Chicago. Big Mac/Defense, Geno, Grubb

[toffee]

Yup.

Grubb needs to go. Been saying that for 6 or 8 weeks now.

You should be able to scheme around a weak oline. He can't. And he refuses to do it.

Grubb needed to step down five games ago, but he will likely to be back for another year.

 

[Ozzy]

So Grubbs the one choosing out of a couple plays to stare down field and wait for long developing plays? Or staring down his receivers or refusing to run for firsts and just taking sacks. It’s all on Geno and it has been for a while and it’s all mental. Yall wanna blame Grubb so quick but a good majority of you were whining and bitching the minute he was announced.

Yep on the sack fumble he had a wide open checkdown that he has to hit and he doesn't. I'm not saying Grubb can't be better but people but we've also had an execution issue the past few weeks. T

 

[Ozzy]

The underlying root of the problem is the offense.

We all do realize Mac is asked about it every week, right?

Schlereth said it best when asked point blank what to do with Geno with respect to this offense and upcoming seasons:

“He's proven in the right system, with the right people around him, that he can be exceptional,” Schlereth said. “And I would lean more toward that than going out there and (acquiring) some guy that you think is going to all of a sudden have that Sam Darnold-type ascension.

To clarify, the system Mark is inferring 'isnt right' is the one we see every sunday. Fix the system and Geno and the whole thing is better.

Our offense as a whole is embarrassing. The line still isn't great and the running game is bottom of the league. To pretend as though some other qb will come in here and do all the remarkable things Geno does to actually make us competitive AND avoid the errors he's made that have hurt us is silly.

Its like Mac said himself just last week when asked about the INTs - yes, he threw the INTs , but he is the reason we are in the game to begin with. If not for his exceptional plays, how competitive are we.

Like Schlereth said, folks are quick to zero on on Geno becausr when things go wrong for the QB, its obvious. But the truth of the entire picture is not as cut and dry.

Do you hinestly think that a coach as smart as Mac has shown to be WOULDNT be more critical of Geno if the errors were as clear cut as the 'Geno must go' critics would like to make it seem and NOT a function of errors across the board in the offense? There's a reason he has coined terms like 'team errors' when asked to discuss some of Geno's INTs.

There's a reason he answers questions about plays like the last INT aganst Minny by saying hes not gonna talk about whether it was the route run or the play design or anything in between.

Its as obvious now with Grubb as it was with Waldron. - and i got flamed for calling him a hack too. But if you watch the film, its obvious. You dont have to feel any way about Geno. Its just obvious.

Two different OC's same problems but none of it is Geno's fault? His 15 picks and another should've been red zone pick last night yet none of its his fault? I can't sign off on that. I know you disagree and that's fine but Geno, Grubb, the line etc all of them need to do much better.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

The underlying root of the problem is the offense.

We all do realize Mac is asked about it every week, right?

Schlereth said it best when asked point blank what to do with Geno with respect to this offense and upcoming seasons:

“He's proven in the right system, with the right people around him, that he can be exceptional,” Schlereth said. “And I would lean more toward that than going out there and (acquiring) some guy that you think is going to all of a sudden have that Sam Darnold-type ascension.

To clarify, the system Mark is inferring 'isnt right' is the one we see every sunday. Fix the system and Geno and the whole thing is better.

Our offense as a whole is embarrassing. The line still isn't great and the running game is bottom of the league. To pretend as though some other qb will come in here and do all the remarkable things Geno does to actually make us competitive AND avoid the errors he's made that have hurt us is silly.

Its like Mac said himself just last week when asked about the INTs - yes, he threw the INTs , but he is the reason we are in the game to begin with. If not for his exceptional plays, how competitive are we.

Like Schlereth said, folks are quick to zero on on Geno becausr when things go wrong for the QB, its obvious. But the truth of the entire picture is not as cut and dry.

Do you hinestly think that a coach as smart as Mac has shown to be WOULDNT be more critical of Geno if the errors were as clear cut as the 'Geno must go' critics would like to make it seem and NOT a function of errors across the board in the offense? There's a reason he has coined terms like 'team errors' when asked to discuss some of Geno's INTs.

There's a reason he answers questions about plays like the last INT aganst Minny by saying hes not gonna talk about whether it was the route run or the play design or anything in between.

Its as obvious now with Grubb as it was with Waldron. - and i got flamed for calling him a hack too. But if you watch the film, its obvious. You dont have to feel any way about Geno. Its just obvious.

Here's a few that could have been just thrown away instead of trying to force them...yes he had pressure on a couple but still not exactly the best decisions by Geno.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Grubb needed to step down five games ago, but he will likely to be back for another year.

