Geno Smith

[SonicHawk]

Geno leads the league in red zone interceptions but did you also know he leads the NFL in interceptions in his own endzone?

His touchdown % is the same and Cooper Rush and Devito in NY?

30th ranked passer on third downs

Interceptions at home the past two years? 18. Russell Wilson has 2

He had 5 ballls yesterday that could’ve been picked


We’re solely blaming DK for the last interception but Minnesota players are shocked he threw it considering the coverage
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That quote is meaningless. The route Geno is throwing is exactly the route that beats 2 high. In front of the safety, behind the CB. Usually you have some sort of short crossing that keeps the safety closer to the line but DK beats him one on one and can cut towards the sideline in front of the safety. That's where Geno throws it. Instead DK runs around the safety.

Here are what I think are the worst plays of the game by Geno.

3rd and 8 10:47 3rd Q

Threw a bad 50/50 ball to a covered DK when JSN beats his coverage.



3rd and 7 Q3 3:47

I want to highlight this one as a big problem with Grubb. 5 yards before and after the first down line there are no routes. No one crossing, nothing. You're reliant on bad route running DK, old man Lockett, and the heroics of JSN to pick up 20 when you need 7.



3rd and 1 Q4 15:00

Here's one of those "interceptable balls" -- A clear poor decision. I think you had two options for a nice floater towards the line that would've picked up the first. Instead he doesn't see (or doesn't think he has a chance to get to the ball) the LB who makes a good move at the ball. Also Grubb, 3rd and 1, not 3rd and 50.



3rd and 11 Q4 13:07

Ok, this is one of those plays that a slightly better O-line changes the game. Green and purple are the actual routes in this screenshot. The vikings defender gets to Geno here in less than .7 seconds and he steps up in the pocket but by then it has collapsed and he goes down. But in this moment he's eyeing a just-opened-up DK. Geno gets a full second and is able to toss it. How well he tosses it? Who knows.

But we also have Charbs on the left, which if DK doesn't beat the CB here Geno looks left and dumps it.

It's just one of those plays that if we had a slightly better oline we have a chance at make something special and not something solved by a new QB.

 

[Ozzy]

Good stuff Sonic. I think the first down sack was the worst play of the game when you factor in the situation. You absolutely could not take a sack there and Geno did.

 

[SonicHawk]

Good stuff Sonic. I think the first down sack was the worst play of the game when you factor in the situation. You absolutely could not take a sack there and Geno did.

Yeah, that's a real tough sack to take. It happened fast and in a way that he didn't really have a chance to rollout, but he starts by looking left and stays left a little too long -- sees there isnt anyone open and the second he look right towards DK in the middle he needs to immediately let go of the ball. If Geno looks right a half second sooner he completes to DK for another 10 yards.

What's frustrating rewatching that is how little DK reacts to coverage and the pocket collapsing. For a moment, Geno escapes but no Seattle WR tries to come back towards the ball. They just stand there.

Good example of Geno working a little slower than necessary.

 

[jammerhawk]

I repeat it's his head that keeps him from being a whole lot better than he shows. When he is centred and not focused upon getting sacked or the situational stress he can be solid, but he has bad habits which show through when the pressure is on, like talking unnecessary sacks, making dangerous throws, and playing scared. He could be a whole lot better than he truly is but the likelihood of that happening at this stage of his career seems low. Actually he seems to be going the opposite direction which is discouraging.

 

[SeaWolv]

5:10 mark

 

[Sperrydogg]

Do you think a qb with a presence like Tom Brady would cause people to do their jobs better? Like is leadership as the qb have that much influence on everyone, Tom Brady would not allow DK to run a route like that

 

[cymatica]

Do you think a qb with a presence like Tom Brady would cause people to do their jobs better? Like is leadership as the qb have that much influence on everyone, Tom Brady would not allow DK to run a route like that

Do you think a QB with the presence of Tom Brady would risk their legacy by playing on a team with a bottom 5 Oline and a college OC who calls 13 runs to 43 passes in a tight game? Tom would have knocked some sense into Grubb or demand his replacement. Geno doesn't have that kind of clout, nor do most QBs

 

[Sperrydogg]

Do you think a QB with the presence of Tom Brady would risk their legacy by playing on a team with a bottom 5 Oline and a college OC who calls 13 runs to 43 passes in a tight game? Tom would have knocked some sense into Grubb or demand his replacement. Geno doesn't have that kind of clout, nor do most QBs

You answer a question with a question. I never mentioned grubb. But I’m assuming your response means Geno doesn’t have the clout to get in DK’s face and demand perfection?

