Carroll on James Carpenter:

[bestfightstory]

McQuistan is my favorite lineman. He just does everything asked of him and I don't recall anything glaring of his play that stands out. For an interior lineman that's fine. I remember pulling my hair and screaming at the TV because of Sweezy, Moffit and Breno.

If you buy a McQuistan jersey to complement your Browner jersey you are the new .NET playa's playa.

 

[sc85sis]

I don't know that we can assume Pete was being fully accurate on the 350 thing because he was joking around. I think the main takeaway from that is that Carp has added muscle while losing fat--and that's a good thing.

 

[Bakergirl]

I have high hopes for him. He was working with a trainer and a nutritionist and I have read he is the strongest player on the OL now. I think what
PC was saying is he lost fat and added muscle. I would like to see him about 10-15 lbs lighter on his repaired knee

Exactly. Carpenter is in better shape by far this year just by the addition of muscle mass and the loss of fat. Numbers on the scale can be misleading. If his overall number hasn't gone down, but he's managed to strengthen his muscles and slim up he's heading in the right direction. Muscle strength can help prevent re-injury, as well as future injury.

 

[hawk45]

I have high hopes for him. He was working with a trainer and a nutritionist and I have read he is the strongest player on the OL now. I think what
PC was saying is he lost fat and added muscle. I would like to see him about 10-15 lbs lighter on his repaired knee

Exactly. Carpenter is in better shape by far this year just by the addition of muscle mass and the loss of fat. Numbers on the scale can be misleading. If his overall number hasn't gone down, but he's managed to strengthen his muscles and slim up he's heading in the right direction. Muscle strength can help prevent re-injury, as well as future injury.

It's not as easy as all that to change your body composition. You cannot gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. So, you have to either lean out a bunch and then very carefully ratchet your diet back up in small increments so that as you gain weight a larger % of it is muscle, or you must put on the muscle first then very carefully lose weight slowly so that you are losing a greater % of fat as you lose.

That sort of change takes a shit-ton more control than Carp has ever shown. Nutritionist or not. I'm not discounting it out of hand, but with Carp I'm not going to buy that story straightaway. I would buy it more if he weighed the EXACT SAME but strength went up, I'd buy it if he weighed less and his strength had been maintained. But I do not buy that he is *much* leaner if he's right now heavier than he was.

Also, his strength may have increased a lot, but that simply indicates gaining muscle, and also perhaps neurological strength. It says nothing about body composition.

Lastly, whether it's muscle or fat, it would still be better on his repaired knee for him to be lighter on the scale. For someone to add appreciable muscle mass, it by necessity must be added proportionate to the size of the muscle group. Your big weight-adds are going to be in your back, your quads, your butt, then maybe chest and arms.

So we're not talking about a guy who only added muscle around his repaired knee that would stabilize that joint. We're talking about a guy who added a little muscle/strength around that repaired knee, and then added mass a bunch of other places that do nothing but add load to that joint whether that mass was made of fat, muscle, or admantium.

It's better for all of us if Carp is lighter.

 

[Sac]

I have high hopes for him. He was working with a trainer and a nutritionist and I have read he is the strongest player on the OL now. I think what
PC was saying is he lost fat and added muscle. I would like to see him about 10-15 lbs lighter on his repaired knee

Exactly. Carpenter is in better shape by far this year just by the addition of muscle mass and the loss of fat. Numbers on the scale can be misleading. If his overall number hasn't gone down, but he's managed to strengthen his muscles and slim up he's heading in the right direction. Muscle strength can help prevent re-injury, as well as future injury.

