QB Controversy

[Cyrus12]

I'm glad Pete announced it immediately to rule out any controversy..but if Geno flops it's could get interesting for sure.

 

[hawks85]

Listen I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you Lock fans but I hope you realize there is 0% chance Pete plays him over Geno once Geno gets to 100%. Trust me on this. I think Geno is better but I am saying this from my knowledge on Pete Carrol.

Hold on a second....
Rule number 1 - Players don't lose their job to an injury
Rule number 2 - Rule 1 can be broken
The NFL goes by what have you done for me lately. Both QB's aren't starting quality in my opinion, but Seattle has to go with the hot hand right now, and that hot hand is Drew.

 

[sutz]

I still believe Pete thinks of Lock as a possible QBOTF. But he'll still start Geno for the rest of the year when he's healthy.

 

[Cyrus12]

I still believe Pete thinks of Lock as a possible QBOTF. But he'll still start Geno for the rest of the year when he's healthy.

I think Lock will always be a back up guy but maybe on the top tier of that side where he can get a nice contract. He has a bullet arm. No fear of putting him in there again. Best back up since Seneca.

 

[Scout]

Is there really a controversy? The Hawks should seriously consider drafting a QB on a five year deal in the first round next season. A QB on a 1st round rookie deal is a great bargain and lots of upside with cap space savings to keep the core group around.

 

[flv2]

Outside of the QB situation last night the offense looked more healthy and effective than it has for most of the year. The O-line looked good, particularly at T, and Walker looked like a game-breaker. Despite that they had 200 yards and 13 points at the 2-minute warning and they needed an improbable 92-yard TD drive to get the win. QB play, defense, coaching, and penalties are still an issue. Good game for Lock, but the bar is set too low.

 

[Rosco]

Outside of the QB situation last night the offense looked more healthy and effective than it has for most of the year. The O-line looked good, particularly at T, and Walker looked like a game-breaker. Despite that they had 200 yards and 13 points at the 2-minute warning and they needed an improbable 92-yard TD drive to get the win. QB play, defense, coaching, and penalties are still an issue. Good game for Lock, but the bar is set too low.

oline will always look good with a QB that is decisive and doesn’t hold onto the ball too long.

 

[sutz]

Actually, I though the penalty situation was quite manageable Mon night. Much more disciplined than the earlier games.

 

[Maelstrom787]

oline will always look good with a QB that is decisive and doesn’t hold onto the ball too long.

Geno got rid of it in 2.5 or less routinely against Dallas and it didn't help against them. I think there are levels to this.

I think we've got to simply delineate responsibility more appropriately. The continuity with both starting tackles playing together is obviously a big assist. This was the first game in which Cross and Lucas both played the full game.

Still, on offense they only had 98 net passing yards going into the final drive. Just over 3 yards per dropback. Glad the final drive broke that wide open because it wasn't looking good for most of the game, even with the general adeptness up front (although Philly is obviously in a bad place on D, lot of turmoil).

 

[flv2]

Actually, I though the penalty situation was quite manageable Mon night. Much more disciplined than the earlier games.

The 1st snap was a false start. They got from 1st & 15 to 3rd & 10-ish before punting. On the 2nd drive they converted the 3rd down on the 3rd play. They had another false start on the 4th or 5th play so they were soon back in 3rd & 10..and punting. By the time they got the ball back they were down 10-0. This offense struggles to overcome minor penalties. With a better or more explosive offense such penalties would be less of an issue.

 

[Rosco]

Geno got rid of it in 2.5 or less routinely against Dallas and it didn't help against them. I think there are levels to this.

I think we've got to simply delineate responsibility more appropriately. The continuity with both starting tackles playing together is obviously a big assist. This was the first game in which Cross and Lucas both played the full game.

Still, on offense they only had 98 net passing yards going into the final drive. Just over 3 yards per dropback. Glad the final drive broke that wide open because it wasn't looking good for most of the game, even with the general adeptness up front (although Philly is obviously in a bad place on D, lot of turmoil).

Against Dallas? Last I checked we are 3/4 games into the season. One game is not a season

 

[Titus Pullo]

Yawn...... Back to Geno next week. Wake me up when Drew is back in.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Against Dallas? Last I checked we are 3/4 games into the season. One game is not a season

Glad you are continually checking.

Anyway, both quarterback are reasonably decisive when the offense isn't forced into a single box and relying on their concepts to win. The variation leads to more predefined reads.

They're obviously improving as a unit, especially with both tackles being healthy for the first time all year. This isn't just a QB thing. It's an offensive collective thing.

 

[nanomoz]

It seems like the team benefited from being dedicated to running the ball effectively. It's almost like the constraints they perceive with Lock vs. Geno gives the team more of an identity. Kinda weird.

 

[Spin Doctor]

It seems like the team benefited from being dedicated to running the ball effectively. It's almost like the constraints they perceive with Lock vs. Geno gives the team more of an identity. Kinda weird.

