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Guaranteed some fans are not going to like this. But it's the offseason, and entertaining nonetheless.
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These two guys, they nailed Hollywood Russ.hoxrox":358tl2bw said:Guaranteed some fans are not going to like this. But it's the offseason, and entertaining nonetheless.
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Acho is no body of course. He's totally unqualified to critique our St. Russell, who would have been the greatest QB in league history if that retard Pete Carroll hasn't been pulling him back with his outdated offense philosophies. Every Russell homers knew that.hawkfan68":3tvwv2hm said:Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me
UK_Seahawk":2lqo2uk8 said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
hawkfan68":37p77vdp said:Who’s Emmanuel Acho? Sounds like a big sneeze to me
John63":1hk0xjkv said:UK_Seahawk":1hk0xjkv said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.
UK_Seahawk":22ausfum said:John63":22ausfum said:UK_Seahawk":22ausfum said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.
I'm not just talking about his and the teams play. I feel like he's almost trying too hard to become something I'm not sure he is. To me he wants to be a celeb who plays football whereas before he was a footballer who almost accidentally became famous.
Maybe that was always part of the plan?
John63":34pc8cn5 said:UK_Seahawk":34pc8cn5 said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.
Sgt. Largent":5d34zwxa said:John63":5d34zwxa said:UK_Seahawk":5d34zwxa said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.
You're causing and effecting Russell's public criticism for why we had a normal off season of player acquisition.
I'm sure Pete and John have spoken to Russell post "hey I don't want to be traded, but here are the teams I want to be traded to"..........but I HIGHLY doubt any of it affected our off season moves.
That's not what good teams do, make personnel moves because their players tell them to. They have entire scouting and personnel departments that help make those educated and calculated decisions.
John63":2dh2gp6r said:Sgt. Largent":2dh2gp6r said:John63":2dh2gp6r said:UK_Seahawk":2dh2gp6r said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Maybe but on paper we are better, so is it really fair? Moe like the guy who had it good, and wanted it better gave the media something they could twist to get their clicks with. Also, there are people out there saying the exact opposite, that what Wilson did forced PC to rethink things for the better. Media 101 find something to latch on to, warp it, and take both extremes to get clicks.
You're causing and effecting Russell's public criticism for why we had a normal off season of player acquisition.
I'm sure Pete and John have spoken to Russell post "hey I don't want to be traded, but here are the teams I want to be traded to"..........but I HIGHLY doubt any of it affected our off season moves.
That's not what good teams do, make personnel moves because their players tell them to. They have entire scouting and personnel departments that help make those educated and calculated decisions.
I never mentioned any of the player acquisition at all. As to good teams making moves because players told them too, hmm worked for Tampa Bay didn't it. But again no one said that. Rethinking things for the better does not mean Fa or Drafting, it can mean a lot of things. You are doing what the media did take something and twist it and run with it. That said since you brought it up, I do think this whole thing impacted what PC and the team has done and will do. we know it impacted some of the people we signed. Also, if you don't think that top QBs don't have a huge say or impact on FAs and the draft then you really don't understand the game. Heck Mahomes get 1 draft pick every year that he gets whoever he wants.
I liked that as well.UK_Seahawk":1zoen8i2 said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.UK_Seahawk":1zoen8i2 said:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
rcaido":1n018vgb said:It was hard to watch, wonder what Russ is thinking right now. I think most of the time, these guys are just jealous of Wilson. I can totally see these guys are the same saying "Wilson isn't black enough" crowd. Every criticism they had pretty much applies to all QBs except for Brady.
MD5eahawks":1mxy86e9 said:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.
I liked that as well.UK_Seahawk":1mxy86e9 said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.UK_Seahawk":1mxy86e9 said:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
Bravo,Own The West":31ldli3l said:MD5eahawks":31ldli3l said:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.
I liked that as well.UK_Seahawk":31ldli3l said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.UK_Seahawk":31ldli3l said:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:
1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.
2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.
Own The West":327fldcz said:MD5eahawks":327fldcz said:Although it was a little difficult to listen through their over-the-top characterized delivery, I agree with just about everything they said. They didn't really cut Russ down. They merely just gave a summary of RWs career without rose colored glasses.
I liked that as well.UK_Seahawk":327fldcz said:The guy who had it good but wanted it better and made it worse.
Thats a decent take to be fair.
Right on. I think they should have mentioned this. It is a very glaring aspect of the current NFL.UK_Seahawk":327fldcz said:Ultimately I think it comes down to $600k versus $35m.
I think UK pulled the meat out of the thread right here. Although, I'll just add a couple more points for the folks that want to make it about something else:
1) Pete Carroll is one of three football coaches to win both the Superbowl and NCAA championships. His last Superbowl was six years ago. The only coach to win more in that time is Belichick, whom we are 3-1 against. He coached up Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to the highest achievement of their careers and got them the Heisman. Pete Carroll has won without Russell Wilson, but Wilson has never won without Pete Carroll. I understand being a fan is often about sticking with your favorites, but it doesn't make sense to say the guy with the proven track record is holding back the guy that's never done anything without him.
2) Criticizing Russell Wilson is not 'jealousy' or a "not black enough" indictment. Both announcers had plenty of nice things to say about both white and black QBs (including Russell Wilson) and had very specific praise for Russ. The root of their criticism was 'new' vs 'old' Russ; the latter went to the Superbowl twice and won, the former has gone 1-4 in the playoffs and pointed fingers at everyone but himself. Football is a team sport. If Russ has gone 'hollywood' or "me first" that's a legit criticism.