ESPN article on LJ Collier's breakout year

toffee · Apr 17, 2025

keasley45 said:
Problem with the Pete era Hawks (and dont know how much of this was John or disconnect between John and Pete) but there were quite a few players who were brought in with one skillset and then made to play another position or technique. And the more you look back and see the occasional friction in disagreement between the players that John wanted and drafted and the way Pete wanted to use them, the more stories like Collier's makes sense, and the more believable it is when a player says thigs like 'i didnt feel like i was wanted'. Well, when the GM really wants a guy and that guy lands on the team, but the coach wasnt high on him, and wants to force him into the role HE wants him for, there's a conflict there within the leadership structure that can result in a player being caught in the middle and feeling EXACTLY the way Collier did.

Imagine the joy of Pete finally gone and a new head coach who obeys.

HawkRiderFan · Apr 17, 2025

keasley45 said:
Problem with the Pete era Hawks (and dont know how much of this was John or disconnect between John and Pete) but there were quite a few players who were brought in with one skillset and then made to play another position or technique.

When I read this my mind instantly went to trying to turn Tre Flowers into a corner cause he had the height / long arms measurables.

Shane Falco · Apr 17, 2025

3rd round ranking on the consensus big board and something like the 10th rated DL taken in the 1st round. That was a desperate move. A lot of pressure to perform like he was more than he was I imagine. Would we still even be talking about the guy if he went at the top of the 3rd round where he was projected?

Kamcussionator · Apr 17, 2025

I'm not sure what breakout means to you, but he's currently listed as a 3rd stringer on the Cardinals behind 38 year old Calais Campbell and journeyman Justin Jones.

keasley45 · Apr 18, 2025

HawkRiderFan said:
When I read this my mind instantly went to trying to turn Tre Flowers into a corner cause he had the height / long arms measurables.

Yup. There were quite a few, including Jamal Adams. Regardless of how things played out during his time here, the dude was known for being who HE was. John wanted to use him like a swiss army knife. Pete insisted he play one spot the way HE wanted him to. John won in getting him here, then lost when his prized win was neutered doing something he wasnt brought here to do.

toffee · Apr 18, 2025

keasley45 said:
Yup. There were quite a few, including Jamal Adams. Regardless of how things played out during his time here, the dude was known for being who HE was. John wanted to use him like a swiss army knife. Pete insisted he play one spot the way HE wanted him to. John won in getting him here, then lost when his prized win was neutered doing something he wasnt brought here to do.

Schneider would, rightfully so, proclaim that Jamal wasn't used probably. That happened again, however, with the two LBs that he signed last off-season, only to be replaced mid-season.

toffee · Apr 18, 2025

keasley45 said:
Problem with the Pete era Hawks (and dont know how much of this was John or disconnect between John and Pete) but there were quite a few players who were brought in with one skillset and then made to play another position or technique. And the more you look back and see the occasional friction in disagreement between the players that John wanted and drafted and the way Pete wanted to use them, the more stories like Collier's makes sense, and the more believable it is when a player says thigs like 'i didnt feel like i was wanted'. Well, when the GM really wants a guy and that guy lands on the team, but the coach wasnt high on him, and wants to force him into the role HE wants him for, there's a conflict there within the leadership structure that can result in a player being caught in the middle and feeling EXACTLY the way Collier did.

In Pete's eyes, Schneider might be the dude who handles contracts and some scouting. That assumption worked for a few years. At some point, Schneider wanted to have a vision, a philosophy, and a name; in his dreams, perhaps as the face of the franchise.

Pete probably didn't have ole toffee's ability to decipher through Schneider's multiple 'ya know' and 'like' to see the brilliance underneath.

Carroll's lost, no double. Schneider's brilliance is now full display, an off season not signing a single OL, check, THREE schneider QBs, check, I am eagerly waiting for more out of this world moves.

I am totally in awe, go Hawks.

keasley45 · Apr 18, 2025

toffee said:
In Pete's eyes, Schneider might be the dude who handles contracts and some scouting. That assumption worked for a few years. At some point, Schneider wanted to have a vision, a philosophy, and a name; in his dreams, perhaps as the face of the franchise.

Pete probably didn't have ole toffee's ability to decipher through Schneider's multiple 'ya know' and 'like' to see the brilliance underneath.

Carroll's lost, no double. Schneider's brilliance is now full display, an off season not signing a single OL, check, THREE schneider QBs, check, I am eagerly waiting for more out of this world moves.

I am totally in awe, go Hawks.

Agree 100% I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, he certainly had dropped players (whether right or wrong) into a scenario where the coach wants something else.

toffee · Apr 18, 2025

keasley45 said:
Agree 100% I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, he certainly had dropped players (whether right or wrong) into a scenario where the coach wants something else.

The two LBs we signed last off season

keasley45 · Apr 19, 2025

Azvacar said:
"Breakout year"

Collier set career highs with 3.5 sacks and 29 tackles

Our 1st round draft pick had .5 sacks and 12 tackles. So, there's that.

oldhawkfan · Apr 19, 2025

If 3.5 sacks and 29 tackles is a breakout year, I finally know what LJ stands for. Laughable Joke!

SuperSonic67 · Apr 19, 2025

Breakout year??? Wow, it got him a 1 year deal worth “up to 4 million”…sorry that doesn’t scream “breakout year”

. His current bad team signs him to a 1 year deal loaded with incentives with a 750k signing bonus and only 1.5 million guaranteed…NOPE, sounds like a massive pay cut to me. What is the writer of the article his agent lol?

rjdriver · Apr 19, 2025

oldhawkfan said:
If 3.5 sacks and 29 tackles is a breakout year, I finally know what LJ stands for. Laughable Joke!

It’s all relative I suppose. When you are used to being a healthy scratch like he was in Seattle , anything is a “breakout” year.

Sperrydogg · Apr 19, 2025

SoulfishHawk said:
Not even worth an eyebrow raise.

So… soulfish….. what do you think of LJ Collier?

Sperrydogg · Apr 19, 2025

Spin Doctor said:
LJ Collier didn’t breakout… 3.5 sacks, low tackle count. Checked PFF just for the laughs, he is rated super low there too.

LJ Collier doing the bare minimum isn’t “breaking out”.

Being on the field for the whole season was his breakout

Sperrydogg · Apr 19, 2025

toffee said:
In Pete's eyes, Schneider might be the dude who handles contracts and some scouting. That assumption worked for a few years. At some point, Schneider wanted to have a vision, a philosophy, and a name; in his dreams, perhaps as the face of the franchise.

Pete probably didn't have ole toffee's ability to decipher through Schneider's multiple 'ya know' and 'like' to see the brilliance underneath.

Carroll's lost, no double. Schneider's brilliance is now full display, an off season not signing a single OL, check, THREE schneider QBs, check, I am eagerly waiting for more out of this world moves.

I am totally in awe, go Hawks.

you want John gone… maybe Deon? And Shadon’tdoit

toffee · Apr 19, 2025

Sperrydogg said:
you want John gone… maybe Deon? And Shadon’tdoit

I am in my off-season total lovefest mode with our John Schneider and his decisions. We all know that John and his people peruse .NET, I wanted him to see we have his back, we support everything he did, three Schneider QBs and zero upgrade on OL.

Go Schneider.

hawkfan68 · Apr 20, 2025

SoulfishHawk · Apr 20, 2025

Sperrydogg said:
So… soulfish….. what do you think of LJ Collier?

I've always been shy about my opinion on players. I gotta work on it

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