Geno Smith the headcase

[pittpnthrs]

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The idea that quarterbacks alone are capable of "making their own circumstances" is an utterly fanciful view of the sport that ignores the basic reality of football being a team sport.

However, if you're looking for a quarterback who HAS made their own circumstances to as large of a degree as any other:

How about the league leader in game winning drives since 2022?

How about the guy who has quarterbacked 2 winning seasons despite every other unit of his team being putrid?

How about the guy who has continually overcome circumstances in which the deck was stacked against him and still is here leading comeback victories?

Sorry, but there's a line here. No quarterback does it all. Every single one needs support. Burrow is 4-7 right now. Allen has never won a Super Bowl despite having way better performance around him. Patrick Mahomes has paltry production right now but his team is winning because their defense is fantastic and the offense is doing enough.

There is a hard limit to "making your own circumstances" as an NFL quarterback, and Geno Smith has gotten as close to those limits as anyone else in the league.

As for the parties that need to quit, maybe the goalpost movers who seem to prefer cutting their own dicks off to praising their clutch quarterback should consider quitting.

Why has the team been behind so often since 2022?

Two winning seasons at 9-8 due to an extra game sprinkled in. As close to average as a record can be.

What has he overcome? He was handed the starting job after the actual starter left and has responded with two mediocre seasons and a post season loss.

Yeah Burrow is 4-7. Ask anybody who they would rather have QBing their team between Burrow and Geno Smith and Burrow would win that every single time. Guys been in the league for 4 years and has already been to a Super Bowl while Geno Smith hasen't even won a post season game in his entire career.

Josh Allen? No Super Bowl but always a threat and plenty of playoff wins. Better than Smith? Of course he is. He's already throttled Geno and Seattle this year.

Mahomes? Good lord. Yeah Patrick isn't putting up Patrick Mahomes numbers, but does that mean he can't? The world knows what he can do when he's asked to ramp it up. Not sure why the best QB in the league was even mentioned.

I'll agree with you on something though, yes Geno Smith has come as close as he can to his limits,,,,,,,that's the problem here.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You're wasting your time Pitt. Just sayin.

Go Hawks

 

[beaumaris]

Geno is elite.

 

[bigskydoc]

If Geno Smith is so special, why did he sit for so many years behind other QB's (QB's that haven't done what your looking for) and why has he had nothing but an average career overall?

I really don’t care how Geno looked under Rex "Belichick would have the same number of rings without Brady" Ryan, who was pretty public with his disdain for the Smith pick, and Todd Bowles, under whom Smith had two injury shortened seasons. Nor do I think his time backing up Eli "least of the siblings" Manning, or Phil "The worst of the franchise QBs" Rivers, is particularly insightful. Neither of those QBs was getting displaced.

I don’t think he had a fair opportunity, until Pete and John gave him one.

 

[CallMeADawg]

The argument you continue to use for Geno is old and tiresome. You act as if no other QB in the history of the league is capable of replicating what Geno has done with the bad lines, defenses, and coaching and it's just nonsense. If Geno Smith is so special, why did he sit for so many years behind other QB's (QB's that haven't done what your looking for) and why has he had nothing but an average career overall? Again, he's a solid QB, but nothing special in the scope of NFL QB's. I'm not capping on the guy as he has performed pretty well, but he isn't God's gift to the QB position either.

Calls posters argument old and tired. Uses old and tired Geno arguments to make a failed and flawed case against Geno.

You can’t even play by your own rules dude. Give it up, your BS takes wouldn’t fool a toddler.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I really don’t care how Geno looked under Rex "Belichick would have the same number of rings without Brady" Ryan, who was pretty public with his disdain for the Smith pick, and Todd Bowles, under whom Smith had two injury shortened seasons. Nor do I think his time backing up Eli "least of the siblings" Manning, or Phil "The worst of the franchise QBs" Rivers, is particularly insightful. Neither of those QBs was getting displaced.

I don’t think he had a fair opportunity, until Pete and John gave him one.

Why weren't those QB's getting displaced (might as well throw Wilson into the mix too)? Evidently, Geno has been doing things that no other QB's could ever possibly do. Well, according to some anyways.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Calls posters argument old and tired. Uses old and tired Geno arguments to make a failed and flawed case against Geno.

You can’t even play by your own rules dude. Give it up, your BS takes wouldn’t fool a toddler.

Unfortunately, my supposed old and tired arguments still correlate with the current Geno.

He plays solid, decent football, but will never lead a team to higher heights than maybe a wildcard win (something he has never done). See, i'm even giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't the answer and never was.

 

[ScipioAfricanus]

ok Pitt - read this and respond if you would.... because the numbers basically shoot holes in your Anti-Geno agenda..... The O-line sucks

Opinions are like ....... everyone has one.

Just don't quite get the hand wringing over whether Geno is the right QB.... He is not a Top 5, future HOF'er. But let's just look at the data.....

