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Most overrated player in the NFL. Constantly gets talked about as if hes the next aaron rodgers. throws more picks than any QB and nothing special about him. Tyrod taylor is better than him
TheRealDTM":js51i83r said:WilsonMVP":js51i83r said:Hawk-Lock":js51i83r said:StoneCold":js51i83r said:Early Gore was ripping off some big runs. Almost everyone was called back by holding. Luck never had time to throw. Indy ahs the worst O line I've seen this year. Still Luck tossed up some poor decisions that got picked. If I'm the coach I'm none to happy to with that.
I think it goes to show that the QB can be good, but without a good or even a decent Oline, they can look crappy. RW has not looked that good this year either. Not as bad as Luck, but not good.
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The Oline doesn't help him at all, but the fact that the Indy defense is so bad he feels like he has to force the ball down field to give his team a chance. If RW played with an awful defense, I think we would see his INT's increase.
The Colts GM should be fired. Acquiring both Andre Johnson and Phillip Dorsett made no sense.
So when its 0-0 its the defenses fault he throws what was almost a pick six...mhhmmm :roll:
Since the start of LAST year Luck leads the entire NFL in total turnovers. I dont care what the supporting cast is around you that makes you an average QB at best and its not like the trend gets better in the playoffs. In the same ammount of games in the playoffs Sanchez has the same ammount of TDs as Luck with WAY WAY less turnovers
Im sure this will get bumped in the next couple weeks though because he has to go through 3 games against the Titans, Jags and Texans and im sure he and the colts will win at least 2 of them
When it was 0-0 the pick bounced up and off the hands of Andre Johnson. If that happened to RW no one would be blaming him.
Ambrose83":166ik36o said:Can someone please tell me why everyone loves this guy? I have said he is overrated more then anyone. .. ever.. dudes a turnover machine. .. he always gets the pass... they win.. it's luck.. they lose ..he has no weapons... sorry, his line is still better then ours, gore was supposed to fix the running game and Johnson was a huge pick up. They have played 2 teams with nfc west quality ds and luck has looked ridiculous. . How long does it take to admit that joke of a div pats his stats.
Scottemojo":u6pvu9rz said:Luck is damn talented. So much so that he trusts his talent too much, why else would he challenge Revis while throwing falling backwards. Also, lets not forget that all those stats are racked with one of the leagues easiest schedules. However, his last three real games have been vs the Pats, Bills, and Jets, who have a guy who was part of the Pats game. Three good secondaries, 3 ugly losses. Makes you wonder what his numbers would be if he didn't get 6 freebies a year vs the all turd division.
I heard more than one pundit guarantee he would be MVP this year. Maybe Luck believed what he heard too.
Ambrose83":3dsozv81 said:Can someone please tell me why everyone loves this guy?
Popeyejones":2gb5w6lu said:Ambrose83":2gb5w6lu said:Can someone please tell me why everyone loves this guy?
Many different factors:
*That he was supposed to be the best QB prospect in forever and has generally played well definitely plays a role.
*That he turned around a 2-14 Colts team into an 11-5 Colts team in his first year definitely plays a role.
* That the Colts have gone 11-5 and made the playoffs every year he has played definitely plays a role
* That save for a few guys (Davis, Castonzo, Hilton, Mathis), none of whom are even remotely in the conversation for being a top player at their position, save for Luck the Colts don't really have any players that the rest of the league envies definitely plays a role.
* That last year he led the league in TD passes and was #3 in yards (really hard to argue that he wasn't better than 2/3rds of the holy trinity of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers) definitely plays a role.
* That he does a lot of little things very well that almost all young QBs usually aren't good at well definitely plays a role.
* That he's easily the most complete QB of all the young QBs definitely plays a role.
* That the hangup for him is turnovers, but most experts don't just look at end of year stats and look at int. RATES (for which he was 27th in the league, right there with Manning) definitely plays a role.
*That professional analysts aren't all Seahawks fans and don't have a weird hangup about Andrew Luck and/or implicitly believe that complimenting Luck's ability somehow takes away from Russell Wilson also plays a role.
:th2thumbs:
The all turd division talk has merit for one reason: it explains why he is so bad in the playoffs.
I would love him as QB of my team, and I enjoy watching him and his brand of football. But he is 12-0 vs his 3 patty cakes the last two years, and pretty much .500 vs the rest of the league. and even worse in January.
