If we don't pay Geno some other team will

[Natethegreat]

Why teams want to sign Geno:
Accuracy, fast release, athleticism (he ran 20mph+ recently), poise under pressure, locker room friendly.

Why teams may not want to sign Geno:
Age

If Geno wants a two year extension, I will give it to him now if the price is right. If Geno wants 3+ years, we wait.

Poise under pressure? Geno is accurate and athletic and he has played well but poise under pressure is not his strong suit. He gets pretty rattled under pressure and quite frankly looks panicked. Not every time but quite often. Especially when they are backed up to the end zone.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

In his defense:
1. They should NOT be calling pass plays from inside the 5.
2. Hard to not look like you're rattled when you're playing behind a turnstile O Line

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Why teams want to sign Geno:
Accuracy, fast release, athleticism (he ran 20mph+ recently), poise under pressure, locker room friendly.

Why teams may not want to sign Geno:
Age

If Geno wants a two year extension, I will give it to him now if the price is right. If Geno wants 3+ years, we wait.

Throughout Geno’s career, you can say, the man did not play a lot for 7 seasons, so, currently as Geno is 33 years old, he does not have the wear and tear of those years he did not play consistently as starter for those full season games. He’s like 33 in a 27-28 year old frame but has the advantages of mental knowledge and only comes with studying the game for so long. Geno, has took everything he learned when he was backing up some pretty good QBs and stored it all and learned from some of the best.

While, Geno, may be 33 years old, he has not had his body sustain all those years of hits impacting his current ability to play at a high level.

He’s really like 27 years old….

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No way man, he's like 30! Just kidding. Def. a lot less wear and tear on him.

 

[Natethegreat]

In his defense:
1. They should NOT be calling pass plays from inside the 5.
2. Hard to not look like you're rattled when you're playing behind a turnstile O Line

No argument there. I think it would be really hard to not get happy feet when huge guys have been getting by your line.
But the reality is that it does get to Geno and he starts bailing when the pressure isn't even there at times and he does play panicked when things start breaking down.
I will say in the second half of the lions game he broke those tendencies a bit.

 

[seabowl]

Sorry, but I don’t see it. I don’t see another team paying someone big money for a quarterback that age when he had not performed good anywhere else.

 

[Natethegreat]

He was on the open market just 2 years ago and he didn't get offers. I think he should have but clearly he didn't. Also John was basically shopping him for draft picks and no one offered.
He has another year on his contract then we could franchise him.
Not sure why anyone is panicking about Geno not being extended right now.

 

[soxhawk]

Why not extend him then draft the QBOTF? Seems to have worked well in GB.

 

[toffee]

Why not extend him then draft the QBOTF? Seems to have worked well in GB.

That's my poi t, give Geno a two year extension, that allows us to draft the QBOTF that may need a bit of learning.

 

[toffee]

Poise under pressure? Geno is accurate and athletic and he has played well but poise under pressure is not his strong suit. He gets pretty rattled under pressure and quite frankly looks panicked. Not every time but quite often. Especially when they are backed up to the end zone.

His stats under pressure is above average, if not way above average.

 

[SeaWolv]

He should be getting paid at least as much as Daniel Jones:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wait until after the season. JS is the one in control here, as he should be.

 

[Rat]

I think people way overstate the whole "wear and tear" factor with Geno. There are examples of quarterbacks who were able to maintain consistently excellent play beyond the age of 35, but they are still a small exception, and the league continues to trend younger for their starting quarterbacks.

It feels like if "wear and tear" was a huge mitigating factor of whether a quarterback is able to keep up that high level of play, the league would be replete with talented career backups who transitioned late to quality starters as their contemporaries began to break down. I can't think of many examples of that. I suppose Rich Gannon would be a good one to point to. It wouldn't surprise me if some of you are able to think of 2-3 more.

I'm not completely opposed to the idea that his years riding the bench could help some in prolonging his career, but I really don't think it's as simple as taking the number of years he was a backup and subtracting it from his current age. On top of that, when he has been a starter, has Geno ever had the luxury of playing behind even a league-average offensive line? That kind of thing will accelerate physical deterioration.

Maybe Geno can be an exception, but I don't see the odds being enough in his favor where I would feel comfortable giving him a contract that keeps us on the hook for considerable money more than two years from now.

 

[Natethegreat]

Especially considering we have him for next year already and the franchise tag is available 2 years after that.
There is zero reason to panic about getting him extended.

 

[CouchLogic]

He's under contract, he can play it out....then come to the table with his resume, I'm not dishing out huge contracts on potential.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Why not extend him then draft the QBOTF? Seems to have worked well in GB.

A future starting QB is already on the roster. Sam Howell is a year younger than Bo Nix. No sense in wasting a pick on a potential possible player that may or may not pan out at a position where the top guy is barely in his mid thirties and the backup has a year of starting experience on a cheap contract. Especially when there are more glaring needs elsewhere. Sure, go ahead and use a high draft pick for a position that is already strong while continuing to ignore the positions that keep the QB upright and healthy.

 

[chris98251]

I could see the Phins signing him if Tua can't return. They are in now mode there and no QB.

 

[Rat]

He has another year on his contract

Well, damn. Everything I've said in this thread was under the assumption that he was going to be a free agent after this season because the initial post gave me that impression.

Why the hell does anyone care then? Did the NFL institute a transfer portal?

 

[chris98251]

Well it is in our best interests to sign him before his contract expires, now he is here to negotiate with in house, open market you are competing and he may feel a bit under appreciated that it wasn't done before he had his bags packed.

Get his O line fixed and he could play another three or 4 years before his arm fatigues.

 

[chrispy]

JS has put the franchise in a very good QB situation. Making a decision now decreases options and weakens the team. Keep all options open including extension, trade, franchise tag for this season and perhaps next and perhaps the one after that and a 2nd franchise tag is still available the year after that.

Pushing for a new contract now is like Denver signing an extension with RCW long before they needed to.