That final interception was on DK

[cymatica]

Geno gets all the hate, but this is the 3rd pick this season(that I know of) that was directly as a result of DK running a lazy route and allowing the defender to undercut him. He was already at the very least half responsible for another one in the game.



I don't understand this. Don't think I've ever seen a vet continually do this and give up picks. How can anyone at this point still defend him? Ok he draws coverage from the defense, well now his lack of want to lost any chance of a win, while Geno stands up on the mic and takes the blame. He's such a waste of elite talent with crap like this. The fact that he did it with the game on the line with a minute left is inexcusable.

Macdonald better give him the Woolen treatment. Speaking of Reek, holy hell. I think him and DK must be sharing notes. We have 2 elite world class athletes who like to day dream in the middle of plays

 

[kidhawk]

The last pick isn’t close to the worst thing Geno did and I don’t understand why people are using it as a defense. Geno had some really great plays but twice yesterday he could have thrown the ball away and given us a good chance to win this game. Once in the red zone INT that is mentioned in the OP and the other was taking the sack taking us out of FG range. Both of these a simple throw the ball away and we get 3 points. That’s 6 in total. Doesn’t guarantee anything but in a 3 point game they are huge.

 

[cymatica]

The last pick isn’t close to the worst thing Geno did and I don’t understand why people are using it as a defense. Geno had some really great plays but twice yesterday he could have thrown the ball away and given us a good chance to win this game. Once in the red zone INT that is mentioned in the OP and the other was taking the sack taking us out of FG range. Both of these a simple throw the ball away and we get 3 points. That’s 6 in total. Doesn’t guarantee anything but in a 3 point game they are huge.

Now tell me which QB would look good throwing it 75% of the plays, most out of shotgun, behind that oline. When the coaches put a player in a position to fail, don't be surprised when they do

 

[keasley45]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

 

[kidhawk]

Now tell me which QB would look good throwing it 75% of the plays, most out of shotgun, behind that oline. When the coaches put a player in a position to fail, don't be surprised when they do

I’m not sure that Geno is put into a position to fail. Ask any qb considered to be good to great and the vast majority want more passes not less. My point with Geno is t that he’s a poor quarterback only that he makes some poor decisions. When you are under pressure and your team is in scoring position, many times, the best play is to throw it away and live to have another play. Too many times he tries to force something where a throwaway would benefit the team. This is one thing that RW did well most of the time. Sure it was often frustrating to take a FG when we were close to a TD but those 3 points can often make all the difference.

 

[SonicHawk]

First interception was on Geno because he should've thrown it away -- but also Noah fant, what the hell are you doing.



Fant, who had been coming back towards Geno prior to the throw stops and goes back towards the 40 yard line while the defender passes him after being stuck behind him goes to the ball.

It's not a good decision to make this throw, but it wasn't as terrible as when viewed live.

 

[kidhawk]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

DK has never been a sharp route runner. It was the biggest knock on him coming out of college. He has the athletic ability to to make up for it but his sloppy routes can hurt us at times. The final play here was one of those times. It just never should have come down to that.

 

[SonicHawk]

DK has never been a sharp route runner. It was the biggest knock on him coming out of college. He has the athletic ability to to make up for it but his sloppy routes can hurt us at times. The final play here was one of those times. It just never should have come down to that.

Our first TD was Geno throwing to a spot for DK.

You have 50 seconds and no timeouts and you have to drive at least 55 yards. Vikings are dropping 8. Geno is throwing to a spot that DK is designed to be at and DK has beaten his defender so now we just have to move in FRONT of the safety. DK runs an atrocious route and ends up behind the safety and we lose the game.

DK was by far the best option and it should have been a simple and easy first down catch running out of bounds.

It should have never come down to that? Yeah, probably. If Julian love doesn't inch back towards the center of the field (in red) and instead towards justin jefferson (who has already blown by Riq), he makes a play on that ball that was a TD. Darnold didn't even look him off, he just stared at Jefferson and yet Julian Love (who I have given so many props to these past few years) still moved towards the center. Like seriously Love, where are you going?