EDIT: FWIW I also find the argument about his division to be really shallow. Like everyone else he only gets to play in the division and schemes he gets to play in. It's like saying Sherman is overrated because he's protected by ET3 and doesn't have to shadow, or Wilson is overrated because of the Hawks D and Lynch. If someone doesn't like those arguments, they shouldn't like the Luck divisional argument either. Within the confines of who he's asked to play, and what he's asked to do, he's really, really, really good. It's no different than what I'd say about Sherman or Wilson.
Popeyejones":jz7h96gy said:Many different factors:
*That he was supposed to be the best QB prospect in forever and has generally played well definitely plays a role.
*That he turned around a 2-14 Colts team into an 11-5 Colts team in his first year definitely plays a role.
* That the Colts have gone 11-5 and made the playoffs every year he has played definitely plays a role
* That save for a few guys (Davis, Castonzo, Hilton, Mathis), none of whom are even remotely in the conversation for being a top player at their position, save for Luck the Colts don't really have any players that the rest of the league envies definitely plays a role.
* That last year he led the league in TD passes and was #3 in yards (really hard to argue that he wasn't better than 2/3rds of the holy trinity of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers) definitely plays a role.
* That he does a lot of little things very well that almost all young QBs usually aren't good at well definitely plays a role.
* That he's easily the most complete QB of all the young QBs definitely plays a role.
* That the hangup for him is turnovers, but most experts don't just look at end of year stats and look at int. RATES (for which he was 27th in the league, right there with Manning) definitely plays a role.
*That professional analysts aren't all Seahawks fans and don't have a weird hangup about Andrew Luck and/or implicitly believe that complimenting Luck's ability somehow takes away from Russell Wilson also plays a role.
:th2thumbs:
EDIT: FWIW I also find the argument about his division to be really shallow. Like everyone else he only gets to play in the division and schemes he gets to play in. It's like saying Sherman is overrated because he's protected by ET3 and doesn't have to shadow, or Wilson is overrated because of the Hawks D and Lynch. If someone doesn't like those arguments, they shouldn't like the Luck divisional argument either. Within the confines of who he's asked to play, and what he's asked to do, he's really, really, really good. It's no different than what I'd say about Sherman or Wilson.
SeahawksFanForever":2ny9el4g said:Popeyejones":2ny9el4g said:Many different factors:
*That he was supposed to be the best QB prospect in forever and has generally played well definitely plays a role.
*That he turned around a 2-14 Colts team into an 11-5 Colts team in his first year definitely plays a role.
* That the Colts have gone 11-5 and made the playoffs every year he has played definitely plays a role
* That save for a few guys (Davis, Castonzo, Hilton, Mathis), none of whom are even remotely in the conversation for being a top player at their position, save for Luck the Colts don't really have any players that the rest of the league envies definitely plays a role.
* That last year he led the league in TD passes and was #3 in yards (really hard to argue that he wasn't better than 2/3rds of the holy trinity of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers) definitely plays a role.
* That he does a lot of little things very well that almost all young QBs usually aren't good at well definitely plays a role.
* That he's easily the most complete QB of all the young QBs definitely plays a role.
* That the hangup for him is turnovers, but most experts don't just look at end of year stats and look at int. RATES (for which he was 27th in the league, right there with Manning) definitely plays a role.
*That professional analysts aren't all Seahawks fans and don't have a weird hangup about Andrew Luck and/or implicitly believe that complimenting Luck's ability somehow takes away from Russell Wilson also plays a role.
:th2thumbs:
EDIT: FWIW I also find the argument about his division to be really shallow. Like everyone else he only gets to play in the division and schemes he gets to play in. It's like saying Sherman is overrated because he's protected by ET3 and doesn't have to shadow, or Wilson is overrated because of the Hawks D and Lynch. If someone doesn't like those arguments, they shouldn't like the Luck divisional argument either. Within the confines of who he's asked to play, and what he's asked to do, he's really, really, really good. It's no different than what I'd say about Sherman or Wilson.
Great post.
Andrew Luck is one of the best QB's in this league. No argument there, I mean just watch Colts vs Seahawks 2013 game. He was making plays that I don't think any other QB in this league can make other than Rodgers. I have always been impressed with Luck but doing what he did against that historically good defense was something else. Colts are lucky to go from Manning to Luck.
SeahawksFanForever":35jqxtse said:Popeyejones":35jqxtse said:Many different factors:
*That he was supposed to be the best QB prospect in forever and has generally played well definitely plays a role.
*That he turned around a 2-14 Colts team into an 11-5 Colts team in his first year definitely plays a role.
* That the Colts have gone 11-5 and made the playoffs every year he has played definitely plays a role
* That save for a few guys (Davis, Castonzo, Hilton, Mathis), none of whom are even remotely in the conversation for being a top player at their position, save for Luck the Colts don't really have any players that the rest of the league envies definitely plays a role.