 

[cymatica]

You answer a question with a question. I never mentioned grubb. But I’m assuming your response means Geno doesn’t have the clout to get in DK’s face and demand perfection?

I just think it's unrealistic to compare almost any QB to Tom Brady. He might be 1 of a handful of QBs to ever play that could get through to DK to keep his head in every play, maybe. He also wouldn't look like Tom Brady trying to run this offense behind this oline

 

[Scout]

Brady's last year was like that with an iffy Bucs OL and a questionable coordinator. But even that was Brady's lone losing season they still manages to win at least 8 games despite the defense having some clunkers.

 

[cymatica]

Brady's last year was like that with an iffy Bucs OL and a questionable coordinator. But even that was Brady's lone losing season they still manages to win at least 8 games despite the defense having some clunkers.

They also beat us in Germany by committing to the run the entire game

 

[Sperrydogg]

I just think it's unrealistic to compare almost any QB to Tom Brady. He might be 1 of a handful of QBs to ever play that could get through to DK to keep his head in every play, maybe. He also wouldn't look like Tom Brady trying to run this offense behind this oline

I think there’s more than a few QBs active right now that could get more out of DK

 

[cymatica]

I think there’s more than a few QBs active right now that could get more out of DK

DK has been in the league 6 years. If he's taking plays off and running horrible routes that cause picks at this point in his career, I'm not sure any QB or coach can change that.

 

[PeruHawk]

What gets me every time with Geno is his lack of leadership. A play doesn't go well, he's pointing at the receivers or the OL. He never taps himself on the chest and admits when he screwed up. He doesn't elevate the team; he only elevates himself. I know the OL is hot garbage right now. But he's not moving around this year like he did in years past. Did the hip drop tackle last year mess him up that bad? The more he gets hit, the worse he plays and points the blame somewhere else. Sure, his interviews are all team friendly, but really... this guy just isn't a leader. Put someone back there who's willing to take as much responsibility for the failures as he is with the successes. Save $25 million and move on. I hear Kirk Cousins may be available for vet minimum this off season. (sarcasm)

No sure what universe you are living in, but I have seen the exact opposite of what you are saying.

 

[Wolfiegrrl]

No sure what universe you are living in, but I have seen the exact opposite of what you are saying.

I've watched every game this season and have yet to see Geno take responsibility for a bad play. The pouting on the side lines after bad plays just puts it over the line for me. When stuff is going wrong, you want a leader who can huddle with the group and get them organized, get them on the same page... maybe having Grubb up in the box is a bad idea?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He almost always takes blame right away in his post-game pressers. The in-game pouting stuff is a bad look. But he def. takes blame after losses. I'll give him that much.

 

[PeruHawk]

I've watched every game this season and have yet to see Geno take responsibility for a bad play. The pouting on the side lines after bad plays just puts it over the line for me. When stuff is going wrong, you want a leader who can huddle with the group and get them organized, get them on the same page... maybe having Grubb up in the box is a bad idea?

Repeat my post. I have seen the opposite.

 

[Ozzy]

Repeat my post. I have seen the opposite.

I have never seen him do what you say in game. To be fair to him we don't get to see a lot of the in game stuff and what they say to each other but I have seen what looks like bad body language towards receivers. Just a couple of weeks ago he seems to yell at Tyler Lockett after a miscommunication. He also seems to pout at times in games. Brock Huard, a big Geno advocate, even talked about it a few weeks ago. Geno and the offense were having a bad game and Geno kept just sitting on the bench by himself with bad body language while Howell was talking to the receivers trying to get them going.

But to his credit Geno always takes the blame post game even when its not his fault and he deserves credit for that, not everyone does that.

 

[jammerhawk]

He still seems to be a head case to me, and folds under pressure especially if he gets hit. To be great he needs to channel Baker Mayfield as Geno has legit arm talent. Something is missing and I say he’s missing the royal jelly and it’s his head rather than his ability that’s the problem.

 

[Hollandhawk]

He still seems to be a head case to me, and folds under pressure especially if he gets hit. To be great he needs to channel Baker Mayfield as Geno has legit arm talent. Something is missing and I say he’s missing the royal jelly and it’s his head rather than his ability that’s the problem.

Yeah I don’t think that’s even up for debate. He is more physically gifted than a lot of QBs. He just does absolutely baffling team killing dumb stuff for a guy who has been in the league this long.