Raiders and Geno reach an agreement

[sc85sis]

I like Sam. He seems like a good kid. He’s a Trojan and gave us that thrilling Rose Bowl win in 2017 - one of the best games I’ve ever been to. He had the misfortune to be drafted by the Jets, which didn’t help him get his career started well.

I like Geno too. He stepped up ably when folks thought we’d tank after Russell was traded. He went from people lauding him to many decrying him despite doing the best he could with a crap o-line and inconsistent run game. He had the misfortune to be drafted by the Jets, which didn’t help him get his career started well.

I hope both guys play well in the next phase of their careers.

 

[keasley45]

Schneider clarified that at no time did Geno ask to be traded. The decision to go with Darnold was completely Schneider and Macdonald's. Nothing wrong with that. I would hope that they have the vision to execute what they think is best, and that they're not at the mercy of other forces.

I just don't understand the need for people here to think that Geno engineered the trade to the Raiders. There is no way he could have guaranteed that he would be traded to the team of his choice. And I don't think he would have preferred to be on the Raiders, a rebuilding team with a much worse roster.

Well to be honest, that's even worse. There seems to be a little bit of smallness to JS's character. Ad much as i was in fabor of Russ being traded, JS's negative feelings about Russ and his camp came through a bit too harshly. At the time, i thought it was justified. But then when all the drama went down around BWags... not taking the time to make sure Bobby was informed about what the FOs intentions were before we moved on... it was weird in a passive aggressive kind of way. To a lesser degree, the way Brooks was just passively ignored when FA hit and decided he woukd be better valued elsewhere... and to hear John's defense that he was so busy negotiating with Big Cat that he didnt have time to focus on it...

And now as you say, if he made Geno an offer and then traded him because he didnt respond fast enough or in the way he felt was appropriate... and as a result, we are potentially stuck with Sam Darnold...
Same as we were stuck at MLB last year when Brooks was let walk for pennies, well thats smallness. And we can argue all we want about how the MLB position turned out ok in the end. But how many games did we lose because of the way JS played it?

I'm pulling for him and everyone else on the team because they are Seahawks. But he has done enough and said enough questionable things in these last 2 years alone to make me a bit concerned.

 

[toffee]

Well to be honest, that's even worse. There seems to be a little bit of smallness to JS's character. Ad much as i was in fabor of Russ being traded, JS's negative feelings about Russ and his camp came through a bit too harshly. At the time, i thought it was justified. But then when all the drama went down around BWags... not taking the time to make sure Bobby was informed about what the FOs intentions were before we moved on... it was weird in a passive aggressive kind of way. To a lesser degree, the way Brooks was just passively ignored when FA hit and decided he woukd be better valued elsewhere... and to hear John's defense that he was so busy negotiating with Big Cat that he didnt have time to focus on it...

And now as you say, if he made Geno an offer and then traded him because he didnt respond fast enough or in the way he felt was appropriate... and as a result, we are potentially stuck with Sam Darnold...
Same as we were stuck at MLB last year when Brooks was let walk for pennies, well thats smallness. And we can argue all we want about how the MLB position turned out ok in the end. But how many games did we lose because of the way JS played it?

I'm pulling for him and everyone else on the team because they are Seahawks. But he has done enough and said enough questionable things in these last 2 years alone to make me a bit concerned.

Be kind to the face of the Seahawks, the architect of Schneider line, the only pair of eyes that identified Sam Darnold as our franchise QB. Here, the eyes of tiger, the belt, and just admire already.

 

[bileever]

Well to be honest, that's even worse. There seems to be a little bit of smallness to JS's character.

I wasn't suggesting that Schneider was acting out emotionally when he traded Geno, but the opposite. I meant that I think he decided at some point that Darnold was the better option. I know there are arguments to the contrary, but it's also reasonable to conclude that Darnold, for reasons of his age and potential and last year's performance, is the better option over Geno.

If there was any smallness to JS's behavior, it was in suggesting in his first comments that he did it because he was backed into a corner by Geno. But then he walked that back in subsequent interviews, saying that it was all him and not Geno.

 

[NoGain]

This was a no fault divorce, IMO. Geno wanted out (unless he got a premium amount of money from the Hawks), and JS saw him as an ever shorter bridge QB until he found someone else in the draft. The Hawks basically got a younger bridge QB for about the same amount of money the Raiders gave Geno, and a third round pick to boot. Geno is happy to be back with PC, and JS is happy to move on with a younger bridge QB and an additional pick.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

How this was going to play out might have been set whenJS did not want to extend Geno last year when Geno and his agent approached him.
I still want to know what was the guaranteed money in the Hawks deal vs the Raiders. That matters to me more than this year's salary or overall number. Geno wanted stability and my assumption is the Raider deal offered more

 

[NoGain]

How this was going to play out might have been set when JS did not want to extend Geno last year when Geno and his agent approached him.
I still want to know what was the guaranteed money in the Hawks deal vs the Raiders. That matters to me more than this year's salary or overall number. Geno wanted stability and my assumption is the Raider deal offered more

The Raiders can move on from Geno after one year, similarly to the Hawks ability to move on from Darnold after one year, although it will cost them more to do so. There's always that difference between guaranteed money and fully guaranteed money. But yeah, Geno got a little more than Darnold in fully guaranteed money by my eye, and the Hawks got a younger QB and an additional third round pick. I think Geno high-balled the Hawks more than they low-balled him.

