Dan Wilson new manager

[Crizilla]

Servais>Lou

Servais>Lou? You're probably in the 1% of total M's fans in the country on that one.

I mean are we going off of Woo really? Woo had went into the 7th inning with Servais for 4 straight starts. So that made zero sense. His batting lineup has been the same as Servais.

Miller has went deep with Servais too.

Not really. Dan has done things differently with the line up. He bats Moore first one of the games and it worked out beautifully. He's been keeping Rivas in the games. He had the guys bunt in extras. He intentionally walks one of the Giant hitters in extras. He told the players to get ready for war every night they go out there. You didn't see a lot of that prior. Also the pitchers going deeper into games thing...yes youre right when talking about innings but it's about pitch count. Dan has been giving the starters more pitches. The criticism Servais and DeHart got was mostly about the offense. These guys had YEARS to get it going it didn't happen. M's upper management is trying something different now in the dugout. That's usually how things work welcome to the real world. Once Dan and Edgar make a silly move and it costs the M's a game people will say see he's not better than Servais/DeHart. Can Dan get 9 years before we have the Dan vs Servais thing?

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Servais>Lou? You're probably in the 1% of total M's fans in the country on that one.

Not really. Dan has done things differently with the line up. He bats Moore first one of the games and it worked out beautifully. He's been keeping Rivas in the games. He had the guys bunt in extras. He intentionally walks one of the Giant hitters in extras. He told the players to get ready for war every night they go out there. You didn't see a lot of that prior. Also the pitchers going deeper into games thing...yes youre right when talking about innings but it's about pitch count. Dan has been giving the starters more pitches. The criticism Servais and DeHart got was mostly about the offense. These guys had YEARS to get it going it didn't happen. M's upper management is trying something different now in the dugout. That's usually how things work welcome to the real world. Once Dan and Edgar make a silly move and it costs the M's a game people will say see he's not better than Servais/DeHart. Can Dan get 9 years before we have the Dan vs Servais thing?

Moore only led off due to Raley being a late scratch. Woo had 92 pitches with Servais in August and 94 with Dan. With Servais in August, Woo was averaging about 88.5 pitches a start.

Miller the last start with Servais pitched a pitch more then with Dan. The last 2 starts with Servais he averaged 91 and thats the same Dan pulled him at. So, the theory that he lets them go longer is just a biased take from you. It needs more time to truly know but as of rn since you brought it up, is a false statement.

Ms were bunting more with Servais once Robles and Rivas were getting PT. The Intentional walk by Dan? Ive seen servais due that in extras and also at times he did not like vs Devers.(dumb move)

Its all how you see things and who u like and dont like.


And ya lets see how the offense does for sure. I think Seattle and i know seattle kills bats unless elite or HOF.

 

[Crizilla]

Moore only led off due to Raley being a late scratch. Woo had 92 pitches with Servais in August and 94 with Dan. With Servais in August, Woo was averaging about 88.5 pitches a start.

Miller the last start with Servais pitched a pitch more then with Dan. The last 2 starts with Servais he averaged 91 and thats the same Dan pulled him at. So, the theory that he lets them go longer is just a biased take from you. It needs more time to truly know but as of rn since you brought it up, is a false statement.

Ms were bunting more with Servais once Robles and Rivas were getting PT. The Intentional walk by Dan? Ive seen servais due that in extras and also at times he did not like vs Devers.(dumb move)

Its all how you see things and who u like and dont like.


And ya lets see how the offense does for sure. I think Seattle and i know seattle kills bats unless elite or HOF.

Miller went 92 pitches against LA in his last start with Servais but it was only 4 innings. Most managers would get as much as they could from him in that case. It's a doomed situation with a high pitch count early in the game. He definitely gets pulled there by every skipper in the league. When you talk about IP you have to talk about pitch count too and vice versa. When they were in DET it made no sense to not trust your (goat?) starting rotation when there's 40 games left in a division race. Ride your best players. None of them were deep into the 90s pinch count. Servais had back to back terrible moves in taking out Woo and Miller when they were dealing, was late in the game, and pitch count under 91. Glad you think not IW'ing Devers was a bad move!

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Miller went 92 pitches against LA in his last start with Servais but it was only 4 innings. Most managers would get as much as they could from him in that case. It's a doomed situation with a high pitch count early in the game. He definitely gets pulled there by every skipper in the league. When you talk about IP you have to talk about pitch count too and vice versa. When they were in DET it made no sense to not trust your (goat?) starting rotation when there's 40 games left in a division race. Ride your best players. None of them were deep into the 90s pinch count. Servais had back to back terrible moves in taking out Woo and Miller when they were dealing, was late in the game, and pitch count under 91. Glad you think not IW'ing Devers was a bad move!

Fire Dan Wilson! Bad Pen Moves. See how dumb that sounds?

Players need to execute.

Goat Rotation? Only in Seattle.

