'05 vs. '13 Defense

[Hawkstorian]

I'm looking over the '05 roster and I don't think a single defensive player from that team would start for this team.

Not. One.

Maybe Lofa over Wagner? That would be the closest. Ok probably that's one, but it would be a only slight upgrade if any.

Grant Wistrom? Bryce Fisher? Chuck Darby?

Trufant was a really good corner, but would he start here? Leroy Hill was a rookie and made some big plays, not sure he'd start here.

That team went to the superbowl and played good defense most of the year. Am I wrong here?

**Edit** '05 Tubbs would definitely play a lot and probably start on the '13 team.

 

[LudwigsDrummer]

Nope, you are spot on and I like the idea you have suggested. I thought I remembered our 05 D as being fairly good, but not stellar.

Now, the OL would be a different matter.

 

[sutz]

Leaving aside the different schemes and all, you're probably right. And, in fact, I'm not sure about Lofa. His downfall was the erosion of our D-line. Without big bodies protecting him, he was kind of easy to neutralize. Wags may be a bit better in that department. But overall, you have a point. '13 has superior talent almost across the board. Some of those '05 guys would make great backups, though.

 

[Hawkstorian]

Now, the OL would be a different matter.

Uh, yeah. I'd take '05 across the board. I'd probably take the WRs. The only close call would be Unger vs. Tobeck but my pick would be Tobeck.

Leaving aside the different schemes and all, you're probably right. And, in fact, I'm not sure about Lofa. His downfall was the erosion of our D-line. Without big bodies protecting him, he was kind of easy to neutralize. Wags may be a bit better in that department.

You're certainly right about schemes and you can't really account for that unless you are a film buff like most of us aren't. I'm just going off my opinion of the talent, and as I was looking over the '05 roster i was shocked we won that many games with fairly average secondary (especially after Hamlin went down).

Probably the best player on that defense? Tubbs. I actually would take Tubbs alongside Mebane. When he was healthy he was damn good that year.

 

[Sac]

Marcus Tubbs was a beast. He could play on this team.

 

[onanygivensunday]

In the most important stat, points/game allowed, the '13 team (for the regular season) leads the '05 team (at this point) by only one point... 15.9 v. 16.9.

So the '05 team was strong defensively as well.

An interesting factoid... the '05 offense and special teams gave the ball away a total of 15 times... the '13 team is currently at 15 for the season with 6 games to go... so the lost fumbles by Russell this year might be contributing to the perception that the '05 defense was not as good as that this year... if you follow my logic.

 

[sutz]

Marcus Tubbs was a beast. He could play on this team.

He had such a short tenure due to injury that a lot of people forget him. Yeah, he'd probably do well here, too.

 

[Johnny]

Rocky Bernard was pretty good in 05'

 

[Obie]

Let's do a quick defense comparison for fun

05 - 13

Pts Per Game - 16.9 - 15.9
Yards Per carry - 3.6 - 4.2
Sacks - 50 - 31 (too lazy to do the math on what that will average out to be over 16)
Completion % - 58.0 - 59.3
% of Drives ending in Turnover - 8.0 - 12.7


I think as units they are a lot closer than most people think, each side is clearly better in some areas.

 

[Hawkstorian]

I agree '05 defense was really good, that's why I'm amazed when I compare the talent position vs. position it's so heavily slanted to the '13 club.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Sir storian, Could you post the team defensive rosters here on this string? PLease...

I shall buy ya one next time I am in the area.... :thirishdrinkers:

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Yeah I would take '05 Trufant and '05 Tubbs over '13 Browner and '13 McDaniel. But that's it.

I wouldn't take '05 Tatupu over Wagner only because '13 Wagner's athleticism is off the charts. Not many MLBs in the NFL can burn a 4.4-4.5 40, post a 40 inch Vert, and explode for a 11 feet Broad Jump at 240 pounds.

Also, the 2005 defense thrived greatly off the offense scoring points, where the speedy, undersized build could just pin its ears back and attack the passing game. John Marshall loved to blitz.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

Yeah I would take '05 Trufant and '05 Tubbs over '13 Browner and '13 McDaniel. But that's it.

I wouldn't take '05 Tatupu over Wagner only because '13 Wagner's athleticism is off the charts. Not many MLBs in the NFL can burn a 4.4-4.5 40, post a 40 inch Vert, and explode for a 11 feet Broad Jump at 240 pounds.

Also, the 2005 defense thrived greatly off the offense scoring points, where the speedy, undersized build could just pin its ears back and attack the passing game. John Marshall loved to blitz.

 

[THE TABS]

Marcus Tubbs was a beast. He could play on this team.

He could fetch Gatorade for this team. Marcus Tubbs was AWFUL, and would never make this roster, let alone start.

The Lofa Tatupu of '05 is the only player I could see starting. Marcus Trufant and Leroy Hill could contribute, but not in starting roles.

 

[SmokinHawk]

Rocky Bernard in his prime might have been able to start for us this year, though it's hard to call any of our pass rushing DTs "starters" as they are rotated so heavily.

Much as I loved seeing him play, I don't think Lofa would start on this D. The Mike backer seems to have a fair bit of responsibility with engaging offensive guards on running plays, which was a major point of weakness with Lofa's game.

 

[plyka]

I'm looking over the '05 roster and I don't think a single defensive player from that team would start for this team.

Not. One.

Maybe Lofa over Wagner? That would be the closest. Ok probably that's one, but it would be a only slight upgrade if any.

Grant Wistrom? Bryce Fisher? Chuck Darby?

Trufant was a really good corner, but would he start here? Leroy Hill was a rookie and made some big plays, not sure he'd start here.

That team went to the superbowl and played good defense most of the year. Am I wrong here?

**Edit** '05 Tubbs would definitely play a lot and probably start on the '13 team.

On the other hand on the offensive side of the ball most of those players would start. I would take Wilson over hass, Percy would start and maybe okung but at a different position.

 

[OrFan]

Tubbs is probably the only one who would make it. Trufant maybe as a backup, even that is doubtful.

 

[HawkinNY]

Nope, you are spot on and I like the idea you have suggested. I thought I remembered our 05 D as being fairly good, but not stellar.

Now, the OL would be a different matter.

If we had that line today it wouldn't be fair to the rest of the league.

 

[seahawk2k]

Marcus Tubbs was a beast. He could play on this team.

He could fetch Gatorade for this team. Marcus Tubbs was AWFUL, and would never make this roster, let alone start.

The Lofa Tatupu of '05 is the only player I could see starting. Marcus Trufant and Leroy Hill could contribute, but not in starting roles.

Tubbs was awful? I'd advise you to check the rushing numbers when Tubbs was healthy vs when he wasn't in there. Might change your mind.

 

[Sac]

Marcus Tubbs was a beast. He could play on this team.

He could fetch Gatorade for this team. Marcus Tubbs was AWFUL, and would never make this roster, let alone start.

The Lofa Tatupu of '05 is the only player I could see starting. Marcus Trufant and Leroy Hill could contribute, but not in starting roles.

Your name must be Jon Snow.