Poll: How will our offense do this year?

[CouchLogic]

Right. Ya sure got me there! There wasn't a single All-Pro or Pro Bowl player among them. Every one of them was just a cool guy from the street who only did well because of "chemistry" (or whatever other mediot-invented nonsense to which you want to attribute their success) because they were all cool and just got along well. It's not like any one of them was actually considered a good player, had ever made a Pro Bowl before or ever made a Pro Bowl or All-Pro again with other players or on other teams. It was "chemistry" and "chemistry" alone that made the 2013 Seahawks a winning team. A buncha scrubs who just liked each other and won based on that.

And never mind that teammates got in a fistfight shortly before the actual game in which they won a Super Bowl title. It was chemistry that won that title, dammit!

Parroting media nonsense without processing it is lazy, but many of us do it. There's a reason there are so many ignorant-of-how-the-games-are-actually-won sports mediots. There's a market for it because they offer a shortcut. Rather than having to understand the intricacies of how NFL plays happen and what makes different parts succeed, it's easier to fall back on nonsense that isn't supported at all by the facts or any kind of analysis, but is much easier to understand. So OK, I get it. I've caught myself thinking lazily because I had heard the lazy thinker's position repeated enough times.

However, insisting on defending the mediots' ridiculous positions and made-up crap (that again, they make up because they don't understand what's really going on) after actually thinking about what nonsense it is... that's different. That's getting into actual willful ignorance.

Good rant (I'm assuming) stopped after the gotcha comment, haha. I could give two $#!+$ about a gotcha. I honestly didn't read anything you typed after that, lol. Was it a out the Phillies again?

ETA, this is about the offense anyway. That SB roster was a bunch of nobodies, lol.

 

[seabowl]

It comes down to trust, ie do you trust decisions made by John Schneider? The president of football operations and the face of our franchise.

In my opinion, it has nothing to do with trusting the front office. It all comes down to how good the player is and how they will mesh with their position on a team. You have just as much information as any teams front offices to watch every single play of every Seahawk game each year and every other teams games to know the player and how good they are. I never understood when people say that fans can’t evaluate players the same or pretty close to many of the front offices around the league. It’s not like they get to see these players play games that we’re not privy to. We get to see the same exact game tape as they do. I feel I have been just as much right and wrong about players as the front office has over the years when they acquire people as again, I got to see them play the game just as much as the front office has. So again, if you are replacing Geno, DK and Lockett with Darnold and Kupp, I have my doubts on whether it will be better than what they had already. Not saying they won’t be better, but I am saying it’s not as much of a sure thing as many on here I think. Also with Kupps injury history and Darnolds one strong year (throwing to probably the best receiver in the league), the jury is definitely out.

 

[Hawkstud]

Kubiak's SCHEME FIT vs. Grubbs NO clue.
Grubb was out of his element in the NFL, and his lack of scheming to get the most out of his Offensive Linemen's strongest suit, had them struggling in every game last season, and why he was quickly replaced.
There's no doubt in my mind that we will all see a lot better offense this season, Maybe not right out of the chute, but this is a young group that will meld as the season progresses.
I predict top 10 to 12 this year.

 

[Torc]

I hope you realized that I was just joking around. You can get AI to say anything if you give it the right prompt.

I gotcha. It just made me wonder how it would handle a slightly different prompt. No one should be taking chatgpt as definitive anything....but I didn't think you were.

 

[flv2]

Culture matters: We have John Schneider
Coaching matters: We have Mike Macdonald
System matters: We have Klint Kubiak
Players matter: We have Sam Darnold, Drew Lock, K9, JSN

...and next year you'll still have JSN.

 

[Appyhawk]

Maybe we do and I just don't know about it, but we need a thread about AI on one of our other forums.
I think people take AI much too seriously as a dependably accurate source of info. What does the "A" part of AI stand for?

 

[Hawkstud]

Maybe we do and I just don't know about it, but we need a thread about AI on one of our other forums.
I think people take AI much too seriously as a dependably accurate source of info. What does the "A" part of AI stand for?

'ALMOST' ;-)

 

[hawks85]

So switching out Geno and DK/Lockett for Darnold and Kupp makes you use the word “definitely”? There is no way you can think the changes they have made is a sure thing. Not saying it isn’t gonna happen, but you have a lot more confidence than I do.

Yup, Lockett, DK, Geno weren't Macdonald guy's. They weren't fully on board with Macdonald which is why they are no longer here.

 

[seabowl]

Yup, Lockett, DK, Geno weren't Macdonald guy's. They weren't fully on board with Macdonald which is why they are no longer here.

Yeah ok. Lockett not a coaches guy? And McDonald knows that Darnold and Kupp will be? Where are you getting your material from?

 

[hawks85]

Yeah ok. Lockett not a coaches guy? And McDonald knows that Darnold and Kupp will be? Where are you getting your material from?

No, I mean they were more for Pete and what he stood for if that makes sense. Not saying they were not on board with what Coach Mike is doing, but they weren't fully on board.

 

[toffee]

No, I mean they were more for Pete and what he stood for if that makes sense. Not saying they were not on board with what Coach Mike is doing, but they weren't fully on board.

Umm, you maybe on to something here. Three Pete guys and lukewarm to Schneider-Macdonald. Almost unbelievable, it sounded like a controversy, but then Lockett was released outright, Metcalf and Geno both traded, although they were still under contract.

