Geno won this game

[bsuhawk]

Oh I don't know, maybe the fact he has yet to ever do it? There will be do or die moments in the playoffs where he will have to put the team on his back and score a td in the red zone for us to win. Can he? Absolutely. Will he? That's the 64 million question. He has yet to prove that he can take that next step in the playoffs. Until he does, color me skeptical, and I hope he proves me wrong.

I'm assuming you are not suggesting that Geno doesn't have the physical tools to be a top QB in the NFL and win in the playoffs. He clearly does. So I'm assuming you are suggesting he doesn't have the "it" factor that allows some players to handle the pressure and be at their best with the season on the line. You seem to have forgotten the unique path Geno has followed to his current position, so let me summarize. In 2013 Geno was drafted into the swamp that is the NY Jets, where he was abused for two years. He then spends the next seven years as a backup before becoming the Hawks starting QB in 2022. From all accounts, he was a consummate professional who, for seven years, never complained, never stopped working, and never stopped learning. Most importantly, he's never stopped believing in himself. If you want an example of how to be successful in life, point to Geno Smith.

Do I know for a fact that Geno Smith will excel in the playoffs? Nope, but given what he's had to overcome during his career I'm not going to bet against him.

 

[Double Tribble]

I'm assuming you are not suggesting that Geno doesn't have the physical tools to be a top QB in the NFL and win in the playoffs. He clearly does.

I've never said that he doesn't have the physical tools. I've said he's a good qb and he's athletic. I just am not convinced yet that he can win games in the playoffs. If he proves me wrong, then yayy for us. That's all. No more, no less.

 

[Double Tribble]

1. One of the worst lines
2. One of the worst defenses
3. One of the most ineffective rusging attacks
4. An entirely ineffective play caller

And he was just outsude of top 10 combined his first 2 years.

He set the single season record for 4th qtr comebacks.

And you question whether he can throw 4 TDs in a game and bring us back from a deficit?

Got it.

Yes, I do. It's called having an opinion and not subscribing to group think. So sue me.

 

[JPatera76]

Yes, I do. It's called having an opinion and not subscribing to group think. So sue me.

So if group think was “he sucks, he needs to prove it” you’d be opposite?

Hmm sounds edgy. You must live life dangerously and on the edge. So cool.
/s

 

[Double Tribble]

So if group think was “he sucks, he needs to prove it” you’d be opposite?

Hmm sounds edgy. You must live life dangerously and on the edge. So cool.
/s

Good lord. So tiresome. This place is clearly not one where people can express a contrary opinion without everyone getting their feelings hurt. I'm done. I've had enough.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Having an opinion is cool, but pretending that opinion is backed up by anything concrete is where issues arise.

It's alright to say "I just don't trust him in the playoffs. I just have a bad feeling." without being like "1 TO 2 TDS IS BAD" and then refusing to acknowledge the statistical evidence that proves pretty conclusively that 1 to 2 TDs is pretty much all you can expect from any quarterback as no one averaged more than 2 per game last year.

One is a simple opinion. Just vibes. I have opinions like that - I think Jason Myers is a head case despite his overall FGA stats being fine, for instance.

The other statement, however, is a misappropriation of statistical evidence and, pursuant to Cunningham's Law... yeah, it's going to raise objection.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Don't care if he has 1 touchdown or 4
Don't care if he has 200 passing yards or 400.

Just win, literally the only thing that matters. People are just obsessed with stats and how it looks when a team wins. There is only one stat that matters. Wins or Losses.

He's the right guy and clearly the leader of THIS team. His coach and teammates CLEARLY believe in him. That's truly all that matters. And yes, I'm coming fairly full circle on the guy. And that's ok. I survived and everything.

 

[pittpnthrs]

1. One of the worst lines
2. One of the worst defenses
3. One of the most ineffective rusging attacks
4. An entirely ineffective play caller

And he was just outsude of top 10 combined his first 2 years.

He set the single season record for 4th qtr comebacks.

And you question whether he can throw 4 TDs in a game and bring us back from a deficit?

Got it.

Give him the things that he lacked like an Oline, decent defense and so forth and let him prove he can win in the post season. That's all some of us are asking. You think it's obvious that he can and some of us don't. It's more than just physical tools. I want to see the mentality. Will he rise above or fold like a cheap tent? As well as he has played, we've all seen both.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Good lord. So tiresome. This place is clearly not one where people can express a contrary opinion without everyone getting their feelings hurt. I'm done. I've had enough.

Also, I've felt how you feel.

Ask me about 2021 and 2022 when I had to be like one of 4 people in the entire fanbase telling people that Geno Smith looked actually good while the rest of the fanbase was frothing at the mouth for Drew Lock.

People certainly were not receptive to it. People were actively deluding themselves into thinking Jacob Eason looked better. Jacob. Eason.

 

[CallMeADawg]

When they first put Geno at the helm, my gut instinct was to hope for a miracle and get West Virginia Geno to appear out of nowhere.

Then 2022 played out and I was pretty pleased. Geno seems to be in great shape mentally and physically for this season. I think this will be his best year of football ever.

 

[keasley45]

Give him the things that he lacked like an Oline, decent defense and so forth and let him prove he can win in the post season. That's all some of us are asking. You think it's obvious that he can and some of us don't. It's more than just physical tools. I want to see the mentality. Will he rise above or fold like a cheap tent? As well as he has played, we've all seen both.

When has Geno folded like a cheap tent?

The fumble sacks against the Steelers and 9ers? The dude has been overcoming scheming, playcalling, a crap o-line and defense... simultaneously, not folding when things get a little hard.