 

[Crizilla]

Fire Dan Wilson! Bad Pen Moves. See how dumb that sounds?

Players need to execute.

Goat Rotation? Only in Seattle.

The point ----> .

Your head ----> o

 

[Shanegotyou11]

The point ----> .

Your head ----> o

Facts>>>your opinion
Your lack of baseball IQ stands tall.

 

[DJrmb]

The biggest take I got from Moneyball was don’t draft high school players but mature college players that will make it to the majors in as little time as possible once their initial contracts expire they will leave and it will be next man up

Moneyball is about zigging while everyone else is zagging. It's not about any one specific approach. It's about taking advantage of where the market has blind spots. In the time of Billie Bean with the A's that happened to be high on base guys and college players. The market was undervaluing high OBP and college players. That doesn't mean that's what you should do now. It's all based on the market and what is being under valued.

 

[sutz]

A good MLB manager is maybe worth 1 or 2 WAR at best. Of all the major sports, MLB manager has the least impact on the team. They basically set a lineup and manage a bullpen. I've always said you can basically put a computer in the dugout nowadays with how everything has moved to analytics.

Actually, I think a big part of the M's problem have been over reliance on analytics and not playing basic baseball instincts. Over emphasis on bat speed to develop exit velo, leading to wild uncontrolled swings and poor plate discipline. Not sure it was all on Servais, either, it goes deeper than that. We're seeing maybe a bit more old school in play now, which is a good thing.

Seemed odd yesterday, though, seeing the Rays lineup have more hitters below the Mendoza line than ours.

 

[Threedee]

Fire Dan Wilson! Bad Pen Moves. See how dumb that sounds?

Players need to execute.

Goat Rotation? Only in Seattle.

It's a pretty great rotation. It lacks a Randy Johnson, but, he never had any solid starters behind him. Chris Bosio probably had a career year in 1995, and, he was still nothing compared to the guys we have this year. The 2001 rotation is the closest thing we've ever seen before.

 

[Crizilla]

Your lack of baseball IQ stands tall.

Lol. Ok Servais' career>Lou's career, you're right.

 

[Crizilla]

It's a pretty great rotation. It lacks a Randy Johnson, but, he never had any solid starters behind him. Chris Bosio probably had a career year in 1995, and, he was still nothing compared to the guys we have this year. The 2001 rotation is the closest thing we've ever seen before.

Not far behind that I'd go with the 2014 rotation they were 2nd in ERA. That team also was 1st in BP ERA. Just brutal they didn't make the offs.
Yeah agreed though this year is definitely the best they've had in terms of pure stuff.

 

[Threedee]

Not far behind that I'd go with the 2014 rotation they were 2nd in ERA. That team also was 1st in BP ERA. Just brutal they didn't make the offs.
Yeah agreed though this year is definitely the best they've had in terms of pure stuff.

I think the 2014 BP was historically great in terms of the MLB as a whole. Would love to be able to pair it with the 2024 starters.

 

[DJrmb]

I'd take 2014 Felix Hernandez over any of the starters on this team. That was a true Ace.

 

[Threedee]

I'd take 2014 Felix Hernandez over any of the starters on this team. That was a true Ace.

Well, yeah, we don't have a Randy or a Felix. Instead, we have five starters who are all much better than Bosio and Iwakuma.

 

[IndyHawk]

It doesnt matter now. Its what it is. Servais>Lou and ill stand on that. Lou was rated bottom 5 manager all time for the Ms by non biased analyst. Per them and reports. Lou blew 1997. He blew 2000 and 2001 by BP decisions.

Sounds familiar. The difference is one had 4 HOF players compared to 0 for one. Also, the stats linked below.

Same fans dissing servais, would have hated Lou now as well. Lou got love for 1995 and rightfully so. I love Lou. It doesnt mean he wasnt over rated for us.

He never had the starting pitching (not even close) that SS had so the
BP got used too much.

 

[SuperSonic67]

It’ll be interesting to see if SS gets another Managerial/head coaching position next year…bound to be some openings.

 

[IndyHawk]

It’ll be interesting to see if SS gets another Managerial/head coaching position next year…bound to be some openings.

White Sox?

 

[Shanegotyou11]

He never had the starting pitching (not even close) that SS had so the
BP got used too much.

And SS never had 4 hall of famers.
He also never had what Lou had for WAR.
Ss also is not rated bottom 5 all time for WAR as a manager. I loved Lou but he is vastly overrated here due to 1995 and 1st playoff berth ever.

Plus no social media.

Again Lou and SS are both my all time favorite managers but one gets way more excuses due to 1995 and no social media.

 

[Crizilla]

Lmfao^. If it wasn't for social media guys nobody would know the Ms had worst offensive play in their history! Lou overrated because no titles as an M's coach. Ya dude cmon couldn't win another ring with a 3rd team? Psshhh

Julio heating up. His approach and stance is different.

 

[SuperSonic67]

Edgar helping Julio’s swing/stance perhaps?