 

[seabowl]

Umm, you maybe on to something here. Three Pete guys and lukewarm to Schneider-Macdonald. Almost unbelievable, it sounded like a controversy, but then Lockett was released outright, Metcalf and Geno both traded, although they were still under contract.

Lockett was released purely to his contract being so incredibly high. They had no choice. Metcalf wanted out apparently for a couple of years nowand Geno wanted a new contract but Seattle wanted to get younger at quarterback. These are the reasons why these guys are no longer here.

 

[Hotchy]

I understand we're all fans of the Seahawks and its good vibes to be blindly supporting, but are you really going to be shocked if we struggle offensively?
There's reasons why Vegas doesn't like us, and stop telling yourselves people have an agenda against Seattle.
I think our goal this year is to see who can actually step up and who can't. Danold ? Milroe ? K9 ? Charbonnet ?

That being said, I think we're more likely to challenge a weak ass division. But if Darnold can't move the team, I won't be in complete "wtf happened " shock

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Weak ass division? There's a very good chance that the Niners bounce back. So 3 of the 4 teams are going to be good.
They claimed the Hawks would win 7 games last year. How did that turn out? And why do you care if people have hope???

 

[Jac]

I understand we're all fans of the Seahawks and its good vibes to be blindly supporting, but are you really going to be shocked if we struggle offensively?
There's reasons why Vegas doesn't like us, and stop telling yourselves people have an agenda against Seattle.
I think our goal this year is to see who can actually step up and who can't. Danold ? Milroe ? K9 ? Charbonnet ?

That being said, I think we're more likely to challenge a weak ass division. But if Darnold can't move the team, I won't be in complete "wtf happened " shock

Our new offense could absolutely struggle to get off the ground and/or Darnold regresses. Fortunately, the offseason is over and we can finally just see it for real. But two narratives have dominated the offseason that just seem flawed. One, that Darnold's year was just a product of Minnesota's weapons and O'Connell's offense. I just watched a 20+ minute Darnold highlight video for last year, and he was consistently making great throws into tight windows. It's not like college where a QB can be the beneficiary of clearly superior athletes, wide open receivers, and dumpoff YAC. Second, Geno has suddenly become an elite QB that the Seahawks let go.

 

[Jac]

You are aware "highlight" videos are created to make any subject look good?

Did you watch Darnold against the Lions(week18) & against the Rams?

Wow, I had never considered that. Highlight videos are created to make the subject look good...fascinating. It's great that you've joined the community to offer those insightful nuggets.

Did you watch Jordan Love in Week #1 against Chicago last year? And yet they still decided to continue paying his $220 million salary instead of cutting him on the spot.

 

[Appyhawk]

Even though, while standing on the dock, all you can see is the surface of the water you have to understand that when you jump in you will spend some time underwater. We have a lot of young guys who will have to get acclimated but they have all proven to be good swimmers. I don't see how anyone can look at our roster and not be optimistically excited about what the future holds for the Seahawks.
A Zabel clone for the right side and we will be ready to do some serious cookin'.

 

[Jac]

The Packers didn't play Chicago in "Week #1" last year. It's ok, I realize I rattled you, come back when you get your seething and jealous hate all figured out.

When you are more calm & rational, you can tell us who you would rather have for your QB? Darnold or J-Love?

K then, I wish you the best. Should be a fun season,
enjoy it, I know I will!

Oh, I was looking at that game log upside down. Love put that 7/12 69-yard masterpiece together in Week #18, followed up by an anemic 212-year and 0 TD/3 INT playoff game against the Eagles (who those same Rams almost beat). I certainly wouldn't want to be saddled to Love and that $220 million contract. Aside, almost everybody here acknowledges that Darnold is a bridge and could easily regress. My original post said that could easily happen. I'm not sure what point you think you're making at all.

 

[Jac]

J-Love got hurt early in the 2nd quarter in week 18 last year. The injury carried into the playoff game against the Eagles. Amazing he played at all. Not sure why you brought up J-Love in a thread about the prospects for Seattle's 2025 offense?

I commented on your post that stated Darnold's regular season last year could not have been just a by-product of Kevin O'Connell being a fantastic offensive mind. Nope, couldn't have been just that, because you watched a highlight video of Darnold.

I think you see how silly that comment was. It's ok, it happens. We will soon see how Darnold looks in a Klint Kubiak offense.

Let's try and stay on the topic of the thread, thanks. Again, should be a great season, looking forward to it!

That’s what you got from my post? I said the narrative was flawed, not incorrect. He wasn’t throwing to wide open receivers all game. He had to make the throws. And you come back with the super original “but didya see him against the Rams…didya?!”

And now it’s like “it should be a great season (unless you’re starting Darnold, amirite?!)” Just like the other thread where you randomly point out that the Packers have Matthew Golden, but at least MVS is a really nice guy with bad hands so we should be nice to him. I mean if that’s your schtick, that’s your schtick.

 

[CouchLogic]

There is no "schtick." I am looking forward to the NFL season overall. Should be great!

Yes, MVS has bad hands, but as I stated, he still some good speed, just not 4.29 speed. MVS is really the only WR the Seahawks have that can really stretch the field. And again, there is the added bonus of MVS being a high quality individual. Yes, I hope Seahawks fans treat him well. Is that too much to ask?
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Horton, Arroyo, and Fant are capable of stretching out the backend of a defense. I think JSN and Horton they will be able to do it with crisp rputes as well. There are many ways to open up gaps without straight line speed. It's nice to have a burner, but (I reckon) a good handful of those guys are basically decoys with so-so hands.