Belicheat confirmed...Deflate-gate

[bjornanderson21]

My early prediction for the penalty imposed on Patriots is that they lose AN ENTIRE DRAFT.

ZERO DRAFT PICKS.

 

[NFSeahawks]

Foreshadowing

 

[GoPatsSB49]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CGasparino/status/558001551001018368[/tweet]

Now that would be severe! I wouldn't be surprised of some games next year. But that would be huge!!! Goodell does have to look strong though because of all the crud he went through earlier this year with all the player misconduct stuff. People were asking for his head.

Goodall needs to not overreact. If the rulebook says $25,000 fine (not limited to it), you can't just jump to a SB suspension. If it turns out that the Patriots indeed tampered with the football AFTER (which does make a huge difference) they were approved by the officials, I would expect discipline no harsher than that of Spygate.

He can do whatever he wants he's the boss.

GL in SB 49

Troll face.

You say that, until Marshawn Lynch gets suspended for 4 games for not talking to the media. Then you'll be concerned with over-punishment, I'm sure.

 

[lukerguy]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12205404

This is stunning to see players react to the difference.

 

[homerun1970]

Yes Marshawn not talking to the media gives the Seahawks a competitive advantage. If he were to talk he would have less air with which to go beast mode it is all about conservation for the game.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

Goodall needs to not overreact. If the rulebook says $25,000 fine (not limited to it), you can't just jump to a SB suspension. If it turns out that the Patriots indeed tampered with the football AFTER (which does make a huge difference) they were approved by the officials, I would expect discipline no harsher than that of Spygate.

Concur mostly. Except that this is at least a second offense. Expect something similar to the bounty scandal the Saints were involved with. I'm not entirely comfortable with a Super Bowl suspension because a) it's a really, really quick reaction, and there should be more time and effort given to investigating this right, and b) because it would taint and alter the biggest game of the year, sending all sorts of negative ripples through the league.

 

[GoPatsSB49]

Yes Marshawn not talking to the media gives the Seahawks a competitive advantage. If he were to talk he would have less air with which to go beast mode it is all about conservation for the game.

I feel like you are missing the point. No, you are missing the point. I was addressing that Goodell shouldn't overreact with his discipline. You said "He's the man he does what he wants!" Well, what if he wants to suspend Lynch for not talking to the media? Would your tone change then?

 

[StoneCold]

Reports out that the Colts told the NFL about this in mid November 2014 about the deflated footballs.

There are reports out now that the Ravens knew about deflated footballs and didn't want to be the snitches (Ozzie Newsome and Belichick are tight) so they gave the Colts the green light to leak it.

Also, it's been discussed that the Ravens gave the Colts their playbook before the game. Obviously that didn't work.

But if the league knew about this then why did they wait till after the AFC title game to release this info?

If the Pats wouldn't have won the game and the Ravens or Colts knocked the Pats out of the playoffs would this have been leaked?

None of what you've said has any meaning. Someone in the Pats organization deflated the balls after the refs checked them.

SC

I would love to see proof of this.

So would I and to you, a reasonable person, I will give a reasonable response. To all appearances the balls were tested and passed and after that they turned up deflated. Upon further investigation we may find that the testing was flawed, or the equipment used to inflate and test the balls was defective. Reasonable people will wait until they finish the investigation.

SC

 

[GoPatsSB49]

Goodall needs to not overreact. If the rulebook says $25,000 fine (not limited to it), you can't just jump to a SB suspension. If it turns out that the Patriots indeed tampered with the football AFTER (which does make a huge difference) they were approved by the officials, I would expect discipline no harsher than that of Spygate.

Concur mostly. Except that this is at least a second offense. Expect something similar to the bounty scandal the Saints were involved with. I'm not entirely comfortable with a Super Bowl suspension because a) it's a really, really quick reaction, and there should be more time and effort given to investigating this right, and b) because it would taint and alter the biggest game of the year, sending all sorts of negative ripples through the league.

