BRADY/PATS PUNISHMENT OVER TURNED BY JUDGE. (Updated 9/3/15)

[ringless]

I originally felt the league would only punish Brady. I certainly didn't expect a first rounder to be taken from them. Which we don't know how severe of a punishment that will be yet since it will directly be a result of performance. I do think Brady's punishment is rather light. I think 8 games would haven about right. 4 games for cheating, and 4 games for lying. But the ultimate punishment is yet to be seen. Will he be voted into the HOF? Another thing to watch for this season will be....WHen Brady is in will he put up the same numbers he has been? Will the team have a increase in fumbles? If those two results change and are significantly different to the 9 prior years will Patriots fans explain it as circumstantial? Or will there beady little eyes open a little wider to the truth?

 

[ringless]

Also, to any Patriot fans who are lurking in addition to my previous post. I would just like to say for those of you who believe he is being suspended because he is "Good Looking" and with a super model wife those are things that would typically work for him.

It is proven people are most likely to be less hard, and more trusting on people that are good looking. They are able to earn more, and have more opporuntities. Therefore it is more probable than not that those would have worked in his favor. Considering the evidence and studies are thorough and suggest the opposite of your explanation for this investigation.

 

[kearly]

If Brady didn't turn over his phone even knowing he wasn't going to get away scot-free either way, his messages and calls must have been insanely incriminating.

I suspect that this could have been a slap on the wrist situation if Brady had admitted it immediately with humility and fully cooperated. The act put on by himself and Belichick blew it up into something much bigger. Not a bright move in today's outrage obsessed society.

I was hoping for a longer suspension given the Patriots' Nixonian handling of it, but I kind of expected it to be a bit light, since Goodell can relate to lying and cover ups.

 

[FanSince82]

Not long enough. 4 game would have been right if he hadn't cheated before and given up his phone.

He seems to have got no extra games for unrepentant cheating as a second offense, nor attempting to cover it up. Very disappointed. The only good thing is that they lose draft picks. Wasn't expecting that

 

[kearly]

It would be pretty funny if Jimmy Garoppolo started off white hot and Tom Brady was traded to Buffalo.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I couldn't help it. Salty Blount brought it out in me.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RageFury100/status/597900269859385345[/tweet]

 

[kidhawk]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/597899946289926144[/tweet]

Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:
“The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”

 

[DavidSeven]

Well, given that his agent is still spouting off nonsense, it looks like Brady is going the Clemons route and fighting this to the bitter end. So much for the high road.

 

[hawknation2015]

If Brady didn't turn over his phone even knowing he wasn't going to get away scot-free either way, his messages and calls must have been insanely incriminating.

I suspect that this could have been a slap on the wrist situation if Brady had admitted it immediately with humility and fully cooperated. The act put on by himself and Belichick blew it up into something much bigger. Not a bright move in today's outrage obsessed society.

I was hoping for a longer suspension given the Patriots' Nixonian handling of it, but I kind of expected it to be a bit light, since Goodell can relate to lying and cover ups.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Brady not turning over his phone -- or his hard drive or any other private data. I have many times objected to similarly overly-broad production requests. There is simply too much risk involved when a 3rd party gets their hands on such sensitive materials that encompass so much of an individual's private life. The next thing you know, every private detail of your life is on the internet.

To me, this says nothing about his guilt or lack of requisite cooperation. The text messages implicating him were much more damning, IMO.

 

[RedAlice]

I couldn't help it. Salty Blount brought it out in me.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RageFury100/status/597900269859385345[/tweet]

Nice.

 

[rigelian]

If Brady didn't turn over his phone even knowing he wasn't going to get away scot-free either way, his messages and calls must have been insanely incriminating.

I suspect that this could have been a slap on the wrist situation if Brady had admitted it immediately with humility and fully cooperated. The act put on by himself and Belichick blew it up into something much bigger. Not a bright move in today's outrage obsessed society.

I was hoping for a longer suspension given the Patriots' Nixonian handling of it, but I kind of expected it to be a bit light, since Goodell can relate to lying and cover ups.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Brady not turning over his phone -- or his hard drive or any other private data. I have many times objected to similarly overly-broad production requests. There is simply too much risk involved when a 3rd party gets their hands on such sensitive materials that encompass so much of an individual's private life. The next thing you know, every private detail of your life is on the internet.

To me, this says nothing about his guilt or lack of requisite cooperation. The text messages implicating him were much more damning, IMO.

Wells' team proposed that Brady's private lawyer go through his cell phone and email and only deliver texts and emails that were relevant to the inquiry. Brady rejected this compromise.

 

[Hawks46]

I honestly don't think that the deflation of the ball made a difference...

