POLL: Geno Is Our Franchise QB

Geno is our franchise quarterback right now.

  • Yes

    Votes: 92 74.2%
  • No

    Votes: 23 18.5%
  • It’s complicated. Let me explain.

    Votes: 9 7.3%

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SoulfishHawk

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Yep. The Geno haters club is losing members faster than the 49ers and Rams are losing starters. The remaining haters are just like the Panthers, irrelevant.
While you make good points, people are not required to love the QB. Just sayin.

Welcome Jersey.
He or she is allowed to have an opinion. It's gonna' be ok Dawg. Lighten up.
Are we really gonna' just play the "anyone who doesn't think Geno is great is clearly stupid" card from now on?
 

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You either didn't watch Sunday or didn't know what you were looking at. Saying Geno has low football IQ is the worst take after the absolutely dominant clinic he put on display vs a very good defensive team, especially in the secondary.
I've watched every game since 1981 my friend. If it was such a dominant clinic as you call it, then why did it take until OT to eek out a win against a subpar team. Honestly, Brissette and Geno look like absolute carbon copies. The only difference is Geno has many more weapons than Brissette. Keep drinking the Kool Aid and when Geno craps the bed (he will you can bet on this) I can't wait to hear how it was the Offensive Coordinator/Defense/Offensive line's fault. I've seen this movie 2 years too many and it always has a bad ending!!!
 

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Exactly. So, do you need to talk down to anyone who doesn't think Geno is God? Just sayin.

Side note: Damn Jersey, you came in here with a bang.

I better go get my popcorn 🍿
 

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I've watched every game since 1981 my friend. If it was such a dominant clinic as you call it, then why did it take until OT to eek out a win against a subpar team. Honestly, Brissette and Geno look like absolute carbon copies. The only difference is Geno has many more weapons than Brissette. Keep drinking the Kool Aid and when Geno craps the bed (he will you can bet on this) I can't wait to hear how it was the Offensive Coordinator/Defense/Offensive line's fault. I've seen this movie 2 years too many and it always has a bad ending!!!
Anticipation Popcorn GIF
 

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It's week 2...I'll come out and be honest that I see Geno has a "fill in Quarterback" and one injury away from not being that franchise QB, which I will also say I hope is never the case. However, yes, you could say that with any QB for that matter. Do I want Geno to finish the season, sure, why the hell not. Geno as my "franchise QB?", I'm not so sure. John brought Howell in for a reason, because of something he saw before he went to Washington and after he played for Washington. Howell is what, 10 years younger than Geno? Howell has been given a unfair rap while under center playing for Washington, bad coaches, bad schemes, thrown feet first to the fire, sink or swim, whatever way you want to describe it. You can say he threw way to many interceptions playing for Washington, but man I don't think those stats tell the whole story. I just can't but imagine what can come to be, not only for the short term, but for the longer term with our organization as Sam Howell under center with our new and upcoming coaching staff. I am one of the few that would like to see Howell with a shot to play, but then again there's a reason I'm not a NFL coach, just a armchair fan with a non-X & O opinion. Let's not forget Geno asked for a new contract, nothing happened, I don't think our organization is 100% sold on Geno, but waiting to see the results down the road. IF Geno was that "franchise QB" as everyone is clambering for because we have won "two"games, I think the front office would have given him what he asked for at that moment. For you X & O guys coming at me with stats, don't bother, this is how I feel and personally would like to see at some point in the "near" future. Again, for the record, no ill will intended towards Geno. That is all.
 

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He still trends as someone who is not pocket savy and in my opinion does not have a very high football IQ. If you are all happy about slipping into the playoffs and going one and out, then Geno is your man, otherwise I think we really need to start looking for our long term guy! Go Hawks!!!
Spoken with the baseless bravado of a Jersey native.

We can agree to disagree.
 

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Listen let's get back to reality a little bit here. Geno Smith is NOT a franchise QB. He is above average, but on what planet does a QB who has played in the league for over 10 years and has never won a playoff game considered a franchise QB. Did he play well on Sunday? Yes, but I have seen this same pattern over an over from this guy. He comes up extremely small in BIG games and in no way do I want this Franchise to tie its wagon to a 34 year old journeyman QB. The first two games of this season were definitely winnable ones for sure, but let's be serious did we blow either of those non-playoff teams out? He still trends as someone who is not pocket savy and in my opinion does not have a very high football IQ. If you are all happy about slipping into the playoffs and going one and out, then Geno is your man, otherwise I think we really need to start looking for our long term guy! Go Hawks!!!