 

[hawks85]

Geno gets all the hate, but this is the 3rd pick this season(that I know of) that was directly as a result of DK running a lazy route and allowing the defender to undercut him. He was already at the very least half responsible for another one in the game.



I don't understand this. Don't think I've ever seen a vet continually do this and give up picks. How can anyone at this point still defend him? Ok he draws coverage from the defense, well now his lack of want to lost any chance of a win, while Geno stands up on the mic and takes the blame. He's such a waste of elite talent with crap like this. The fact that he did it with the game on the line with a minute left is inexcusable.

Macdonald better give him the Woolen treatment. Speaking of Reek, holy hell. I think him and DK must be sharing notes. We have 2 elite world class athletes who like to day dream in the middle of plays

Ok, but this doesn't make up for the first Int he threw or the 10 he threw up to this point. 3/4 of Smith's int's he should have thrown away, but he's forcing the ball in very very tight windows trying to play hero. If Geno had thrown the balls away instead of forcing them into coverage, we'd have a different record right now and this conversation wouldn't exist, just sayin'

 

[hgwellz12]

Yeah, DK & Riq can be two of the most loafingest motherfluckers that I have EVER had the displeasure of watching wearing our team uniform, and it, frankly, makes me wanna throw things at them. I'm trying to think of another athlete like them but I just keep conjuring up an amalgamation of both of their faces. Woolen, at times, just seems like he would rather be in the mountains somewhere high as hell foraging for wild huckleberries or some ******* shit . Like, "Oh SHIT! I forgot we're in the middle of a 12 play drive! Who was I supposed to be covering? Oh! Yeah. Shit!...well... too late....Jettas just got the TD. I guess I will saunter back to the bench now and think about Fortnight skins "

Maddening.

 

[keasley45]

Now tell me which QB would look good throwing it 75% of the plays, most out of shotgun, behind that oline.

This is where i am at. He gets lambasted for the errors but the dude is throwing wayy more often than is reasonable or even necessary. The 3rd and short throws on deep developing routes are asinine and have occured repeatedly, even in this last game.

Should Geno throw it away? Sure. But he shouldnt be throwing at a 3:1 ratio to begin with. Its a recipe for failure because you sre handing the D too much of an advantage.

 

[hgwellz12]

Our first TD was Geno throwing to a spot for DK.

You have 50 seconds and no timeouts and you have to drive at least 55 yards. Vikings are dropping 8. Geno is throwing to a spot that DK is designed to be at and DK has beaten his defender so now we just have to move in FRONT of the safety. DK runs an atrocious route and ends up behind the safety and we lose the game.

DK was by far the best option and it should have been a simple and easy first down catch running out of bounds.

It should have never come down to that? Yeah, probably. If Julian love doesn't inch back towards the center of the field (in red) and instead towards justin jefferson (who has already blown by Riq), he makes a play on that ball that was a TD. Darnold didn't even look him off, he just stared at Jefferson and yet Julian Love (who I have given so many props to these past few years) still moved towards the center. Like seriously Love, where are you going?

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Re: J Love - That play really highlights the difference between a player doggin' it (Riq Woolen), and player who just effed up/made the wrong read (Love). It happens, and you hate to see the mess, but give me the guy, EVERY TIME, who gives full effort and just happens to occasionally brain fart and miss a read over the guy that half-asses it and sleepwalks in coverage like Riq seems to do too damn often.

 

[Fernie Hawks Fan]

THIS^^^^

 

[Aircrew]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

As an employer who's seen this kind of behavior in employees, it most likely means he's given up. If we can get something in return, I'm all for trading him in the offseason.

 

[cymatica]

I’m not sure that Geno is put into a position to fail. Ask any qb considered to be good to great and the vast majority want more passes not less. My point with Geno is t that he’s a poor quarterback only that he makes some poor decisions. When you are under pressure and your team is in scoring position, many times, the best play is to throw it away and live to have another play. Too many times he tries to force something where a throwaway would benefit the team. This is one thing that RW did well most of the time. Sure it was often frustrating to take a FG when we were close to a TD but those 3 points can often make all the difference.

