Can the Seahawks compete with the Niners?

[MizzouHawkGal]

So the general consensus seems to be that we'll be competitive, but we don't have much of a shot at overtaking them. So the real question we should be asking is, what do we have to do to get over that hump? If red zone scoring is an issue, then what weapons do we need? Better qb? Kittle/McCafferty clones? And if coverage D is an issue, how do we fix that? Seriously, how do we get there? Everything should be on the table. No sacred cows. If we don't have a solid plan to get there, it will never happen.

A new coach with a modern offensively minded philosophy with a real DC running a far more agressive defensive scheme and philosophy.

We have the talent it's about the coaches and the philosophy at this point.

 

[MyrtleHawk]

A new coach with a modern offensively minded philosophy with a real DC running a far more agressive defensive scheme and philosophy.

We have the talent it's about the coaches and the philosophy at this point.

(Genuine Question) Do you have any specific coaches in mind, or is that it?

 

[Dvl Dug]

The only way this 2023 Hawk's team defeats the 49'ers this year is if the 49'er's lose all the quarterbacks again, and that is not very likely.

Way different conversation if one is discussing these two teams maybe 2 to 3 years from now. Seahawks will still be a young team, but the 49'ers will be tripping over sand bags & falling from their bicycle.

 

[Maelstrom787]

A new coach with a modern offensively minded philosophy with a real DC running a far more agressive defensive scheme and philosophy.

We have the talent it's about the coaches and the philosophy at this point.

"Offensive minded philosophy"

Like what? The coordinator can't do this?

"More aggressive defensive scheme"

Like what? What is the particular change to make here, and how is it correlated with success?

Lots of broad strokes, but the world is nuanced.

 

[Jac]

"Offensive minded philosophy"

Like what? The coordinator can't do this?

"More aggressive defensive scheme"

Like what? What is the particular change to make here, and how is it correlated with success?

Lots of broad strokes, but the world is nuanced.

It's amazing how pretty much every new defensive coordinator in history say that they're going to run a more aggressive scheme than their predecessor. And get more hats on the ball, etc...

 

[rjdriver]

Brock Purdy is a surprising but legitimate MVP candidate this year.

Let me say that again...MVP of the entire NFL.

He makes $870,000 a year which constitutes .38% of the cap (not 38%, not 3.8%, but .38% or less than 1/2 of 1 percent).

That leaves a lot of cheddar to throw around everywhere else. IMO, that's the difference right now. Not coaching, not scheme, not play calling. We have done as well as anyone could have the last few years in developing a competitive team.

We don't have to do anything to compete with the Niner in the upcoming years. It will happen organically when Purdy gets a Burrow plus one deal.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

I still think, it’s collecting a group of talented players that wins the games and is more important than coaching.

Coaching is important, but, you can be the greatest coach of all-time (Belichick is believed to be), but if you don’t have the talented players (Belichick is terrible at drafting), you will no longer win consistently (Belichick is not winning now).

Carroll, has proved that before the last two drafts, the players he drafted were not as talented and the team clearly suffered (been mediocre/just above mediocre for the past 7 years or so) for a long time since the Super Bowl against the Patriots.

We are just starting to see a “real significant” change in the quality of the team with the last two drafts, significantly, impacting by infusing much needed young talent to this team.

I think if Carroll and Schneider continue to have great drafts, it’ll take another 2 drafts before Seattle is a legit Super Bowl contender.

Basically, the start of the 2025 season, Seattle should be on pace to being an elite team and overtaking the Niners and possibly the Rams for overall NFC West supremacy.

So, be patient, and give it two more years of solid drafting…hopefully.

 

[Fade]

If the game were tonight, I don’t think the Seahawks could pull it off. They could hang with them better than most any other team. Just the weirdness of the NFCW. Rams own the Hawks, Niners own the Rams, Hawks own the Niners.

But what are the chances that bothe McCaffery and Purdy are still on the field come November? Very low. Shannahan’s QBs always get injured, and McCaffery is still taking too much of the running load.

Niners without either aren’t nearly as concerning.

Detroit is better than Cinci, even with a healthy Burrows. IMHO.

Came to post this.

Have you guys not watched the 49ers in the Kyle era?

Kyle injures his starting QB every year.

He also overworks his lead back, and he usually ends up injured as well.

CMC, is an incredible athlete, but he is not built like Earl Campbell, dude is gonna wear down or get injured (see his injury history.) at the rate they are using him.

The 9ers peaked early.

 

[Weadoption]

Came to post this.

Have you guys not watched the 49ers in the Kyle era?

