BRADY/PATS PUNISHMENT OVER TURNED BY JUDGE. (Updated 9/3/15)

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Wasn't expecting picks. Hmmm. I'm not sure how I feel about this; I wanted more games taken from Brady, but I was not expecting anything organizational for penalties like the million bucks or the loss of picks.

I'd have liked harsher punishment for Brady, but I think I need some time to digest before I can honestly have an opinion on whether the overall punishment's too light or not.
 

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Perhaps the team punishments are handed down because of the other two staff involved.
 

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Seems about right if it doesn't get cut down on appeal. When all is said and done I think he should miss 4 games. I think the team penalties seem fair and will hopefully deter them from future questionable behavior, although I doubt it.
 
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NFL's statement and Troy Vincent's letter to Patriots and Tom Brady:

"The New England Patriots were notified today of the following discipline that has been imposed for violations of the NFL Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules relating to the use of under-inflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game of this past season:

For the violation of the playing rules and the failure to cooperate in the subsequent investigation, the New England Patriots are fined $1 million and will forfeit the club’s first-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft and the club’s fourth-round selection in the 2017 NFL Draft. If the Patriots have more than one selection in either of these rounds, the earlier selection shall be forfeited. The club may not trade or otherwise encumber these selections.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft advised Commissioner Roger Goodell last week that Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th. Neither of these individuals may be reinstated without the prior approval of NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent. If they are reinstated by the Patriots, Jastremski is prohibited from having any role in the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs to be used in NFL games during the 2015 season. McNally is barred from serving as a locker room attendant for the game officials, or having any involvement with the preparation, supervision, or handling of footballs or any other equipment on game day.

Quarterback Tom Brady will be suspended without pay for the first four games of the 2015 regular season for conduct detrimental to the integrity of the NFL. Brady may participate in all off-season, training camp and pre-season activities, including pre-season games.

Commissioner Goodell authorized the discipline that was imposed by NFL Executive President Troy Vincent, pursuant to the commissioner’s disciplinary authority under the NFL Constitution and Bylaws and the Collective Bargaining Agreement with the NFL Players Association.

“We reached these decisions after extensive discussion with Troy Vincent and many others,” Commissioner Goodell said. “We relied on the critical importance of protecting the integrity of the game and the thoroughness and independence of the Wells report.”

Following are excerpts from Troy Vincent’s letters to the Patriots and Tom Brady:

From Troy Vincent’s letter to the Patriots:
“On May 6th, independent investigator Ted Wells issued his report regarding the footballs used by the Patriots in this year’s AFC Championship Game. That report established that the footballs used by the Patriots were inflated at a level that did not satisfy the standard set forth in the NFL’s Official Playing Rules and that the condition of the footballs was the result of deliberate actions by employees of the Patriots. The activities of the Patriots’ employees were thoroughly documented in the report, including through a series of text messages and telephone communications, as well as evidence of a breach in pre-game protocol. In addition, the conclusions were supported by extensive scientific analysis, as detailed in the report.
“Based on the extensive record developed in the investigation and detailed in the Wells report, and after full consideration of this matter by the Commissioner and the Football Operations department, we have determined that the Patriots have violated the NFL's Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules, as well as the Official Playing Rules and the established guidelines for the preparation of game footballs set forth in the NFL’s Game Operations Policy Manual for Member Clubs. In making this determination, we have accepted the findings contained in the comprehensive report independently prepared by Mr. Wells and his colleagues.
“In determining that a violation occurred, we applied the standard of proof stated in the Integrity of the Game Policy: namely, preponderance of the evidence, meaning that ‘as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.’ This is a well-recognized legal standard, which is applied in courts and workplaces every day throughout the country. The evidence gathered during the investigation and reviewed in the report more than satisfy this standard and demonstrate an ongoing plan by at least certain Patriots’ employees to deflate footballs, to do so in a secretive manner after the game officials have certified the footballs as suitable for play, and to hide these activities even from their own supervisors.
“As you know, we regard violations of competitive rules as significant and deserving of a strong sanction, both to punish the actual violation and to deter misconduct in the future. In this case, the footballs were intentionally deflated in an effort to provide a competitive advantage to Tom Brady after having been certified by the game officials as being in compliance with the playing rules. While we cannot be certain when the activity began, the evidence suggests that January 18th was not the first and only occasion when this occurred, particularly in light of the evidence referring to deflation of footballs going back to before the beginning of the 2014 season.
“It is impossible to determine whether this activity had an effect on the outcome of games or what that effect was. There seems little question that the outcome of the AFC Championship Game was not affected. But this has never been a significant factor in assessing discipline. There are many factors which affect the outcome of a game. It is an inherently speculative exercise to try to assign specific weight to any one factor. The key consideration in any case like this is that the playing rules exist for a reason, and all clubs are entitled to expect that the playing rules will be followed by participating teams. Violations that diminish the league's reputation for integrity and fair play cannot be excused simply because the precise impact on the final score cannot be determined.
“Here, there are several factors that merit strong consideration in assessing discipline. The first is the club’s prior record. In 2007 the club and several individuals were sanctioned for videotaping signals of opposing defensive coaches in violation of the Constitution and Bylaws. Under the Integrity of the Game Policy, this prior violation of competitive rules was properly considered in determining the discipline in this case.
“Another important consideration identified in the Policy is ‘the extent to which the club and relevant individuals cooperated with the investigation.’ The Wells report identifies two significant failures in this respect. The first involves the refusal by the club’s attorneys to make Mr. McNally available for an additional interview, despite numerous requests by Mr. Wells and a cautionary note in writing of the club’s obligation to cooperate in the investigation. The second was the failure of Tom Brady to produce any electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information. Although we do not hold the club directly responsible for Mr. Brady’s refusal to cooperate, it remains significant that the quarterback of the team failed to cooperate fully with the investigation.
“Finally, it is significant that key witnesses – Mr. Brady, Mr. Jastremski, and Mr. McNally - were not fully candid during the investigation.
“In accepting the findings of the report, we note that the report identified no evidence of wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing on the part of any member of the coaching staff, including Head Coach Bill Belichick, or by any Patriots’ staff member other than Mr. Jastremski and Mr. McNally, including head equipment manager Dave Schoenfeld. Similarly, the Wells report is clear that Patriots ownership and executives did not participate in any way in the misconduct, or have knowledge of the misconduct.

“Nonetheless, it remains a fundamental principle that the club is responsible for the actions of club employees. This principle has been applied to many prior cases. Thus, while no discipline should or will be imposed personally on any owner or executive at the Patriots, discipline is appropriately imposed on the club.”

From Troy Vincent’s letter to Tom Brady:

“With respect to your particular involvement, the report established that there is substantial and credible evidence to conclude you were at least generally aware of the actions of the Patriots’ employees involved in the deflation of the footballs and that it was unlikely that their actions were done without your knowledge. Moreover, the report documents your failure to cooperate fully and candidly with the investigation, including by refusing to produce any relevant electronic evidence (emails, texts, etc.), despite being offered extraordinary safeguards by the investigators to protect unrelated personal information, and by providing testimony that the report concludes was not plausible and contradicted by other evidence.

“Your actions as set forth in the report clearly constitute conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the game of professional football. The integrity of the game is of paramount importance to everyone in our league, and requires unshakable commitment to fairness and compliance with the playing rules. Each player, no matter how accomplished and otherwise respected, has an obligation to comply with the rules and must be held accountable for his actions when those rules are violated and the public’s confidence in the game is called into question.”
 

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LolaRox":3rzxdljt said:
Seems about right if it doesn't get cut down on appeal. When all is said and done I think he should miss 4 games. I think the team penalties seem fair and will hopefully deter them from future questionable behavior, although I doubt it.

The league's been tough on reducing suspensions over the past year, so it'll be interesting to see if this one gets reduced.
 

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Eh, I guess I'll take. I will be livid if he appeals and wins or gets his suspension cut in half. I will rage. :229031_banghead:
 

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Not enough, Tommy flat out lied. I am ok with the rest, kind of, but he should have been suspended for more. If he had told the truth in the first place, I would have been ok with four.
 

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Full NFL statement

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... iscipline/

I like that the league office specifically said it wasn't even the proof that the deflated footballs resulted in a competitive advantage, it was the lying and refusal to cooperate............which is what most of us have been saying all along.