There is absolutely zero basis for the claim that he does not have pocket savvy. Same for the football IQ comment.

There is, however, both statistical evidence and clear tape evidence supporting the claim that he is a high-level pocket operator.

You say we need to get back to reality - but do you know for sure what that is? Your idea of it seems to be going back in time and using the perception of others to determine your reality.

My idea of getting back to reality is digging through the tape, the stats, the trends, and all of the available context surrounding the offense and using that to judge his performance in a factual manner.

Anything else is simply guesswork.
 

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Yes.

As in so many questions, it depends on how you define the term "franchise QB." Is he Mr Right? IDK. He's definitely Mr Right Now. ;)
 

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Listen let's get back to reality a little bit here. Geno Smith is NOT a franchise QB. He is above average, but on what planet does a QB who has played in the league for over 10 years and has never won a playoff game considered a franchise QB. Did he play well on Sunday? Yes, but I have seen this same pattern over an over from this guy. He comes up extremely small in BIG games and in no way do I want this Franchise to tie its wagon to a 34 year old journeyman QB. The first two games of this season were definitely winnable ones for sure, but let's be serious did we blow either of those non-playoff teams out? He still trends as someone who is not pocket savy and in my opinion does not have a very high football IQ. If you are all happy about slipping into the playoffs and going one and out, then Geno is your man, otherwise I think we really need to start looking for our long term guy! Go Hawks!!!
Already moving the goal posts in advance of Geno's first playoff win. Seems to be a pattern with his detractors.
 

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He is your QB of the 2024 season. He is adequate and value for money. You can win some games with him. There might be 20 to 30 other QBs you could win some games with. 14 to 18 of those other QBs are probably better QBs but would be lesser value for money.
 

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What, exactly, is a franchise QB anyway. Defining the term would go a long way to answering the question.
 

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I started off the season a couple of years ago saying he was our worst ever starting QB for the season...and all he did was prove me wrong.

He is peaking right now with no down slide in sight. I would be super happy to have him around for 2-3+ more years!
 

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Extend him at the bye, added momentum for the stretch
 

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I think he’s the guy until or unless something unforeseen happens.

He has some age on him but the odometer shows low mileage.
He hasn’t taken the beating that he would have had he been a starter all those years.

The fact that he ran 21 mph the other day (fastest clocked that week) shows that his legs are still good.
 

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He is more accurate than Hasselbeck. Can identify coverages better than Wilson. His top speed is faster than Zorn.
People that have followed this franchise for 5+ decades fully appreciate what Geno brings to the table. People that have not experienced the Stan Gelbaughs of our past are merely self-entitled adolescents. They don't know what actual suckage is. They don't know what they don't know. Their ill-informed response is typically a laugh emoji because they got nothing else.

He is top 3, right now, relative to pre snap reads and associated adjustments. The team is motioning on every passing down now to take full advantage. Grubb pushed him over the top in that category. He is just now beginning to master the "hurry up" game (calling two plays at once and hardly ever in trouble with the play clock expiring). Only a veteran presence can bring consistent excellence relative to those attributes. When it is time to finally hang up the cleats, I think Geno would be a natural in the broadcast booth as well.
 
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What, exactly, is a franchise QB anyway. Defining the term would go a long way to answering the question.
This is exactly the problem here; defining the term will yield different results.

The "Geno is" crowd: a franchise QB is the guy leading your team on a several year contract, with the ability to get wins, and in the right circumstances, take you all the way to the SB.

The "Geno is not" crowd: a franchise QB is a young, ultra-talented draftee on a rookie contract who will lead your team to many playoff wins and a SB, and do so for a decade, injury free, overcoming the flaws of his entire team to carry it.

The first is reality, the second is the ideal. Some teams in the league have the first, only a couple have the second. No one, absolutely no one, can predict whether the guy being drafted will be the first, the second, or something worse.
 

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Some of us do have a few arguments regarding why Geno Smith may not be the future franchise QB in the NFL with the Seahawks, but these points are context-dependent and could evolve based on his performance over this season. Hence, the first half of the Bronco's game in week 1 vs Geno in the Steeler's game in week 2. Here are some of the common concerns raised about him:

1. Inconsistency

One of the biggest criticisms of Geno Smith has been his inconsistency. While he has shown flashes of solid play, his performance can vary dramatically from game to game. In the NFL, consistency is crucial for a starting quarterback, especially when leading a team over the course of a season.