 

[toffee]

The Raiders can move on from Geno after one year, similarly to the Hawks ability to move on from Darnold after one year, although it will cost them more to do so. There's always that difference between guaranteed money and fully guaranteed money. But yeah, Geno got a little more than Darnold in fully guaranteed money by my eye, and the Hawks got a younger QB and an additional third round pick. I think Geno high-balled the Hawks more than they low-balled him.

According to the field gulls article, it would cost $40mil+ to cut Darnold after one season.

 

[NoGain]

According to the field gulls article, it would cost $40mil+ to cut Darnold after one season.

17.5 million of Darnold's guaranteed money becomes fully guaranteed a week after the Super Bowl for 2026 if he's healthy.

PS> You're right about his dead money hit of 37.5 million after the coming season. Yes, it would cost the Hawks that.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Good riddens to Geno. He didn't want to be here anyway, so now that he is not a Hawk I could care less about him. His time is limited any way since he's getting up in age. He can have his 85 mil or what ever it ends up being and fall off a cliff. GeNoo has run its course, and I have a feeling he will not be as good in Vegas. My money is on Darnold having a better year this upcoming season.

 

[glenwo2]

17.5 million of Darnold's guaranteed money becomes fully guaranteed a week after the Super Bowl for 2026 if he's healthy.

PS> You're right about his dead money hit of 37.5 million after the coming season. Yes, it would cost the Hawks that.

Which means it will have to take a TOTAL implosion for Darnold for them to decide to eat that dead money.

If he's even half-way decent this year (which is extremely possible), he'll be the starter in 2026 as well.

 

[NoGain]

Which means it will have to take a TOTAL implosion for Darnold for them to decide to eat that dead money.

If he's even half-way decent this year (which is extremely possible), he'll be the starter in 2026 as well.

Yeah, I kind of see Darnold as a two year thing. Maybe more. I don't know. We won't know for awhile how this is going to pan out.

 

[Scout]

I, on the other hand, do see a vision on offense if Kubiak's presence is any indication.

It was already pointed out that Kubiak's offense would be more attuned to the running attack with playaction mixed in so Sam won't have to throw the ball 40+ times a game (basically) like he did in Minnesota.

The draft will also lay out what players will be involved in that vision (offense) as well, I imagine.

For that to happen it would require JS to draft OL early and often and another TE. We will see if that happens.

 

[Shane Falco]

For that to happen it would require JS to draft OL early and often and another TE. We will see if that happens.

Not to mention Kubiak and Phillips/O'Connell pass/run ratio in 2024 was pretty similar. It'll be more balanced than Grubb for sure but not so sure a big change from the Vikings offense in that regard.

 

[Scout]

Not to mention Kubiak and Phillips/O'Connell pass/run ratio in 2024 was pretty similar. It'll be more balanced than Grubb for sure but not so sure a big change from the Vikings offense in that regard.

There is a misconception with Kubiak's offense being run heavy which isn't entirely true. The short passing game is an important factor but even then you need capable TEs and OL to make it work.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And Geno already threw a Red Zone pick.

 

[Shane Falco]

There is a misconception with Kubiak's offense being run heavy which isn't entirely true. The short passing game is an important factor but even then you need capable TEs and OL to make it work.

I guess it'd be considered run-heavy in this day and age, not entirely sure, would have to look at the ratio's of all teams for the past 2-3 seasons.

2024 Vikings

run - 42.58%
pass - 57.42%


2024 Saints

run - 43.02%
pass - 56.98%

 

[toffee]

I like Sam. He seems like a good kid. He’s a Trojan and gave us that thrilling Rose Bowl win in 2017 - one of the best games I’ve ever been to. He had the misfortune to be drafted by the Jets, which didn’t help him get his career started well.

I like Geno too. He stepped up ably when folks thought we’d tank after Russell was traded. He went from people lauding him to many decrying him despite doing the best he could with a crap o-line and inconsistent run game. He had the misfortune to be drafted by the Jets, which didn’t help him get his career started well.

I hope both guys play well in the next phase of their careers.

Which Sam?

 

[glenwo2]

Which Sam?

I know you were trying to make a joke but the first sentence kind of gave it away that it was Darnold with the "He's a Trojan" (and I don't think sc85sis was talking about condoms).

 

[cymatica]

Enjoy those Red Zone Picks, Pete. He's gonna' make you look........PETEiocre.


(running for cover)

Oh for Pete's sake