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We lost two games back to back. We need to take a step back and allow the team to grow, to gel, and to learn.

Think about it, we have a GM just lost his security blanket, a rookie HC who has never been a head coach in any level. Our HC hired a rookie DC, and an OC that never coached pro-ball. Rookie OC also hired an OL coach that never coached pro-ball.

We have two new staring MLBs, three new starting interior Linemen on OL, the play caller on OL didn't attend our training camp. and poor Charles Cross, three different positions coaches in three years.

See the learning curves? Patience
 
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3 loses in a row. No way will they beat SF. I might put 10k on SF. Unless the spread is -20. Then maybe not. Purdy is going to go almost perfect at around 25 for 25. And they will score on every drive. How you think that isn’t going to happen is beyond me.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. If new York Giants can win in Seattle, we can win on Thursday.

Go Hawks
 

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Very true. It's normal for people, especially passionate fans to want instant success. It can take time. I've seen enough of what Macdonald can build in Baltimore but he needs talent/the right guys and experience in the system. It's like learning a new job and trying to get comfortable with it( and I mean that for the players not as much Macdonald).
 

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Last year I would have been pissed after so many years on the Mediocre treadmill with PC.

This year with a new staff I am just looking for a season of building a foundation for the future. So I don't get too mad. I still would have wanted to build a long term QB but maybe next year. I get that St. Geno has mostly done fine but I am still not a believer against a good defense he will lead the team to wins.
 
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Last year I would have been pissed after so many years on the Mediocre treadmill with PC.

This year with a new staff I am just looking for a season of building a foundation for the future. So I don't get too mad. I still would have wanted to build a long term QB but maybe next year. I get that St. Geno has mostly done fine but I am still not a believer against a good defense he will lead the team to wins.
I would be happy if the team play with spirit, not looking disinterested.
 

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3 loses in a row. No way will they beat SF. I might put 10k on SF. Unless the spread is -20. Then maybe not. Purdy is going to go almost perfect at around 25 for 25. And they will score on every drive. How you think that isn’t going to happen is beyond me.
There's NO WAY the Hawks can win? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

And why do you care if someone else thinks they can or will win?
If you honestly think they have no shot, and you clearly do for some strange reason, then why bother watching the team play?

Honest question.
 

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Well, I mean, there's NO WAY the Hawks can beat the Almighty Float in Mid Air 49ers. Who are 2-3.

NO WAY we can beat them. Why even play the game? :rolleyes: 🥱
 

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We lost two games back to back. We need to take a step back and allow the team to grow, to gel, and to learn.

Think about it, we have a GM just lost his security blanket, a rookie HC who has never been a head coach in any level. Our HC hired a rookie DC, and an OC that never coached pro-ball. Rookie OC also hired an OL coach that never coached pro-ball.

We have two new staring MLBs, three new starting interior Linemen on OL, the play caller on OL didn't attend our training camp. and poor Charles Cross, three different positions coaches in three years.

See the learning curves? Patience
I think the biggest problem I really could have with the relatively small sample size of the MM era is that it seems like we actually regressed in this game.

I mean shit, we had the #2 ranked defense in week 3. Granted, the opponents weren't powerhouses.

Several people have mentioned it in scattered posts - particularly game day - but the first 3/4 of yesterday's game felt alot like a PC era game to me, including the nailbiter - "can you win a game in the 4th quarter?!" - finish.

Now, maybe it's the fact that after a few games, opposing teams have some film on the MM/Grub system. That's entirely possible. Like a backup quarterback you're facing - you don't have alot of intel on WTF he's going to do, so they end up looking like superstars.

What I saw: We stayed in Zone on D for FAR too long. And got burned for it - badly. You could see it, as soon as we switched to more man coverage - good things started to happen. And I honestly think on O that Grub either got to fancy - or didn't adjust properly. Shit, if we would have run the offense that was partially being run against us, and countered their rushes with a decent uptempo screen game to the outside - we would have done ALOT better. And, that's the offense that we got for the last 3/4 of the 3rd quarter - and by gosh - it worked!

Some off it's learning, granted. Some of it takes time. But I didn't like the regression. Felt a bit like Waldron for a while there - just bang our heads against the same wall hoping for a different result. And the amount of rushing attempts for K9 - kinda laughable. Now maybe we're in the dark, and he's not as healed as he could be or something - but that reeked of bad scheming to me.

If we have Oline problems. If Geno has, for some reason, for 6 years running at the position, only 1.8 seconds to get the ball out, then for heaven's sake - design the offense around the weakness.

And, as much as I've lauded MM for the "I'll cut you right now" - we were right back to missed tackles and a bunch of whiffs, and 4 guys to bring someone down yesterday. Which felt like regression to me - and is SQARELY on MM. He's calling the D. And don't get me STARTED on the run D. Jesus - you could drive a Tasty Freeze truck through the center of our D line! Said to the wife during the game: "AAAAnd, another 20 yards, and another 20 yards, and another 20 yards.".

Not ranting. Not out of control here - but I'd like to see us adjusting better in game. Which was one of my primary problems for the last few years of the PC era.