Kyle injures his starting QB every year.

He also overworks his lead back, and he usually ends up injured as well.

CMC, is an incredible athlete, but he is not built like Earl Campbell, dude is gonna wear down or get injured (see his injury history.) at the rate they are using him.

The 9ers peaked early.

peaked?
peak is a strong word.
playing very well overall no doubt,
Bosa has started slow and the pass rush hasnt been as consistent, Purdy is still a rookie, jury still out on new RT but he’s hanging in there so far, too many penalties, Randy Gregory incoming, injuries will always play a part.
Lots of ways this could all go, for better or worse.
I hope injuries don’t end up being the difference, because the team as built right now is better than the 94 squad imo.

 

[knownone]

We might not be on the same tier as the Niners or Eagles, but we're definitely a contender. I mean, the Bengals made the Super Bowl with a 10-7 record. Why not us?

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Came to post this.

Have you guys not watched the 49ers in the Kyle era?

Kyle injures his starting QB every year.

He also overworks his lead back, and he usually ends up injured as well.

CMC, is an incredible athlete, but he is not built like Earl Campbell, dude is gonna wear down or get injured (see his injury history.) at the rate they are using him.

The 9ers peaked early.

Well, damn.

Lol, this is either a great post, if you are a Seattle fan, or a terrible post, if you like to watch a great NFL team the entire season.

I get Seattle and San Fran are rivals but Fade is essentially saying, “Just watch, the Niners, aren’t a marathon team…”

Lol, it’s funny, and it’s kind of sad.

Oh, well, Go Seahawks!

 

[12forlife]

(Genuine Question) Do you have any specific coaches in mind, or is that it?

Dan Quinn

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

"Offensive minded philosophy"

Like what? The coordinator can't do this?

"More aggressive defensive scheme"

Like what? What is the particular change to make here, and how is it correlated with success?

Lots of broad strokes, but the world is nuanced.

Seems not and as far as defense enough of the zone and no blitzing or no disguising the blitzing. The rule changes require your front 7 to generate pressure without the blitz if at all possible. You need to make the quarterback uncomfortable and get him off his spot given it's not allowed to punish receivers that run in the middle of the field like 2010-2015.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Seems not and as far as defense enough of the zone and no blitzing or no disguising the blitzing. The rule changes require your front 7 to generate pressure without the blitz if at all possible. You need to make the quarterback uncomfortable and get him off his spot given it's not allowed to punish receivers that run in the middle of the field like 2010-2015.

Every team in the NFL is predominantly a zone team. Not a single team runs man over 42% of the time, and even that is an outlier. Half of the teams in the NFL run less than 25% man coverage. That's modern defense.

As for the pressure - it seems like Seattle is doing much better in that regard this year, even while being the best run defense in the NFL and allowing under 3 YPC currently.

 

[cymatica]

I was just comparing schedules and it looks like the NFL deliberately set the 49ers up for a good start. They essentially had 4 home games in a row already and have an easy travel schedule. Seattle has to go back to the East Coast or Midwest almost every other week.

 

[DJ_CJ]

9ers are by far the best team with weapons galore. It’s a rivalry so it’s always going to be a slugfest. We can be in it but they have to have a clean game. Can’t afford to make mistakes against that team. We were in the 2nd game last year until Homer fumble before half. WC game got behind and looked doomed only to come right back and take the lead before the half. Long opening drive to start the second half and then Geno fumbled. Cant give a team like that any gifts and gotta stay on schedule.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Every team in the NFL is predominantly a zone team. Not a single team runs man over 42% of the time, and even that is an outlier. Half of the teams in the NFL run less than 25% man coverage. That's modern defense.

As for the pressure - it seems like Seattle is doing much better in that regard this year, even while being the best run defense in the NFL and allowing under 3 YPC currently.

I want to see that pass rush against a good team and quarterback then I will be with you more. I don't trust that Carolina or the Giants tell us anything in terms of where the Seahawks actually are.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Dan Quinn

I'm not against that but we would be running through the OC's like Pete does. Not for the same reasons because if you went that way you would definitely want to pair him with a top OC type.

 

[Fade]

@ my replies above...

BahhahahHHa.

CMC, leading the league in touches? Injured?!

You cannot give a scatback--workhorse touches, there are consequences for such foolishness.

Purdy is next.

Like I keep trying to tell you guys, Kyle never learns.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

(Genuine Question) Do you have any specific coaches in mind, or is that it?

Not yet. Maybe give Detroit's or Miami's OC a shot and see if you can steal Dan Quinn from the Cowboys.