Perhaps Lock is better at running the type of offense Pete wants to run. Geno Smith is a QB that needs rhythm. He's a bit like Hasselbeck in that way. I think Geno would be very successful in a more traditional style of WCO. He's extremely good at those short timing passes. Unfortunately, that is not how our play calling has ever been under Carroll's teams, even with Hasselbeck.

Lock is more limited a QB. I'm going to say that now. He's not as good at adjusting the defense presnap as Geno, he's also not as accurate either -- especially with the short passes.

What Lock CAN do though is extend the play better. Geno isn't immobile, but Lock looks more mobile to my eyes. He's also more willing to use his mobility to extend plays than Geno is. Smith always seems half a step too late to bail from the pocket. Lock seems to have a good sense of when to hold them and when to fold team in the pocket. He's also really good at those deep shots and can make throws that Geno can't down the field due to his cannon.

They got back to the basics with this offense. Lots of running, play action, it looked like an old school RW led offense to be honest. That isn't a bad thing in this context. Going pass heavy is not the move with this team despite our WR talent. I think you're on to something here.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Lock needs to start in Tennessee. We've seen what Geno can do all year and it's been average, so at this point if Lock is average then it's the same. Let's see how Lock plays after his emotional win.

 

[Ozzy]

Geno got rid of it in 2.5 or less routinely against Dallas and it didn't help against them. I think there are levels to this.

I think we've got to simply delineate responsibility more appropriately. The continuity with both starting tackles playing together is obviously a big assist. This was the first game in which Cross and Lucas both played the full game.

Still, on offense they only had 98 net passing yards going into the final drive. Just over 3 yards per dropback. Glad the final drive broke that wide open because it wasn't looking good for most of the game, even with the general adeptness up front (although Philly is obviously in a bad place on D, lot of turmoil).

I agree but the lack of offense when watching never felt like a lock solely problem. There were timely penalties, multiple drops, sustained drives by Philly etc it was just a weird game. Lock wasn’t great but I also don’t think he was sub 100 yards terrible either…..just a weird first three quarters. I’m not just giving lock a pass as Geno has had games like this too where the numbers look bad but when you’re watching it doesn’t feel like it’s really his fault. I could be overthinking this too or have my mind changed if I watched it again.

And I say that while still believing Pete proteas to go with Geno as the right move(with a short leash imo)

 

[Maelstrom787]

I agree but the lack of offense when watching never felt like a lock solely problem. There were timely penalties, multiple drops, sustained drives by Philly etc it was just a weird game. Lock wasn’t great but I also don’t think he was sub 100 yards terrible either…..just a weird first three quarters. I’m not just giving lock a pass as Geno has had games like this too where the numbers look bad but when you’re watching it doesn’t feel like it’s really his fault. I could be overthinking this too or have my mind changed if I watched it again.

And I say that while still believing Pete proteas to go with Geno as the right move(with a short leash imo)

Exactly, though. That's my point right there. A lot of the same problems exist regardless of quarterback.

This hints towards most of the issues being systemic and detail-oriented. This is why I'm hesitant to say this was a job-stealing performance by Lock, but that I'm also hesitant to heap blame upon the guy for anything except not hitting DK in stride on that completed slant (that had Tebow to Demaryius Thomas TD type potential). Obviously, worked out better in the end that we chewed more time off the clock, but I digress.

Point is that I need to really, really, really stay strict about separating my personal evaluations on the quarterbacks from my emotions about how the offense or game ended up otherwise. There is way, way too much noise (both in terms of on-field variables and emotional variables) that will color these evaluations all sorts of funky. Confirmation bias creeps in, winning makes individual issues easier to defend, losing puts mild criticisms on a much more severe level, etc etc.

I think both of our quarterbacks are well-coached, currently. They're reasonably decisive when not asked to be one-man-bands. They both have the arm talent to stretch a field when needed. They can both escape. They both seem to have overall positive locker room influences. They're team players. I think both are capable of modest-to-great success under certain circumstances. Yes, I have a moderate preference for Geno as I feel his arm is a bit more precise and his processing is a bit better, but what I think is happening in terms of the poll results here is that we're simply assigning a losing aura to Geno and a winning aura to Lock because Lock was on the field for this W, and we forgot what W's felt like after the L streak. I don't think that's honest evaluation. I think it invites too much bias that is entirely outside the scope of actually evaluating QB play.

 

[Ozzy]

Man typing out long posts on my phone is routinely a disaster lol. My last sentence should've said "I say that while believing Pete should go with Geno as the right move for now"

 

[nwHawk]

Eeo

…we've already seen WAY too many times Pete stubbornly sticking with dudes cause he doesn't want to admit he was wrong about them. Look no further than running out Jamal Adam's broke ass this year.

Agreed. Pete try’s to play it ultra safe, which is probably why the Seahawks never made it back to the StuperBowl. LOB was competitive as hell and want to dominate every game.