Carp Had Another Knee Surgery

[Sarlacc83]

Somebody at PFT sucks at math. Possibly at life, too. 2010 draft + 2 years =/= 2013.

Probably a typo. Carpenter was a 2011 pick.

 

[onanygivensunday]

I want Carpenter and Moffit both to be on the field playing/contributing like the 1st and 3rd round selections that they were.

Is that asking for too much.

 

[nanomoz]

I think Carpenter will be fine, and will start at left guard this season. It's not uncommon for major knee injuries to take a couple of years to get over--especially with massive dudes like Carpenter.

 

[scutterhawk]

No, this thread sounds like Carp has contributed little or nothing during his tenure here. Love to see some extended contribution from him; doubtful at this point.

Glass half full?
I asked that because if Carpenter is even at 90%, our whole Left side will be at it's best since having Tobeck, Jones, and Hutchinson, in our SB run of 2005.
I'm going to pull the positive switch, and lean for a full recovery on Carp. per PC's encouraged attitude, until it's played out.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

The problem is surgery is surgery. A scope is a scope. Anyone who thinks surgery is ever minor needs to be in a OR or a day surgery facility. Once you have to place any object inside a body cavity to perform a procedure you cause collateral trauma. This is not always extensive and bad, but with repeated procedures your chance of scare tissue and early set arthritis increases. If he is ready for TC does it really matter? In the short term maybe not, but in the long term it does come into play. We are talking about a mountain of a person who already puts stress on his knees with everyday life and work because of his job and size. Add into that cumulative surgeries and you start to have issues.

I'm sure glad nobody told Ray Allen that.

 

[Missing_Clink]

I wouldn't take any knee surgery as minor when you are talking about a guy who has not recovered from a knee injury two years ago. Lets hope hes not another Tubbs but I am getting worried.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Somebody at PFT sucks at math. Possibly at life, too. 2010 draft + 2 years =/= 2013.

The 2013-14 season will be his third season as a pro.

So no.. they got it right. Just missed the draft year.

 

[Brahn]

The problem is surgery is surgery. A scope is a scope. Anyone who thinks surgery is ever minor needs to be in a OR or a day surgery facility. Once you have to place any object inside a body cavity to perform a procedure you cause collateral trauma. This is not always extensive and bad, but with repeated procedures your chance of scare tissue and early set arthritis increases. If he is ready for TC does it really matter? In the short term maybe not, but in the long term it does come into play. We are talking about a mountain of a person who already puts stress on his knees with everyday life and work because of his job and size. Add into that cumulative surgeries and you start to have issues.

I'm sure glad nobody told Ray Allen that.

A 1990 Ball State study, commissioned by the NFLPA and covering the previous 50 years of league history, revealed that among 870 former players responding to a survey, 65% had suffered a "major injury" while playing—that is, an injury that either required surgery or forced them to miss at least eight games. The study also reported that the percentage of players incurring such injuries had increased alarmingly: from 42% before 1959 to 72% in the 1980s, after many stadiums had switched from grass to artificial turf. Two of every three former players disclosed that their football injuries had limited their ability to participate in sports and other recreation in retirement, and more than half of them also had a curtailed ability to do physical labor. Of those who played during the '70s and '80s, nearly half (50% and 48%, respectively) reported that they had retired because of injury—up from 30% in the years before 1959.

Take that study and now add 20 years of better weight lifting, and overall impact from the collisions that cause more force these days.
Players need to look at the long term effects of these surgeries. Everyone wants to talk about concussions, but multiple knee surgeries can also lower your life quality. There are no "Minor" surgeries.

But hey at least Ray Allen can say he came back when he is unable to walk in a few years. (I know Allen played BBall and not football). Surgery is Surgery.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Players need to look at the long term effects of these surgeries. Everyone wants to talk about concussions, but multiple knee surgeries can also lower your life quality. There are no "Minor" surgeries.

Having had my share of joint surgeries, I can agree with your conclusion..... especially noting that the player is 300 lbs! I will be very surprised if we can get another 16 good games from him.

 

[jlwaters1]

The problem is surgery is surgery. A scope is a scope. Anyone who thinks surgery is ever minor needs to be in a OR or a day surgery facility. Once you have to place any object inside a body cavity to perform a procedure you cause collateral trauma. This is not always extensive and bad, but with repeated procedures your chance of scare tissue and early set arthritis increases. If he is ready for TC does it really matter? In the short term maybe not, but in the long term it does come into play. We are talking about a mountain of a person who already puts stress on his knees with everyday life and work because of his job and size. Add into that cumulative surgeries and you start to have issues.

I'm sure glad nobody told Ray Allen that.

A 1990 Ball State study, commissioned by the NFLPA and covering the previous 50 years of league history, revealed that among 870 former players responding to a survey, 65% had suffered a "major injury" while playing—that is, an injury that either required surgery or forced them to miss at least eight games. The study also reported that the percentage of players incurring such injuries had increased alarmingly: from 42% before 1959 to 72% in the 1980s, after many stadiums had switched from grass to artificial turf. Two of every three former players disclosed that their football injuries had limited their ability to participate in sports and other recreation in retirement, and more than half of them also had a curtailed ability to do physical labor. Of those who played during the '70s and '80s, nearly half (50% and 48%, respectively) reported that they had retired because of injury—up from 30% in the years before 1959.

Take that study and now add 20 years of better weight lifting, and overall impact from the collisions that cause more force these days.
Players need to look at the long term effects of these surgeries. Everyone wants to talk about concussions, but multiple knee surgeries can also lower your life quality. There are no "Minor" surgeries.
But hey at least Ray Allen can say he came back when he is unable to walk in a few years. (I know Allen played BBall and not football). Surgery is Surgery.

You seem to be forgetting the surgury procedures over the past 15 years is light years ahead of anything done on the 70's and 80's. We see more and more players recovering inside a single season and returning to their pre-injury form. I'm not minimizing this topic. Merely pointing out that yeah guys are bigger, but procedures are much improved as is the playing surfaces today's players play on are vastly superior to that of the 80's/90's.

 

[Brahn]

You seem to be forgetting the surgury procedures over the past 15 years is light years ahead of anything done on the 70's and 80's. We see more and more players recovering inside a single season and returning to their pre-injury form. I'm not minimizing this topic. Merely pointing out that yeah guys are bigger, but procedures are much improved as is the playing surfaces today's players play on are vastly superior to that of the 80's/90's.

The procedures in regards to recovery maybe faster. But that is less to do with the surgery and more to do with the advancements in physical therapy. Trauma is still trauma and will have long tern effects. When they tell these guys oh this is minor it makes it seem arbitrary. We are arguing short term player gain vs long term quality of life. DO I want Carp back heck yes I do. Do I want there to be a young man who is living in misery because he was sold snake oil? No sir I do not. If we were talking about a vet who had 10 years in the league I wonder if you would side with me. You forget these are all young guys even when they retire when they do. A ten year vet can still be only 31 years old.