It's not as easy as all that to change your body composition. You cannot gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

This is incorrect. By putting on muscle mass your calorie cost becomes higher and as long as you're also doing cardio in the fat burning range you will in fact add muscle and lose fat at the same time.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I have high hopes for him. He was working with a trainer and a nutritionist and I have read he is the strongest player on the OL now. I think what
PC was saying is he lost fat and added muscle. I would like to see him about 10-15 lbs lighter on his repaired knee

Exactly. Carpenter is in better shape by far this year just by the addition of muscle mass and the loss of fat. Numbers on the scale can be misleading. If his overall number hasn't gone down, but he's managed to strengthen his muscles and slim up he's heading in the right direction. Muscle strength can help prevent re-injury, as well as future injury.

It's not as easy as all that to change your body composition. You cannot gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. So, you have to either lean out a bunch and then very carefully ratchet your diet back up in small increments so that as you gain weight a larger % of it is muscle, or you must put on the muscle first then very carefully lose weight slowly so that you are losing a greater % of fat as you lose.

That sort of change takes a shit-ton more control than Carp has ever shown. Nutritionist or not. I'm not discounting it out of hand, but with Carp I'm not going to buy that story straightaway. I would buy it more if he weighed the EXACT SAME but strength went up, I'd buy it if he weighed less and his strength had been maintained. But I do not buy that he is *much* leaner if he's right now heavier than he was.

Also, his strength may have increased a lot, but that simply indicates gaining muscle, and also perhaps neurological strength. It says nothing about body composition.

Lastly, whether it's muscle or fat, it would still be better on his repaired knee for him to be lighter on the scale. For someone to add appreciable muscle mass, it by necessity must be added proportionate to the size of the muscle group. Your big weight-adds are going to be in your back, your quads, your butt, then maybe chest and arms.

So we're not talking about a guy who only added muscle around his repaired knee that would stabilize that joint. We're talking about a guy who added a little muscle/strength around that repaired knee, and then added mass a bunch of other places that do nothing but add load to that joint whether that mass was made of fat, muscle, or admantium.

It's better for all of us if Carp is lighter.

You obviously never heard of P90X

 

[McG]

Did PC say he was officially 350? I mean it's Pete Friggin' Carroll. The thing that he has in common with every one of us is the fact that he is a fan and a coach. He's an "everyman" kind of guy. So as if he was BSin' with one of his buddies, instead of saying Carp is 338 (est. weight) he says he's 350.

When it comes to Carp, sure the majority of us hated the pick. You have to remember the guy is really talented, sure he is or hopefully was fat, but the fact is he can play. I hope he comes back even better than ever and his health becomes more reliable. If he can get to a playing weight of 325-335, his speed and explosiveness along with his strength may land him in the Pro-Bowl. He can be that good.

 

[bestfightstory]

I just want to see Unger and James Carpenter double on a DTackle and drive him back ten yards and into the ground.

Can this happen?

 

[Stoned Cold]

I love Carp and I seriously hope that this is his year... (here comes the BUT)

BUT, somewhere, Paul McQuistan is lurking. To me, McQuistan is Chris Gray 2.0. Overlooked, always counted out, under appreciated, and ugly enough to play Oswald Cobblepot (Penguin) in any upcoming remakes of Batman Returns. The ultimate underdog.

Once again, we're looking at and talking about Carp/Moffitt/Sweezy on this board and who is going to walk out of camp with the 2 jobs at guard and meanwhile, Paul McQuistan rises from the sewers to take back what's rightfully his.

Don't sleep on McQuistan, my guess is that somehow, against the odds yet again, he starts the season as a starter on the OLine. I hope not, because that means that something didn't go according to plan along the way. In football though, as in life, things rarely do.

TLDNR

Carps a lazy fat bastard and we panicked on that pick. Sabans reaction was spot on. Saban said he was "athletic" even "quick", but the fat bastard lost that when he made a million dollars. He may pan out as a guard but he won't be a re-signed player. Injury prone, fat, and lazy is not a guy you extend. Next season he may be starting for Golden Corral.

 

[Bakergirl]

Exactly. Carpenter is in better shape by far this year just by the addition of muscle mass and the loss of fat. Numbers on the scale can be misleading. If his overall number hasn't gone down, but he's managed to strengthen his muscles and slim up he's heading in the right direction. Muscle strength can help prevent re-injury, as well as future injury.