* That last year he led the league in TD passes and was #3 in yards (really hard to argue that he wasn't better than 2/3rds of the holy trinity of Manning, Brady, and Rodgers) definitely plays a role.
* That he does a lot of little things very well that almost all young QBs usually aren't good at well definitely plays a role.
* That he's easily the most complete QB of all the young QBs definitely plays a role.
* That the hangup for him is turnovers, but most experts don't just look at end of year stats and look at int. RATES (for which he was 27th in the league, right there with Manning) definitely plays a role.
*That professional analysts aren't all Seahawks fans and don't have a weird hangup about Andrew Luck and/or implicitly believe that complimenting Luck's ability somehow takes away from Russell Wilson also plays a role.
:th2thumbs:
EDIT: FWIW I also find the argument about his division to be really shallow. Like everyone else he only gets to play in the division and schemes he gets to play in. It's like saying Sherman is overrated because he's protected by ET3 and doesn't have to shadow, or Wilson is overrated because of the Hawks D and Lynch. If someone doesn't like those arguments, they shouldn't like the Luck divisional argument either. Within the confines of who he's asked to play, and what he's asked to do, he's really, really, really good. It's no different than what I'd say about Sherman or Wilson.
Great post.
Andrew Luck is one of the best QB's in this league. No argument there, I mean just watch Colts vs Seahawks 2013 game. He was making plays that I don't think any other QB in this league can make other than Rodgers. I have always been impressed with Luck but doing what he did against that historically good defense was something else. Colts are lucky to go from Manning to Luck.
WilsonMVP":rvr6xh2r said:I said earlier in the year last year when Luck was off to a hot start how he could throw 60TDs and I wouldnt care that all that would matter is the playoffs and if he wasnt a turnover machine again. Well, he didnt dissapoint
If you want to go by INT%...reg season is 2.5 and playoffs jump up to 4.6...YIKES....And his TD percentage goes down from 4.7 to 3.5.
Wilson btw...regular season 2.1 int percentage going up to 3 in the playoffs (outside of GB game he has 1 hailmary int against falcons and the last play of the superbowl) in 8 playoff games
His TD % is 5.7 and goes up to 5.9 in the playoffs
DavidSeven":2h7heysj said:*I put no stock in the Colts pre-Luck/post-Luck records as an indication of his abilities. They tanked on purpose in 2011, and they've been beating up on cupcakes ever since. The Rams would be coming off their third consecutive division championship if they played there. Conversely, the Colts are probably a perennial 6-10 team in the last three years of the NFC West.
*I don't put much stock in his raw numbers or his fantasy value. Often he puts up impressive yardage by simply getting out of a hole he dug for himself. Great QBs don't force these opportunities upon themselves as often as he does. INTs are excusable given the right context, but the manner and timing in which he gets them usually aren't of the excusable variety.
*Here's what I put stock in: when I watch him throw, I'm often wow'ed. The variation on the types of throws he makes, his ability to move, see the field, and step up in the pocket are all probably at elite level. I get the same feeling when I watch Aaron Rodgers, except Aaron Rodgers doesn't make mistakes. And that's what sets him and Brady and Manning apart from Luck. They'll eat a series to avoid a mistake. I'm not sure Luck has learned that lesson yet.
Ambrose83":3cfonl6j said:TheRealDTM":3cfonl6j said:He is a great QB who is responsible for the entire offense. He does all of the line protections and has complete audible control of the offense, he was constantly making the right calls tonight and got overwhelmed by a top 5 defense. The picks were all in 1v1 situations and the first that put them in a hole was off of Andre Johnsons hands. His team was down and he was trying to get them back in it.
None of his picks were as inexcusable as the RW screen pass int.
So the Jets are a top 5 d now?
Hawks46":v9cgykr2 said:Ambrose83":v9cgykr2 said:TheRealDTM":v9cgykr2 said:He is a great QB who is responsible for the entire offense. He does all of the line protections and has complete audible control of the offense, he was constantly making the right calls tonight and got overwhelmed by a top 5 defense. The picks were all in 1v1 situations and the first that put them in a hole was off of Andre Johnsons hands. His team was down and he was trying to get them back in it.
None of his picks were as inexcusable as the RW screen pass int.
So the Jets are a top 5 d now?
Uh, yea. Yes they are.
Luck is trying to do too much right now. He's pressing. Pagano actually got into it with their GM over personnel. Pagano wasn't happy about drafting Dorsett in the 1st when he wanted some defense. If the HC is pissed about how the team is getting set up, then you know it's not a good situation.