It's All On Sam

[HawkFreak]

You need a QB to put the guys around him in good positions.

If Sam takes care of the ball, we win tonight, and we would’ve won last time. That’s why the QB is the highest paid player on the team.

I do agree that the QB has a lot to do with having the offense in the right positions to succeed. However - players effectively executing the positions they have been put in - that is not on the QB. Unless of course you're saying if the players around the QB fail to execute then the QB failed to put them in the right positions to succeed. But then we're just talking in circles right?

 

[SeahawkSteve80]

I do agree that the QB has a lot to do with having the offense in the right positions to succeed. However - players executing the positions they have been put in - that is not on the QB. Unless of course you're saying if the players around the QB fail to execute then the QB failed to put them in the right positions to succeed. But then we're just talking in circles right?

Right, and I get what others are saying. Sort of a chicken and the egg argument at that point.

I’m of the belief that if your QB has command of the offense, command of the huddle, then he’s responsible for the other ten guys. That’s a culmination of all the practice reps, all the film study, all of the time together as a unit. The quarterback is the leader and it’s his responsibility to ensure the entire offense is on the same page.

Guys like Brady and Manning had those guys ready to go. You didn’t see many missed assignments from the guys around them because their QB had them all ready to go. The QB, or the good ones I should say, are essentially an on field coach. Hell, even last week with Rivers, he was able to matriculate the ball down the field somewhat and put his guys in positions to execute successfully.

For example, if Bradford isn’t holding up, struggling to pick up stunts, etc, it’s Darnold’s responsibility to get rid of the ball quick so Bradford isn’t put in a position to pass protect for a sustained period of time.

 

[glenwo2]

If Sam is flat on his back because the OL can't protect him, can he dissect the secondary, step up in the pocket, audible to the correct play with the clock ticking down?
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Yes. It’s his responsibility to check into the appropriate play so he isn’t putting the O line in a position to hold up for long periods of time in pass protection.

 

[Ostatehawk]

People who don't know football, and especially doesn't know this team will say it's all on Darnold, because that's the eazy/lazy narrative.

Those that do know football and has taken the time to study this team know it's all on the OLine, especially run blocking and pass protection on 3rd downs. Also the Dline has got to keep pressure on Stafford. Those are the keys to this game for the seahawks.

Kubiak has got to call a balanced game, and stop running on every damn 2nd and 10.

AMEN! If I know we are running - I promise you the other team knows it too!

 

[Atradees]

It's all on the defense.

 

[sutz]

No, it's not.

I posted that because I believe no game is ever "all" on one player, even the QB. Sure, the QB might need to do well, but so do the O-line and backs and receivers. The OC has to put together a good plan and call the game well, too.

Football is the ultimate team game. Putting too much pressure on one player is like building a bridge with just one piling. Might do well for a while, but eventually it will fail under pressure.

 

[Trackhawk]

I'm starting to lean towards the opposite take. He's been a little too tentative / conservative since the first Rams game, trying to play it safe.

He needs to let it rip, especially if JSN or Shaheed is in a one-on-one situation down field. These DBs for the Rams can be beaten. Goff and Bryce Young lit them up.

A turnover downfield isn't the end of the world. It's basically like a punt, and our defense can be trusted to get Sam the ball back.

Of course it depends on the coverage. Rams played a lot of nickel and dime last time, daring the Hawks to run. Watch out for that robber safety sitting on routes as well; he can be beat on a double move over the top.

Be aggressive early. Don't play scared. Ground and pound with a lead late.

Agree

Interceptions are not a good measure of the quality nor success of a QB. Good QBs have very successful years with high numbers of interceptions

In the last 7 years, Super Bowl winning QBs have ranked as high as 1st, 5th, 6th, and 7th.

MVP winners tend to have fewer, ranking as high as 7th and 9th, but are mostly near the top of the league. MVP does not = the really important thing, Super Bowl wins.

Various QB rankings by number of interceptions thrown in regular season
2024 - Mahomes #12, Rodgers #13, Stafford #22, Hurts #33*, Allen 29-MVP
2023 - Allen #2, Hurts #3, Mahomes #5*, Stafford #12, Jackson 26-MVP
2022 - Allen #4, Mahomes #7*-MVP, Rodgers #9, Stafford #22
2021 - Stafford #1*, Allen #4, Mahomes #9, Brady #14, Rodgers #38-MVP
2020 - Brady #6*, Stafford #15, Mahomes #30, Rodgers #33-MVP
2019 - Brady #18, Jackson 25-MVP, Mahomes #30*, Rodgers #36
2018 - Mahomes #9-MVP, Brady 15*, Stafford #17,

 

[soxhawk]

I'm starting to lean towards the opposite take. He's been a little too tentative / conservative since the first Rams game, trying to play it safe.

He needs to let it rip, especially if JSN or Shaheed is in a one-on-one situation down field. These DBs for the Rams can be beaten. Goff and Bryce Young lit them up.

A turnover downfield isn't the end of the world. It's basically like a punt, and our defense can be trusted to get Sam the ball back.

Of course it depends on the coverage. Rams played a lot of nickel and dime last time, daring the Hawks to run. Watch out for that robber safety sitting on routes as well; he can be beat on a double move over the top.

Be aggressive early. Don't play scared. Ground and pound with a lead late.

Well, we've gone undefeated in those games and probably could've beaten the Rams with a more conservative Sam. Let him open it up in the playoffs, we need that HFA first.

 

[jammerhawk]

It's all on the whole darn team! Git 'er dun boys!!!

Not one guy ever needs to shoulder the rest. They all need to step up and make it happen. Somehow I have the sense they will too.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Sam needs to just throw tds on every throw and not throw any interceptions ever again ever. But he’s not gonna be able to throw very much cause we will most likely end all of the rams drives with a pick 6

 

[Sperrydogg]

Well, we've gone undefeated in those games and probably could've beaten the Rams with a more conservative Sam. Let him open it up in the playoffs, we need that HFA first.

I think status quo is the MO. Don’t do anything and let our defense do the scoring

 

[SeahawkSteve80]

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[glenwo2]

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But seriously, the OL does play a big role.

It may not be the one making the pass attempts but it gives the QB the time and opportunity to make the pass attempts.

 

[Ozzy]

Even the Rams playoff game is overblown. He went 25/40 for 245 yards/1 touchdown/1 interception despite the Vikings jailbreak offensive line that game. On that, the Vikings fanbase continues to savage Kevin O'Connell for refusing to institute a short passing or run game. He did Darnold no favors that game by adjusting the offense to fend off the rush.

Agreed. "You can't win with Darnold" while Darnold leads the league in wins the past two years. He's going to be fine.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

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But seriously, the OL does play a big role.

It may not be the one making the pass attempts but it gives the QB the time and opportunity to make the pass attempts.

This whole thread has turned into which came first? the chicken or the egg?

 

[pmedic920]

Agreed. "You can't win with Darnold" while Darnold leads the league in wins the past two years. He's going to be fine.

Unless he isn’t.

You’ve done nothing to quell my anxiety.

 

[pmedic920]

This whole thread has turned into which came first? the chicken or the egg?

Duh, the rooster did

 

[glenwo2]

actually, the Hen did.

How do you think the Rooster came into being? He had to have had a mother, right?


Hopefully the Seahawks show the Clams who their daddy is, though.

 

[pmedic920]

actually, the Hen did.

How do you think the Rooster came into being? He had to have had a mother, right?


Hopefully the Seahawks show the Clams who their daddy is, though.

Since when does motherhood require coming first, or at all?

 

[Sperrydogg]

This whole thread has turned into which came first? the chicken or the egg?

The rooster