...but I guess a rule is a rule. If this were an isolated incident, NFL might not have dropped the hammer. The problem is that now it's an ongoing story of all the times the Pats have been caught.

As a Niner fan who has had my fair share of mud slung my way over the Debartolos, Salary cap stuff, etc, I can kinda see where Pats fans are coming from...

...but man. Ya gotta let this one go. Hand was in the cookie jar. No use saying the cookies were spoiled anyway. Point is you were taking them, not how good they tasted.

It's been proven that there is a correlation between balls with less air in them and less fumbles. The Patriots have been near the top of the league in fewest fumbles for quite a while now, and it's fairly evident that Brady has been having the balls deflated since 2007.

My line of thinking is: if it's not that big of a deal, then why cheat and deflate the balls ? If it's not that big of a competitive advantage, why lie about it and not come clean?

I feel like others here: 4 games seems fair, IF it stays at 4 games. I think it will be plead down to 2 games, so I think the NFL should've hit Tom for 8 games.

 

[DavidSeven]

If Brady didn't turn over his phone even knowing he wasn't going to get away scot-free either way, his messages and calls must have been insanely incriminating.

I suspect that this could have been a slap on the wrist situation if Brady had admitted it immediately with humility and fully cooperated. The act put on by himself and Belichick blew it up into something much bigger. Not a bright move in today's outrage obsessed society.

I was hoping for a longer suspension given the Patriots' Nixonian handling of it, but I kind of expected it to be a bit light, since Goodell can relate to lying and cover ups.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Brady not turning over his phone -- or his hard drive or any other private data. I have many times objected to similarly overly-broad production requests. There is simply too much risk involved when a 3rd party gets their hands on such sensitive materials that encompass so much of an individual's private life. The next thing you know, every private detail of your life is on the internet.

To me, this says nothing about his guilt or lack of requisite cooperation. The text messages implicating him were much more damning, IMO.

I'm sure an attorney of Tom's choosing could have overseen the production, and I'm guessing what they actually pull off the phone would've been limited by search terms and/or recipients/senders. Unless he was sending naked selfies to the two ball boys, I honestly don't see reason for concern from a leak/privacy standpoint.

 

[twisted_steel2]

I couldn't help it. Salty Blount brought it out in me.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RageFury100/status/597900269859385345[/tweet]

Hahahahaha. :lol:

Please please Blount start responding.

 

[hawknation2015]

If Brady didn't turn over his phone even knowing he wasn't going to get away scot-free either way, his messages and calls must have been insanely incriminating.

I suspect that this could have been a slap on the wrist situation if Brady had admitted it immediately with humility and fully cooperated. The act put on by himself and Belichick blew it up into something much bigger. Not a bright move in today's outrage obsessed society.

I was hoping for a longer suspension given the Patriots' Nixonian handling of it, but I kind of expected it to be a bit light, since Goodell can relate to lying and cover ups.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with Brady not turning over his phone -- or his hard drive or any other private data. I have many times objected to similarly overly-broad production requests. There is simply too much risk involved when a 3rd party gets their hands on such sensitive materials that encompass so much of an individual's private life. The next thing you know, every private detail of your life is on the internet.

To me, this says nothing about his guilt or lack of requisite cooperation. The text messages implicating him were much more damning, IMO.

Wells' team proposed that Brady's private lawyer go through his cell phone and email and only deliver texts and emails that were relevant to the inquiry. Brady rejected this compromise.

If he had no knowledge of this, as he claims, then there wouldn't be any messages. Right?

 

[DJrmb]

The punishment seems fitting IF it holds up. However I think they probably should have padded it a little making it 6 games with the expectation it will get appealed down being "Tom Terrific" is such the Golden Boy...

 

[scutterhawk]

Isn't that precious?!!,, looks like he learned to dance while watching my Grandaughter :lol:

 

[seaNOmercy]

I think they should be forced forfeit their championship(s).

Bottom line is the integrity of the game has been tarnished and the NFL is saying that you can be rewarded for cheating, that the opportunity outweighs the cost. Trading a 4 game suspension, 2 draft picks, and a million bucks for a championship is CLEARLY too light.

At least that's how I see it...

 

[Hawk-Lock]

The punishment seems fair. As a hawks fan, I'm okay with this punishment. I'm glad to see that the league punished both Brady (4-game suspension) and the team (losing their 2016 1st round draft pick).

Before all this news came out, I thought Pats were a fringe playoff team, now I think they miss the playoffs. Patriots have lost a ton of talent this offseason and have added close to nothing. Not to mention the Dolphins, Bills and Jets have gotten significantly better this offseason. It wouldn't surprise me if NE finished 3rd in their division.

 

[ringless]

From my understanding of the Pats forums, 95% of them are done with the NFL altogether. Lets see if they are liars too lol