being scored against other defensive players, this team isn't playing shitty overall defense because of one single player alone, nobody is getting a pass. That said you've got a defense underperforming and his side is still the side being picked on nearly every time a team needs to move the ball, this isn't a coincidence. Teams will zero in on your weakness and they've identified it as Williams. Saying others have given up big plays or tds against isn't an argument that Williams is playing well yet it's the one you keep defaulting too. What has Cary done to show you that as the season progresses he's not going to continue to be a liability based on his play.

 

[captSE]

Saw one play Williams did good on. Oh yeah, he should have gotten flagged for pass interference but didn't get caught.

Anyone is better than this so called
veteran - Get rid of the bum.

:les:

 

[hawknation2015]

Saw one play Williams did good on. Oh yeah, he should have gotten flagged for pass interference but didn't get caught.

Anyone is better than this so called
veteran - Get rid of the bum.

:les:

I didn't see anything close to a PI from Williams in this game.

Once again, groupthink.

 

[OkieHawk]

we have no one to put in for him. who the hell are we gonna put in to cover that side?

jeremy lane is on IR. tharold simon is Mr. Glass. who's left? you wanna put Tukuafu in there?

Shead.

 

[hawknation2015]

we have no one to put in for him. who the hell are we gonna put in to cover that side?

jeremy lane is on IR. tharold simon is Mr. Glass. who's left? you wanna put Tukuafu in there?

Shead.

He's not a very good boundary corner and is needed at nickel with Burley and Lane out.

 

[OkieHawk]

we have no one to put in for him. who the hell are we gonna put in to cover that side?

jeremy lane is on IR. tharold simon is Mr. Glass. who's left? you wanna put Tukuafu in there?

Shead.

He's not a very good boundary corner and is needed at nickel with Burley and Lane out.

Have you seen him play outside CB? I know I haven't, so that's just speculation. If he's good enough to play nickel then I'm sure he can do better than Cary outside. Is it really something that we couldn't at least try...?

 

[flmmkrz]

Saw one play Williams did good on. Oh yeah, he should have gotten flagged for pass interference but didn't get caught.

Anyone is better than this so called
veteran - Get rid of the bum.

:les:

I didn't see anything close to a PI from Williams in this game.

Once again, groupthink.

then you were off refilling your nachos and turned away from the screen cause it was pretty damn close to PI, don't know how you miss it.

 

[hawknation2015]

Saw one play Williams did good on. Oh yeah, he should have gotten flagged for pass interference but didn't get caught.

Anyone is better than this so called
veteran - Get rid of the bum.

:les:

I didn't see anything close to a PI from Williams in this game.

Once again, groupthink.

then you were off refilling your nachos and turned away from the screen cause it was pretty damn close to PI, don't know how you miss it.

Can you identify the play with any specificity?

 

[OkieHawk]

Can you identify the play with any specificity?

I remember the play, but not with specifics. Cary had his arm across the helmet of the other guy, but pulled it back quickly. I told the wife we got lucky that it wasn't called.

 

[hawknation2015]

Can you identify the play with any specificity?

I remember the play, but not with specifics. Cary had his arm across the helmet of the other guy, but pulled it back quickly. I told the wife we got lucky that it wasn't called.

What quarter? I didn't notice it during my second viewing of the game.