Just tell the truth and cooperate, stop with insulting everyone's common sense and intelligent by playing dumb, lying and being dickheads to the people investigating.
 

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A more appropriate punishment would have been for the two low-level grunt employees to have been suspended four games without pay. . . .

and for Captain Deflate himself, Tom Brady, to have been indefinitely suspended. . . or at least until he decides he wanted to share the contents of his phone with the NFL. . . . . .
 

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NFL is fully justified in this. It's unfortunate that a bunch of rabid New Englanders / Northeast media will make a lot of noise about this. If Brady wants to regain any public respect whatsoever, he should take the suspension like a man and call off the dogs.
 

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Sgt. Largent":2hllruql said:
Full NFL statement

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... iscipline/

I like that the league office specifically said it wasn't even the proof that the deflated footballs resulted in a competitive advantage, it was the lying and refusal to cooperate............which is what most of us have been saying all along.

Just tell the truth and cooperate, stop with insulting everyone's common sense and intelligent by playing dumb, lying and being dickheads to the people investigating.


I agree. It is the fact that he is suspended for "lying and refusal to cooperate" that is completely on him and was within his total control that actually makes this good. He can say he didn't cheat - he cannot say he did not lie and that he cooperated fully with the NFL investigation.
 

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DavidSeven":23y5l6ng said:
NFL is fully justified in this. It's unfortunate that a bunch of rabid New Englanders / Northeast media will make a lot of noise about this. If Brady wants to regain any public respect whatsoever, he should take the suspension like a man and call off the dogs.

That's what I told my buddy last week, Brady's got one more chance to save face and regain some integrity. If he continues down this road of being smug and defiant, no one outside of NE is going to ever give him his due..........just like Clemens, A-Rod, Bonds, etc.
 

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Four games sounds right to me given the lack of ironclad evidence of Brady's knowledge.

Love that they took a first-round pick in 2016 and a fourth-round pick in 2017 . . . cheers to the league for that.

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I'm glad (and a little surprised) to see the patriots losing both the cash and 2 draft picks. I am disappointed in Brady's suspension. I feel that if he'd cooperated 4 games would have been more than sufficient, but his lack of cooperation after the fact should add another 4 games to his suspension.

If Brady does appeal, the league needs to hold this suspension up. It's already a relatively minor suspension for the infractions.
 

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Tom laughed at the league when he spoke to Salem college last week. Not a smart move.

They laughed at the league by failing to cooperate for this whole process. Tom deserved even more.
 

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I honestly don't think that the deflation of the ball made a difference...

...but I guess a rule is a rule. If this were an isolated incident, NFL might not have dropped the hammer. The problem is that now it's an ongoing story of all the times the Pats have been caught.

As a Niner fan who has had my fair share of mud slung my way over the Debartolos, Salary cap stuff, etc, I can kinda see where Pats fans are coming from...

...but man. Ya gotta let this one go. Hand was in the cookie jar. No use saying the cookies were spoiled anyway. Point is you were taking them, not how good they tasted.
 

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Sgt. Largent":o3ypfmo5 said:
hawknation2015":o3ypfmo5 said:
HawkGA":o3ypfmo5 said:
Absolutely agree about Belichick. I don't see how Payton gets suspended for a whole year and Bill gets off Scot free. I think it may well happen, but it would be really crappy if it did.

There is a 0% chance Belichick gets suspended. The report did not implicate him, as there was no evidence tying him to the conspiracy. The text messages suggest Brady was trading signed memorabilia in exchange for deflated balls; they did not mention Belichick.

If plausible deniability didn't work for Payton, why does it work for Belichick?

If this was a corporation that just got busted, lack of institutional control over your employees is certainly a legal reason to suspend, fire and fine managers. It's why Payton got suspended, not knowing when your players are breaking the rules is not a valid excuse.

Maybe the seriousness, or lack thereof compared to paying players to hurt other players spares Belichick.........but idk, seems like Goodell would want to be consistent.

It's not a question of plausible deniability; it's a question of evidence. Right or wrong, the report did not find evidence that implicated Belichick. Personally, I think it is wrong; a control freak like Belichick probably did know about this scheme. Unfortunately, that's not what the investigation uncovered.

If they had found an email or a text to Belichick discussing the scheme (like they did with Payton), then there is no way he would have escaped a suspension.
 
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