It's fixable - but yesterday was quite frustrating on a variety of fronts. Yes, it was a game with "You flip 3 plays and it's a different outcome" - but that's not what I primarily saw. I didn't see a Seahawks vs. Lions effort. I saw a Seahawks vs. Jacksonville play down to their level effort.

And, I don't know everything, and I'm shutting up now :) Last thing: if the Cards can beat the Whiners - so can we.
 
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I think the biggest problem I really could have with the relatively small sample size of the MM era is that it seems like we actually regressed in this game.

I mean shit, we had the #2 ranked defense in week 3. Granted, the opponents weren't powerhouses.

Several people have mentioned it in scattered posts - particularly game day - but the first 3/4 of yesterday's game felt alot like a PC era game to me, including the nailbiter - "can you win a game in the 4th quarter?!" - finish.

Now, maybe it's the fact that after a few games, opposing teams have some film on the MM/Grub system. That's entirely possible. Like a backup quarterback you're facing - you don't have alot of intel on WTF he's going to do, so they end up looking like superstars.

What I saw: We stayed in Zone on D for FAR too long. And got burned for it - badly. You could see it, as soon as we switched to more man coverage - good things started to happen. And I honestly think on O that Grub either got to fancy - or didn't adjust properly. Shit, if we would have run the offense that was partially being run against us, and countered their rushes with a decent uptempo screen game to the outside - we would have done ALOT better. And, that's the offense that we got for the last 3/4 of the 3rd quarter - and by gosh - it worked!

Some off it's learning, granted. Some of it takes time. But I didn't like the regression. Felt a bit like Waldron for a while there - just bang our heads against the same wall hoping for a different result. And the amount of rushing attempts for K9 - kinda laughable. Now maybe we're in the dark, and he's not as healed as he could be or something - but that reeked of bad scheming to me.

If we have Oline problems. If Geno has, for some reason, for 6 years running at the position, only 1.8 seconds to get the ball out, then for heaven's sake - design the offense around the weakness.

And, as much as I've lauded MM for the "I'll cut you right now" - we were right back to missed tackles and a bunch of whiffs, and 4 guys to bring someone down yesterday. Which felt like regression to me - and is SQARELY on MM. He's calling the D. And don't get me STARTED on the run D. Jesus - you could drive a Tasty Freeze truck through the center of our D line! Said to the wife during the game: "AAAAnd, another 20 yards, and another 20 yards, and another 20 yards.".

Not ranting. Not out of control here - but I'd like to see us adjusting better in game. Which was one of my primary problems for the last few years of the PC era.

It's fixable - but yesterday was quite frustrating on a variety of fronts. Yes, it was a game with "You flip 3 plays and it's a different outcome" - but that's not what I primarily saw. I didn't see a Seahawks vs. Lions effort. I saw a Seahawks vs. Jacksonville play down to their level effort.

And, I don't know everything, and I'm shutting up now :) Last thing: if the Cards can beat the Whiners - so can we.
Great post!

I am hoping to see a fired up team this Thursday, not a team that looked indifferent and played sloppy.

We have a lot of first timers in coaching, let's hope they haven't lost the locker room already, they shouldn't have, no reason at all.
 

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I'm upset just like everybody else but I believe in Macdonald. His defensive system has been VERY successful everywhere he's gone. It took the Ravens a little while to understand it as well as Michigan. We've seen flashes gentlemen on what it can do here. Like toffee said, PATIENCE.
 

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The entire problem including me everybody wants everything to be better instantly. No one has any patience to let this play out. They were saying the same shit in Baltimore. Give it time folks. So what if we lose Thursday, so what. It's not the end of the world. So what if we have a shit season, so what. We will have that Ravens D at some point and I believe it will be better. Matter of fact we'll be better than the LOB era. Coach Mike's D is extremely complicated but it's a beast of a system. Teams will fear us again.
 

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I agree. Some people seem to be almost rooting for failure because they didn’t want Pete to go. It may take a couple years for this to fully gel and Macdonald to get his guys. I just want to see a team heading in the right direction regardless of wins and losses.
 

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3 loses in a row. No way will they beat SF. I might put 10k on SF. Unless the spread is -20. Then maybe not. Purdy is going to go almost perfect at around 25 for 25. And they will score on every drive. How you think that isn’t going to happen is beyond me.

While I am on record as having predicted a loss, this is precisely the type of game the Seahawks win. Just when we all get suckered into believing they are going to lose, they win.

If you are a long time diehard, you should know that by now. If you are new, don’t be surprised if they win Thursday night.

And you also sound like you mistake the 49ers for being the fully healthy powerhouse team people expected. They are not, hence their 2-3 record.
 

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It’s going to take a couple years but MM is instilling a new culture, one ripe with actual accountability and discipline and it should pay off. The technical aspect of the schemes will also require time to master, but there’s no reason to doubt MM can’t repeat his prior success, just maybe not this year. He’s a smart guy and he and Grubb have made various adjustments at times this season and that itself is refreshing.

There is still an energy of enthusiasm with the new regime and they should be given the benefit of the doubt. Let them make a few mistakes and see if they make corrections.

I don’t see a win against the Niners yet, and the defense and OL are a mess, but it’s a continuing process and I’m believing we’ll see improvement in increments.
 
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