It's not as easy as all that to change your body composition. You cannot gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

This is incorrect. By putting on muscle mass your calorie cost becomes higher and as long as you're also doing cardio in the fat burning range you will in fact add muscle and lose fat at the same time.

You beat me to it Sac lol. Absolutely you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. Cardio combined with proper strength training and dietary management. Countless people have done it and do it every day. I've done it, lost inches overall while my weight stayed virtually the same due to the exchange of lean muscle mass for stored body fat. It's not that hard really you just have to put the work in and stick to your guns and not cheat on the dietary part of the plan. While a pound of muscle and a pound of fat weigh the same, muscle tissue is denser and so takes up less volume when compared to adipose tissue. Fat takes up more than four times as much space as lean muscle mass. So if you want to reduce your size, then reduce your percentage of body fat. An obvious indicator is your waistline. If your pants are becoming baggy but your weight is not changing too much, you know you are heading in the right direction.

When determining your overall health, it’s important to consider your percentage of body fat in proportion to muscle mass. Someone weighing 200 pounds with a body fat percentage of 25 is carrying around 50 pounds of extra fat. That same person weighing 200 pounds with 10 per cent body fat would be carrying around only 20 pounds of fat. This is significant in terms of health, not to mention how exhausting it is to carry around 30 extra pounds of fat. In addition, the person with 50 pounds of fat has only 150 pounds of lean mass to carry that weight, whereas the person with 20 pounds of fat has 180 pounds of lean mass to sustain it. That factor alone will have a dramatic impact on energy level, joint stress and mobility.

Scales cannot differentiate between muscle and fat. You will obtain an accurate measurement of your weight, but you do not know how much is lean mass and how much is fat. Lean mass is simply your muscles, bones, connective tissue and organs. The remainder falls into the fat category. You do require a percentage of fat to function, but that consists of only about three per cent of your total body weight.
Studies indicate that, in terms of overall weight, most college-level football players are considered overweight and therefore more susceptible to health risks. In reality, this is far from the truth. The athletes are generally in excellent physical health but have a larger percentage of lean muscle mass. This is what Carroll was talking about when he said "His lean body mass has shifted some. But he still weighs 350 pounds."

 

[Stoned Cold]

After I sign this I can eat all the dirty rice I can eat!

Studies indicate that, in terms of overall weight, most college-level football players are considered overweight and therefore more susceptible to health risks. In reality, this is far from the truth. The athletes are generally in excellent physical health but have a larger percentage of lean muscle mass. This is what Carroll was talking about when he said "His lean body mass has shifted some. But he still weighs 350 pounds."

And no. Carroll threw out 350 because its alarming. He wouldn't say that if he was happy with that number. People need to quit trying to justify his weight issues. He's fat and its on him to be a professional. Carroll said that to the media in an effort to let Carp know he's not happy. Obviously one on one conversations aren't working so Pete's gone to the media. Next step is a pink slip and no free food leaving the V-Mac.

By the way. After this year he has no more guaranteed money. Gravy train has come to a halt fatty.

 

[Bakergirl]

And no. Carroll threw out 350 because its alarming. He wouldn't say that if he was happy with that number. People need to quit trying to justify his weight issues. He's fat and its on him to be a professional. Carroll said that to the media in an effort to let Carp know he's not happy. Obviously one on one conversations aren't working so Pete's gone to the media. Next step is a pink slip and no free food leaving the V-Mac.

By the way. After this year he has no more guaranteed money. Gravy train has come to a halt fatty.

You got all of that out of one sentence? Wow you must be some kind of telepath to be able to read Carroll's mind.

 

[BlueTalon]

TLDNR

Carps a lazy fat bastard...

Does anyone else here find this as hilarious as I do?

