#6 Sam Howell

[Seahawks Guy]

Grub's offense may not call for presnap motion on a high percentage of plays, but when motion is used there is A LOT of it. This player going over there, that player going over here, WR changing spots, running back moves over, etc. all on one play.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I just worry about timelines causing us to waste seasons.

timeline 1:
1. Geno starts and SH doesn’t play.
2. Next Summer the team anoints SH the starter and spends no picks or cap space on another potential starter.
3A. SH succeeds. Yeah! But wait, he is going to be a FA after next season and command a large salary to stay. No cap saving. Big $
3B SH is mediocre or bad. Another wasted year and then we will either resign him on a prove it deal or have to start over again at the QB position. So now we are 2 more wasted years down the road.

timeline 2:
I would rather
1. Start SH
2A if he succeeds we have another cheap contract year next year to use the money elsewhere.
2B He fails. If so we know what we have. Geno can go back to starting. We address the QB position next Summer and we are at least a year ahead of where we would otherwise be.

let’s quit wasting seasons and win a post season game or two for a change.

 

[Chukarhawk]

But... I still don't get how the offense was conservative.

Pass happy overall, pass happy in neutral situations, generally high in yards per attempt and intended air yards per attempt - none of this signals conservative play. The occasional conservative punt, maybe.

Love to see some facts here, because none of what I'm claiming above is "nonsense." Love to know what specifically, in schematic terms, was bland and/or stale. These generic criticisms don't pull much weight if we can't, on some deep level, explain what about the offense was bland and stale.

Also - what is prohibitively complex about Grubb's offense? Did Grubb not put his college quarterbacks in a position to succeed repeatedly? Was Geno not one of the most prolific passers to ever play college football?

I'd doubt Howell's ability to "get it" before I would Geno's. Geno was a much tighter pocket-based passer in college. Howell was mainly a vertical passer who'd scramble too early.


PS: On the motion point?



Yeah. I'm not sure we're grounding our criticisms or expectations in reality. That's all I'm getting at here.

this can't be right, fock now I have to go watch more husky re-runs.

 

[Hawkinaz]

As predictable as the offense was it might as well have been conservative

 

[Lagartixa]

Technically Lock moved on from the Seahawks. Both the Giants and the Seahawks were interested in signing him. I think Howell is of a similar overall quality to Lock, but Howell has more upside. From the Seahawks point of view it has worked out for the best.

Howell is also substantially cheaper than Lock now.

 

[Double Tribble]

Howell is basically like Lock, but younger, cheaper, and with a propensity for far more turnovers. Time will tell if last season was an aberration because he was forcing it too much or if that's his m.o. Fingers crossed.

 

[Chukarhawk]

Howell is basically like Lock, but younger, cheaper, and with a propensity for far more turnovers. Time will tell if last season was an aberration because he was forcing it too much or if that's his m.o. Fingers crossed.
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Locks accuracy was a major concern after watching him last year. Not sure if that was fixable. I see a lot more upside with Sam. the best description I gave for Howell is dynamic. He can do it all. Give him a solid o line, a running game and some structure and you might have a top 10 QB for the next decade.

 

[Kamcussionator]

I just worry about timelines causing us to waste seasons.

timeline 1:
1. Geno starts and SH doesn’t play.
2. Next Summer the team anoints SH the starter and spends no picks or cap space on another potential starter.
3A. SH succeeds. Yeah! But wait, he is going to be a FA after next season and command a large salary to stay. No cap saving. Big $
3B SH is mediocre or bad. Another wasted year and then we will either resign him on a prove it deal or have to start over again at the QB position. So now we are 2 more wasted years down the road.

timeline 2:
I would rather
1. Start SH
2A if he succeeds we have another cheap contract year next year to use the money elsewhere.
2B He fails. If so we know what we have. Geno can go back to starting. We address the QB position next Summer and we are at least a year ahead of where we would otherwise be.

let’s quit wasting seasons and win a post season game or two for a change.

Or timeline 3:
1. Geno starts this year.
2. Next Summer they extend Howell at a backup rate and let him compete for the starting job.

Generally speaking, the backup quarterback has little to do with winning post season games.