2. Turnovers

In his earlier career, Geno struggled with turnovers. His decision-making at times led to costly interceptions or fumbles, and turnover-prone QBs tend to lose games. The question now is do we still view him as a reliable or a risky starter?

3. Limited Ceiling

One can argue that Geno Smith may have reached his ceiling as a quarterback. While capable, can you say with complete confidence that he may be able to possess the elite-level talent to carry a team deep into the playoffs or to compete at the highest level consistently, which is often expected from starting QB's.

4. Lack of Experience as a Long-Term Starter

Although he’s had stretches as a starter, Geno spent much of his career as a backup. His lack of experience leading a team for multiple seasons raises questions about whether he can maintain success or handle the pressure that comes with a starting role.

5. Competition in the NFL

With many talented quarterbacks entering the league each year, there’s a constant influx of younger, more dynamic players, which I believe for us is Howell. Often teams might prefer a younger QB with a higher upside, relegating Geno to a backup or transitional role. Carolina, as they seem to be experiencing with their QB (cough cough Bryce), is not always a guarantee in the NFL, but what is to be perfectly honest. This may be where the Seahawk's front office stands at this moment in time, but holding their cards close to the vest.

6. Past Injuries

Though not a major concern recently, perhaps one minor injury I believe around the preseason this year, Geno has dealt with injuries in the past. His durability over a full season is another potential issue for Seattle in evaluating his long-term viability as a starter.

That said, Geno Smith is having a resurgence with our team, showing improved decision-making and accuracy, so some of these concerns may be outdated depending on his more recent performances. Still, these points reflect why certain some of us as fans, being critics, might argue against him as a long-term starting option. It's also possible that with the current new regime, they are better suited in hiding any flaws that Geno may possess as a QB, where previous coaching staff left him exposed. Only time will tell.
 
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Some of us do have a few arguments regarding why Geno Smith may not be the future franchise QB in the NFL with the Seahawks, but these points are context-dependent and could evolve based on his performance over this season. Hence, the first half of the Bronco's game in week 1 vs Geno in the Steeler's game in week 2. Here are some of the common concerns raised about him:

1. Inconsistency

One of the biggest criticisms of Geno Smith has been his inconsistency. While he has shown flashes of solid play, his performance can vary dramatically from game to game. In the NFL, consistency is crucial for a starting quarterback, especially when leading a team over the course of a season.

2. Turnovers

In his earlier career, Geno struggled with turnovers. His decision-making at times led to costly interceptions or fumbles, and turnover-prone QBs tend to lose games. The question now is do we still view him as a reliable or a risky starter?

3. Limited Ceiling

One can argue that Geno Smith may have reached his ceiling as a quarterback. While capable, can you say with complete confidence that he may be able to possess the elite-level talent to carry a team deep into the playoffs or to compete at the highest level consistently, which is often expected from starting QB's.

4. Lack of Experience as a Long-Term Starter

Although he’s had stretches as a starter, Geno spent much of his career as a backup. His lack of experience leading a team for multiple seasons raises questions about whether he can maintain success or handle the pressure that comes with a starting role.

5. Competition in the NFL

With many talented quarterbacks entering the league each year, there’s a constant influx of younger, more dynamic players, which I believe for us is Howell. Often teams might prefer a younger QB with a higher upside, relegating Geno to a backup or transitional role. Carolina, as they seem to be experiencing with their QB (cough cough Bryce), is not always a guarantee in the NFL, but what is to be perfectly honest. This may be where the Seahawk's front office stands at this moment in time, but holding their cards close to the vest.

6. Past Injuries

Though not a major concern recently, perhaps one minor injury I believe around the preseason this year, Geno has dealt with injuries in the past. His durability over a full season is another potential issue for Seattle in evaluating his long-term viability as a starter.

That said, Geno Smith is having a resurgence with our team, showing improved decision-making and accuracy, so some of these concerns may be outdated depending on his more recent performances. Still, these points reflect why certain some of us as fans, being critics, might argue against him as a long-term starting option. It's also possible that with the current new regime, they are better suited in hiding any flaws that Geno may possess as a QB, where previous coaching staff left him exposed. Only time will tell.
Everything you just wrote is subjective and opinionated. There is not one single measurable data point to back it up. This is the opposite of scientific method. This is a firehose of personal belief disguised as a formatted fact sheet. The last paragraph yields a grudging concession to reality and then immediately dives right back into a personalized view. You are losing this poll in overwhelming fashion, yet still justify your argument with group think validity ("certain some of us fans, being critics, blah, blah, blah"). I'm glad to see that most of the folks responding to the poll have a lick of football sense.
 

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