I'd rather have Waldron back at this point.....

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Say what you want about the Bears, but they have a lot of talent on offense. Holding them to 3 points on the road, on a short week is pretty impressive.

 

[toffee]

I'd rather have Waldron back at this point.....

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We could be talking about the playoff if we kept Waldron, not that Waldron's great or even good, just that our offense was more productive under Waldron. Come to think of it, could it be Greg Olsen was more in sync with Geno than Charles London?

 

[OrangeGravy]

Two different OC's same problems but none of it is Geno's fault? His 15 picks and another should've been red zone pick last night yet none of its his fault? I can't sign off on that. I know you disagree and that's fine but Geno, Grubb, the line etc all of them need to do much better.

Attack the post and not the poster please

 

[JayhawkMike]

The lengths some will go to to not blame Geno for anything is comical. And yes, Grubb and the Line are issues too but Geno has fatal flaws that will keep him from winning anything meaningful even if the OC and the Line were superior.

 

[hawkfan68]

Geno make mistakes. Dk makes mistakes, tyler makes mistakes. Lucas makes mistakes. Cross makes mistakes

And they all play in an offense thats one big mistake.

The problem is that Geno makes mistakes you don't expect a 12 year vet to make. Furthermore, he does so consistently.

 

[Rat]

This could have been a game the Seahawks have lost in the past. (A certain Seattle/TB in TB game comes to mind.

What game was that? The game we lost in Tampa two years ago, they were a playoff team that year and had Tom Brady as their QB. The 2016 team we lost to had a winning record also. Our only other loss in Tampa was in 2008.

 

[keasley45]

The problem is that Geno makes mistakes you don't expect a 12 year vet to make. Furthermore, he does so consistently.

He didng have that tendency last year or the year before. It would make sense to consider why its happening this year the way it is.

An OC can call a hame ro help his qb or to hurt him.

To decide which Grubb is for Geno, you need look no further than how he handled playcall balance and hung the online out yo dry by placing them in pass-pro 75% of the time at times with little to mask that Geno wohkd just be dropping back again and again and again.

Or how he consistently calls long developing plays on short distance downs with zero outlet, inviting sacks.

Or how our redzone offense is suspect to say the least.

I seriously do not understand how it isnt more obvious that there is a direct correlation between the ineffectiveness of Grubb's plans and in some cases play designs and the performance of the QB.

Geno is pushing too hard in a system where defenses know whats coming. Wanna call him stubborn for doing so? Sure. But a qb who his stubbornly teying to make lemonade from lemons and forcing errors is FAR DIFFERENT than one who cabt avoid them or isnt smart enough to do so.

Josh allen threw an INT in all but 3 games last year finishing with 18. His OC was proven far more effective than Grubb.. his offense was, really. Why the inordinately high number? Because he was pushing too much, trying to force results that werent there out of frustration.

If an all world talent like Josh Allen can throw INTs like he's getting paid to do so in a system far better than ours, doesnt it make sense that Geno coulf fall into the same trap?

 

[keasley45]

I would also say that Geno's worst enemy is Geno and that his desire to prove how good he can be, combined with his thin skin when it comes to criticism may ultimately be his undoing.

It was obvious when Pete was here that he was working with Geno to keep his emotions in check and stay focused on the task. I dont think he has that this year and this year more than ever, with an OC who was seen as a genius in the wings, has made him push even more to show that he can be great. Couple that with a system that in no way is qb friendly and you get the errors you've seen this year.

Geno needs to grow up to get to the next level. And he need a better system to help him play better.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

Okay, okay...you are right. get a better OC and everything will be hunkydory.
Whatever.

 

[keasley45]

Okay, okay...you are right. get a better OC and everything will be hunkydory.
Whatever.

No everything. But a good bit.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

 

[TOPHawk]

What game was that? The game we lost in Tampa two years ago, they were a playoff team that year and had Tom Brady as their QB. The 2016 team we lost to had a winning record also. Our only other loss in Tampa was in 2008.

The 2016 game. My point is, that was a game we should have, could have won. That’s also the game I truly realized Wilson’s addiction to throwing the deep ball.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

If you have a car that sucks and a mechanic that cant fix it, you cant expect the driver to win with it. In fact, you can likely expect him to make mistakes pretty often trying to extract more from it than it can offer.

That, in a nutshell, is 'all 3'. But what's the real problem in that scenario?

The manufacturer?

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

So can we get a OC onboard?

Waldron

 

[CPHawk]

Waldron