Hawks - 2nd best Passing team in the league - 261 ypg
10th in total offense
Geno - 4th in total passing yards - 2781
Geno - 7th in completion pct - 69%
Geno - tied for 5th with 18 dropped passes by receivers

BUT......
28th in Rushing offense - 91 ypg
4th most sacks allowed - 32
Defense - 22nd in yards allowed - 350ypg - bottom 1/3rd in the league
3rd most penalized team in the league - 2nd most offensive holding calls &
tied for 3rd with most false starts

What the DATA says is this..... Geno is NOT the problem. The below avg offensive line is the problem. Drive killers - sacks, holding calls and false starts. Seattle is one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to those three things. K9 is a hell of a back. But this O-line is garbage. So it all falls on Geno's shoulders. The defense is bottom 1/3rd in the league. So basically anyone that has the OPINION that Geno is the issue.... i just chuckle at.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Unfortunately, my supposed old and tired arguments still correlate with the current Geno.

He plays solid, decent football, but will never lead a team to higher heights than maybe a wildcard win (something he has never done). See, i'm even giving him the benefit of the doubt. He isn't the answer and never was.

You have comprehension issues.

“If Geno Smith is so special, why did he sit for so many years behind other QB's”

Old. Tired. Can’t play by the expectations you had of Mael. After doing that, nothing further you say on the topic is to be taken seriously. You aren’t debating in good faith you are debating from your rump.

 

[flv2]

I enjoyed the game. I was happy with the outcome.
The better team lost, and the better QB lost.
...but it was entertaining.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, they weren't the better team yesterday, the Hawks were. I've said it for years, prior games don't mean a thing, what matters is who is the better team THAT DAY.
Finally, the Hawks were the better team.

 

[Chukarhawk]

ok Pitt - read this and respond if you would.... because the numbers basically shoot holes in your Anti-Geno agenda..... The O-line sucks

Opinions are like ....... everyone has one.

Just don't quite get the hand wringing over whether Geno is the right QB.... He is not a Top 5, future HOF'er. But let's just look at the data.....

Hawks - 2nd best Passing team in the league - 261 ypg
10th in total offense
Geno - 4th in total passing yards - 2781
Geno - 7th in completion pct - 69%
Geno - tied for 5th with 18 dropped passes by receivers

BUT......
28th in Rushing offense - 91 ypg
4th most sacks allowed - 32
Defense - 22nd in yards allowed - 350ypg - bottom 1/3rd in the league
3rd most penalized team in the league - 2nd most offensive holding calls &
tied for 3rd with most false starts

What the DATA says is this..... Geno is NOT the problem. The below avg offensive line is the problem. Drive killers - sacks, holding calls and false starts. Seattle is one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to those three things. K9 is a hell of a back. But this O-line is garbage. So it all falls on Geno's shoulders. The defense is bottom 1/3rd in the league. So basically anyone that has the OPINION that Geno is the issue.... i just chuckle at.

you missed the biggest stat that is hurting Geno and that's the fact he leads the NFL in Interceptions (3 way tie) 11tds and 11 picks. Thats not going to get it done.

 

[ScipioAfricanus]

you missed the biggest stat that is hurting Geno and that's the fact he leads the NFL in Interceptions (3 way tie) 11tds and 11 picks. Thats not going to get it done.

Look at the advanced metrics on INT's under duress. When you don't have time to throw, you're forced to make early throws, or on the run. There were so many times yesterday where Geno was just getting to his SECOND read before being sacked or forced out of the pocket. His completion% since taking over the starting job has been one of the best in the league. His sack rate is through the roof though. If he had a top 10 Oline, and time to get through his progressions, his numbers would be eye popping. I do agree though that he should run more. With this Oline- it should be 2-3 reads then take off.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Crazy how much the narrative on him and possibly McDonald would be different if he hadn't finished that drive off. Even from a vibes perspective. Was gutsy as hell to get that win, especially given the pressure and the fact the 9ers have owned us for ages. Was an awful pick earlier in the game, a few weeks back we wouldn't have been good enough to overcome it but it wasn't fatal and we held them to field goal.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Look at the advanced metrics on INT's under duress. When you don't have time to throw, you're forced to make early throws, or on the run. There were so many times yesterday where Geno was just getting to his SECOND read before being sacked or forced out of the pocket. His completion% since taking over the starting job has been one of the best in the league. His sack rate is through the roof though. If he had a top 10 Oline, and time to get through his progressions, his numbers would be eye popping. I do agree though that he should run more. With this Oline- it should be 2-3 reads then take off.

Agree with some of Genos picks but that pick was just bad yesterday, just a bad throw.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Horrible, and incredibly unnecessary. And certainly not on the o line or because he was under pressure. He forced it, it was bad. He owned up to it. His ability to bounce back is def. improved from the past.

 

[ScipioAfricanus]

Agree with some of Genos picks but that pick was just bad yesterday, just a bad throw.

Totally agree.... but reigning MVP Lamar Jackson went on the road also and totally laid an egg, in a key divisional game. 16/33 with an INT also. QB's are going to have bad days and bad throws.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Totally agree.... but reigning MVP Lamar Jackson went on the road also and totally laid an egg, in a key divisional game. 16/33 with an INT also. QB's are going to have bad days and bad throws.

100%. Stuff like the pick in the first 49ers game was just bad luck, same any time it's tipped up etc.

Only ones where I thought wtf was yesterday and the Rams ones.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

I'm glad he was clutch and got the TD for the win.

I won't forget him throwing the ball right into the chest of an opposing player with no Seahawks around for 10 yards or more, though.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Facts ^^