Right, it being a second offense is precisely why it should be no more than the $750,000 fine and first round pick loss. If it turns out to be a $500,000 fine and 2nd round pick loss then cool, whatever. You can't penalize someone for DUI with 2 years of prison and a $50,000 fine and then 7 years later when they do 15 over the speed limit, give them 4 years of prison time and a $200,000 fine. They were both instances of cheating, but this one is being blown way out of proportion (much mores than Spygate, but I've run that argument a trillion times and nobody's mind ever changes)

 

[hawk45]

just a lot of shit about nothing. just like Spygate.

I personally believe Belichick is too smart to risk losing draft picks and money over nothing, but if you say he's an idiot who am I to argue.

Bob Kraft called him an idiot for Spygate. When I say nothing I mean no advantage. Spygate was not about filming other coaching staffs. They all do it. It was about filming them from your own sideline. It's perfectly legal to do it from the stands or pressbox as long as its undercover. It became an issue because Eric Mangina had an issue with BB and wanted to break his balls.

This ball shit is just that shit. If the PSI of balls was so important than ALL the balls in ALL the games would be controlled and measured before and after. How do you know Roger's balls weren't overinflated last Sunday. You don't. You have no idea because it's not important.

I'm glad most of the Hawk fans I have read here care more about just smashing Brady's pretty face in than his balls. Leave the whining to the fag Jet fans.

Lack of monitoring can be a sign that a particular behavior is of not importance. It can also be a sign that someone hasn't been caught cheating in a specific way yet.

I think it confers some advantage or Belichick wouldn't do it. Not enough of an advantage to wipe out all of NE's success, but that isn't the bar it has to clear. Is a player taking Adderall a significant advantage? Doesn't matter. Once it's been caught the governing body has zero choice but to punish.

Even if we as fans agree this isn't a huge deal I know you don't believe the league sees it that way. This is the league that just threatened to eject a player for their shoe color. You're sweating Goodell's reaction to this, and so are we. If you lose draft picks or something, that's NE's tragedy and I don't really care. If he gets yanked from the Superbowl (cannot imagine that would actually happen) that's everybody's tragedy, even Seahawk fans.

 

[NFSeahawks]

 

[Anonymous]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12205404

This is stunning to see players react to the difference.

That's a very interesting video.

 

[Our Man in Chicago]

Goodall needs to not overreact. If the rulebook says $25,000 fine (not limited to it), you can't just jump to a SB suspension. If it turns out that the Patriots indeed tampered with the football AFTER (which does make a huge difference) they were approved by the officials, I would expect discipline no harsher than that of Spygate.

Concur mostly. Except that this is at least a second offense. Expect something similar to the bounty scandal the Saints were involved with. I'm not entirely comfortable with a Super Bowl suspension because a) it's a really, really quick reaction, and there should be more time and effort given to investigating this right, and b) because it would taint and alter the biggest game of the year, sending all sorts of negative ripples through the league.

The game is already mildly tainted. As long as the NFL has time to correctly assess the matter (this might be legitimately well after the Super Bowl, mind you), then the NFL only has more face to lose by sitting on their final judgement or any potential penalties (see: Rice, Ray).

That this will potentially chew the full 2-week vacuum before the Super Bowl as details trickle out will only make matters worse for the Shield. As long as there is no rush to punish before the rest of the facts are in, the NFL should move ASAP.

Having said all that, I would be totally shocked if there were any suspensions of players or personnel prior to the Super Bowl. I just don't think that will happen.

 

[homerun1970]

Yes Marshawn not talking to the media gives the Seahawks a competitive advantage. If he were to talk he would have less air with which to go beast mode it is all about conservation for the game.

I feel like you are missing the point. No, you are missing the point. I was addressing that Goodell shouldn't overreact with his discipline. You said "He's the man he does what he wants!" Well, what if he wants to suspend Lynch for not talking to the media? Would your tone change then?