Yep RW wanted more and not less and look how that turned out. WRs always want the ball, that doesn't mean you tip your hand and throw it at one receiver 75% of the time.

Yes Geno makes poor decisions sometimes, just like most QBs. The difference is that most QBs aren't snapping out of shotgun the vast majority of snaps and their OC isn't calling 13 runs to 43 passes in a close game with the run game working.

Geno is 100% being set up for failure because Grubb is making it too easy on defenses to tee off while he's basically telling Geno to make up for his college habits with his rocket arm. There's absolutely no question that his numbers would look much better with an actual NFL offense that utilizes the run and play action game.

Just look what Grubb did when Howell went in vs GB. He had him throwing it almost every play and then he admitted that he didn't change the plan. How anyone doesn't see Grubb as the main problem is beyond me.

 

[Natethegreat]

Yes DK loafed. You know what else though. That throw was directly to a defender. He was there the whole time. DK probably thought there was no way it would be thrown to that spot.
It was a bad decision by Geno to throw that ball right to a defender. Especially with three defenders in the area.
The chances that DK comes down with it were next to zero.
The excuse making for Geno is absurd.

 

[cymatica]

Ok, but this doesn't make up for the first Int he threw or the 10 he threw up to this point. 3/4 of Smith's int's he should have thrown away, but he's forcing the ball in very very tight windows trying to play hero. If Geno had thrown the balls away instead of forcing them into coverage, we'd have a different record right now and this conversation wouldn't exist, just sayin'

You're completely missing the entire point. It's easy to say that as an armchair QB when you don't have 300lb dudes trying to take your head off and you are running an offense that basically tells them they don't need to even think about stopping the run. Imagine how easy opposing linebackers have it when they don't have to worry about play action.

 

[cymatica]

Yeah, DK & Riq can be two of the most loafingest motherfluckers that I have EVER had the displeasure of watching wearing our team uniform, and it, frankly, makes me wanna throw things at them. I'm trying to think of another athlete like them but I just keep conjuring up an amalgamation of both of their faces. Woolen, at times, just seems like he would rather be in the mountains somewhere high as hell foraging for wild huckleberries or some ******* shit . Like, "Oh SHIT! I forgot we're in the middle of a 12 play drive! Who was I supposed to be covering? Oh! Yeah. Shit!...well... too late....Jettas just got the TD. I guess I will saunter back to the bench now and think about Fortnight skins "

Maddening.

Woolen pisses me off more than Kelly Jennings did. At least with Jennings I can respect his effort.

 

[SonicHawk]

Re: J Love - That play really highlights the difference between a player doggin' it (Riq Woolen), and player who just effed up/made the wrong read (Love). It happens, and you hate to see the mess, but give me the guy, EVERY TIME, who gives full effort and just happens to occasionally brain fart and miss a read over the guy that half-asses it and sleepwalks in coverage like Riq seems to do too damn often.

For sure. He's been very consistent and shit happens. Justin Jefferson isn't the best WR in the league for nothing.

 

[Jville]

I said it in another post. He has stretches in games where he is disengaged.

He pulls a woolen in key moments all too often. It was the same situation in the first 9ers game. We fight back, have the ball at the end of regulation with a chance to win, and he runs a lazy route as if he isnt even expecting to be part of the play. The opening in coverage is obvious and he runs out of it.

And you could see it on his face on the sidelines that he knew he was wrong.

How many other No1 wrs in the league have cost their teams multiple victories?

Love his potential, but between the critical drops and costly errors... let him go and get someone else to take his spot.

We do indeed see players that appear to lose focus from time to time.

This brings back thoughts about Pete Carroll and what he looked for in a player. He liked players that could make 5 or 6 impactful plays in a game. Those impactful plays can make other plays look inadequate. Pete placed a lot of emphasis on tracking the in season toxic ratio. Big talent emphasis of that era.

Like fans, none of these players are perfect.