 

[sc85sis]

TLDNR

Carps a lazy fat bastard...

Does anyone else here find this as hilarious as I do?

He lost me when I saw he couldn't be bothered to read three paragraphs plus one sentence.

 

[hawk45]

Sorry no, you cannot lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. This is patently, ridiculously false. Both fat and muscle are built when you maintain a positive caloric balance. Both types of tissue are ways of storing excess energy. In other words, your intake must exceed your expenditure. Plenty of pseudo-science health progams claim to be able to circumvent the laws of nature, none of them are able to. Study after study upholds this. The only studies which appear to contradict it do it because they rely on subjects self-reporting caloric intakes, a method notorious for being non-scientific. Folks on a diet tend to underreport their intakes. Folks who claim they can't gain weight tend to overreport intakes.

You cannot gain muscle without gaining some fat, it's inevitable. Losing works the same way. You can do things (steroids) to skew the percentages in your favor, but saving that, if you gain weight, you gain a good amount of fat in the process.

Medline is your friend. Bodyrecomposition.com is also a good resource, the author explains the physiological facts in an easy to understand manner and the books are all well-researched.

 

[Bakergirl]

Sorry no, you cannot lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. This is patently, ridiculously false. Both fat and muscle are built when you maintain a positive caloric balance. Both types of tissue are ways of storing excess energy. In other words, your intake must exceed your expenditure. Plenty of pseudo-science health progams claim to be able to circumvent the laws of nature, none of them are able to. Study after study upholds this. The only studies which appear to contradict it do it because they rely on subjects self-reporting caloric intakes, a method notorious for being non-scientific. Folks on a diet tend to underreport their intakes. Folks who claim they can't gain weight tend to overreport intakes.

You cannot gain muscle without gaining some fat, it's inevitable. Losing works the same way. You can do things (steroids) to skew the percentages in your favor, but saving that, if you gain weight, you gain a good amount of fat in the process.

Medline is your friend. Bodyrecomposition.com is also a good resource, the author explains the physiological facts in an easy to understand manner and the books are all well-researched.

Sorry gonna have to agree to disagree on this. It is possible, it simply takes the right diet and exercise, body builders for example follow a diet and exercise guideline that tricks the body into delving into fat storage for fuel when building muscle. It's called nutrient timing and while it can be complicated it can be done. It's not just about what you eat, but when you eat what.

 

[NYCoug]

TLDNR

Carps a lazy fat bastard...

Does anyone else here find this as hilarious as I do?

The irony is amazingly hilarious!

I know I've been known to spout off at the mouth a little bit and I sure do know how to ramble, but 3 paragraphs and a sentence?! Even Carp, that "fat lazy bastard", would have been able to sit through that and read it from his mobility scooter.

 

[sc85sis]

TLDNR

Carps a lazy fat bastard...

Does anyone else here find this as hilarious as I do?

The irony is amazingly hilarious!

I know I've been known to spout off at the mouth a little bit and I sure do know how to ramble, but 3 paragraphs and a sentence?! Even Carp, that "fat lazy bastard", would have been able to sit through that and read it from his mobility scooter.

The paragraphs weren't all that long either.

 

[General Manager]

I'm still waiting to see if he will play in a preseason game, then we can decide weather or not he should get back into the starting lineup. I really hope he does but there's a lot of questions surrounding his knee injury , bottom line is until he proves he can play again he's just taking up a roster spot.

 

[Happypuppy]

Sorry gonna have to agree to disagree on this. It is possible, it simply takes the right diet and exercise, body builders for example follow a diet and exercise guideline that tricks the body into delving into fat storage for fuel when building muscle. It's called nutrient timing and while it can be complicated it can be done. It's not just about what you eat, but when you eat what.

+1 Bakergirl.

I went to the source and asked the Strength Coach for the Seahawks Chris Carlisle the question if you can add muscle and lose fat at the same time .


@CoachCarlisle: Yes - we do it all of the time!