It wasnt me that said that but I will play along. Rodger has varied wildly in his responses to different situations. I see a very large difference between off the field antics and something that has an effect on the game in progress. I also think that as Roland from here would tell you Rodger is a mouthpiece for the owners. How many of them have been slighted or could possibly feel cheated by the Pats. During the two scandals he has probably used up all of the good will of the owners including Kraft who called him out over spygate. I wont be suprised if it is much harsher than most expect.

 

[Msfann]

http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/roger-goodell-robert-kraft-photo-deflategate/

Rog with Kraft before AFC Title Game....

No way Rog drops the hammer on his good buddy Kraft.

You gotta give it up for that old bastard Krafty. Look at that on his arm. Not bad for an old guy.

It's because he's a billonaire, some chicks will do anything to get rich.

Did Goodell piss his pants?

 

[bostonhardo]

My question for all the people who want some severe punishment revolves around the implementation of the rule and how it is enforced. Lets look at some facts.

If I understand the procedure once the balls are measured by the refs 2 1/2 hours pregame they are in the possession of the teams ball boys. Are they guarded at all times? If not there is no proof of continuity of possession. Anybody, maybe a Seahawks fan, could tinker with the balls.

How is this rule applied evenly to all teams? What were the test results for the other 84 certified balls used last week ? Did all the Seahawks balls fall within an allowable range? Doesn't the rule have to apply evenly to all teams?

 

[GoPatsSB49]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12205404

This is stunning to see players react to the difference.

That's a very interesting video.

Would've been more interesting if you gave those two balls to two unsuspecting people and didn't tell them the focus of the exercise was the ball pressure. Of course when you have a deflated ball compared to a "regular" inflated ball, and make it the point of your conversation what the advantages would be, it's going to be easy to tell.

 

[huskylawyer]

So was listening to ESPN Radio (and perhaps this has been discussed on here), but the Patriots had big time fumbling issues last year (with Brady being the biggest offender) and mostly resolved them this year. Think this played a part in the Patriots' shenanigans (along with Brady's diminishing arm strength and the quit hit passing game (balls coming in harder to WRs within 10 yards of line of scrimmage, i.e., deflated balls easier to catch with transition to short passing game)).

 

[GoPatsSB49]

Yes Marshawn not talking to the media gives the Seahawks a competitive advantage. If he were to talk he would have less air with which to go beast mode it is all about conservation for the game.

I feel like you are missing the point. No, you are missing the point. I was addressing that Goodell shouldn't overreact with his discipline. You said "He's the man he does what he wants!" Well, what if he wants to suspend Lynch for not talking to the media? Would your tone change then?

It wasnt me that said that but I will play along. Rodger has varied wildly in his responses to different situations. I see a very large difference between off the field antics and something that has an effect on the game in progress. I also think that as Roland from here would tell you Rodger is a mouthpiece for the owners. How many of them have been slighted or could possibly feel cheated by the Pats. During the two scandals he has probably used up all of the good will of the owners including Kraft who called him out over spygate. I wont be suprised if it is much harsher than most expect.

I wouldn't be surprised either. The guy is about as predictable as the bounce of a football. I'm just saying what he shouldn't do. A harsh punishment should be levied if it can be proved the Patriots altered their own balls after the officials inspected them. But not to the level that they were punished for Spygate, in my opinion

 

[GoPatsSB49]

So was listening to ESPN Radio (and perhaps this has been discussed on here), but the Patriots had big time fumbling issues last year (with Brady being the biggest offender) and mostly resolved them this year. Think this played a part in the Patriots' shenanigans (along with Brady's diminishing arm strength and the quit hit passing game (balls coming in harder to WRs within 10 yards of line of scrimmage, i.e., deflated balls easier to catch with transition to short passing game)).

Probably had to do with Ridley being injured and not contributing to a lot of those fumbles