He's never 'had time' to throw consistently since he's been here, including sunday. Still, he's been really, really good. Sunday, depsite questionable line play, he was accurate on 44 out of 44 passes. Zero missed throws.

What other qb in the league has a line as bad as ours and still hits on 44 of 44 passes? And that stat isn't my guess. It's measured by Sabermetrics.

 

[CallMeADawg]

When has Geno folded like a cheap tent?

The fumble sacks against the Steelers and 9ers? The dude has been overcoming scheming, playcalling, a crap o-line and defense... simultaneously, not folding when things get a little hard.

He's never 'had time' to throw consistently since he's been here, including sunday. Still, he's been really, really good. Sunday, depsite questionable line play, he was accurate on 44 out of 44 passes. Zero missed throws.

What other qb in the league has a line as bad as ours and still hits on 44 of 44 passes? And that stat isn't my guess. It's measured by Sabermetrics.

That dude doesn't live in a world where metrics, data, and facts exist outside of what he dreams up on his own. I appreciate the good data you provide, but this is who you are taking to:

 

[Lagartixa]

Also, I've felt how you feel.

Ask me about 2021 and 2022 when I had to be like one of 4 people in the entire fanbase telling people that Geno Smith looked actually good while the rest of the fanbase was frothing at the mouth for Drew Lock.

After the Wilson trade, I remember @Maelstrom787 and @keasley45 not just affirming that Smith might not be so bad, but going and showing what it was in Smith's appearances when Wilson was injured, and then in the preseason, that made them think so.

Like just about everyone else, I "knew" Smith sucked, so when I initially saw somebody saying he might not be so bad, I figured it was that irrational and unrealistic preseason optimism that some fans have, with a little of stating what they wished were true in hopes it would materialize. But as I read what they had written, I saw that they were making good arguments based on actual evidence. They knew the evidence was not overwhelmingly strong, but there really did seem to be reason to believe Smith might be at least noticeably less bad than I, like just about everyone else, had originally thought he would be. By the time the 2022 opener happened, I thought the Seahawks would lose, but I hoped they might at least keep it close. And I thought the team wasn't going to the playoffs, but I thought it might at least not be as awful as some rebuilding years are. I figured there was good reason to believe I could expect Smith to be at least a below-the-median-but-not-awful (i.e., mid-third-quartile) quarterback.

Even after the Seahawks won the opener in 2022, I still thought Smith was probably going to be a middle-of-the-pack QB over the '22 season, but it seemed a lot less unreasonable to hope for better. And it started to become clear that, the Seahawks might not have lost that trade at all, and it seemed unlikely they lost it badly like I thought when it happened. Of course, we now know that it was a great trade for the Seahawks.

People certainly were not receptive to it. People were actively deluding themselves into thinking Jacob Eason looked better. Jacob. Eason.

There was also talk around here that the Seahawks should tank 2022 for a complete rebuild.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

Can someone remind me, did our offense / Geno struggle against the blitz last year? The reason I ask if I heard one of the stats from Sunday was Geno was 12-15 vs the blitz or something like that

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He did seem extra calm out there. Focused. And behind THIS turnstile? Gotta' be fast.

 

[pittpnthrs]

When has Geno folded like a cheap tent?

The fumble sacks against the Steelers and 9ers? The dude has been overcoming scheming, playcalling, a crap o-line and defense... simultaneously, not folding when things get a little hard.

He's never 'had time' to throw consistently since he's been here, including sunday. Still, he's been really, really good. Sunday, depsite questionable line play, he was accurate on 44 out of 44 passes. Zero missed throws.

What other qb in the league has a line as bad as ours and still hits on 44 of 44 passes? And that stat isn't my guess. It's measured by Sabermetrics.

That's all great. Win a post season game. That's all i'm asking. I want to see his poise in a big game. Will he rise to the occasion or look like a deer in headlights? The regular season is meaningless and doesn't guarantee anything for what I want to see. He could have the greatest numbers ever in the regular season and that's not going to answer the question. I just want to see him in the post season to see if i'm wrong about him.

 

[CallMeADawg]

That's all great. Win a post season game. That's all i'm asking. I want to see his poise in a big game. Will he rise to the occasion or look like a deer in headlights? The regular season is meaningless and doesn't guarantee anything for what I want to see. He could have the greatest numbers ever in the regular season and that's not going to answer the question. I just want to see him in the post season to see if i'm wrong about him.

You have to play well in the regular season to make it to the post season. So that means the regular season is not meaningless.

Just more senseless babbling.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Can someone remind me, did our offense / Geno struggle against the blitz last year? The reason I ask if I heard one of the stats from Sunday was Geno was 12-15 vs the blitz or something like that

When using advanced pass charting, Geno grades out as one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the league under pressure.



In 2023, Seattle was the most pressured team in the league, but teams blitzed us less than average because their base rush was getting home. (PFR confirms - Seattle allowed highest number of pressures but not the top pressure rate. Seattle faced the blitz 20th most often.)

As far as production goes, Geno in 2023 had a slightly better than average dip in passer rating when pressured vs. when given a clean pocket.



So far this season, there has been a marked decrease in time to throw. Geno usually was around 2.8 seconds and he's under 2.5 this season, which is much faster than NFL average. There's been a big emphasis on getting the ball out quick, but even this hasn't allowed the line to hold up. Geno is dealing against the blitz, though. They're beating it like a drum, especially last week.




All charting from SIS (who I tend to prefer to PFF in terms of data).

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's a good QB, he's locked in. I was def. wrong about the guy. Love it.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

@Maelstrom787 Thanks for that breakdown. Is SIS a free site or pay? I looked at the price that Sharp charges for his betting / fantasy site and just about choked.