Did trading for Howell close the door on a 1st round QB?

[Maulbert]

I'm not looking for an answer, I know what I think. I ask this because there seems to be a lot of people who want the Hawks to draft Penix or Nix at #16. Just wondering how realistic people think that possibility is.

 

[Hockey Guy]

If the guy they really want is there @ 16 they will take him.

 

[Maelstrom787]

My answer is "No." Realistically, it probably closed it most of the way, but you never know. JS is a wild card sometimes, and if he's smitten... he's gonna get his guy. Sam Howell is both a good backup and an asset they could look at flipping down the road. The Eagles didn't make the trade for Pickett as an heir apparent to Hurts - same kinda deal.

 

[SNDavidson]

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Of course, it does not technically close the door. There will be QBs still on the board at #16. So I voted “no.” But if they are drafting a QB, we don’t need three. Let Nix develop for a year, and then replace Geno in 2025. I would also trade up to #9 to get him. However, the Howell acquisition signals that the Seahawks are (1) on the Howell train in 2025, or (2) drafting a QB in 2025.

 

[Maulbert]

Of course, it does not technically close the door. There will be QBs still on the board at #16. So I voted “no.” But if they are drafting a QB, we don’t need three. Let Nix develop for a year, and then replace Geno in 2025. I would also trade up to #9 to get him. However, the Howell acquisition signals that the Seahawks are (1) on the Howell train in 2025, or (2) drafting a QB in 2025.

Your desire that the Bears fleece us is well documented.

 

[Spin Doctor]

My answer is "No." Realistically, it probably closed it most of the way, but you never know. JS is a wild card sometimes, and if he's smitten... he's gonna get his guy. Sam Howell is both a good backup and an asset they could look at flipping down the road. The Eagles didn't make the trade for Pickett as an heir apparent to Hurts - same kinda deal.

Yeah, this move makes no sense if we end up drafting a first round QB. In fact, it kind of confused me from day one. I think you and I were in agreement there.

Not that Sam Howell is a bad QB, I think he’s FINE as a backup. It’s just the fact that his contract is almost up. He’s been in the league for three years now as well.

If they decide to draft a QB in the first I’ll be very confused. Either Geno is gone which imo would be a mistake, or you end up potentially just cutting Howell.

I’m not a fan of the Howell trade. He’s not QBOTF material. If anything I see him more as a Minshew tier character.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

There's probably 0 chance a QB we actually want is available there.

 

[Jac]

I think that JS is going to be much more aggressive drafting QBs. It's very possible that McCarthy/Penix/Nix are there at #16. QB's tend to be equal parts of being over-drafted, then free-falling. He'll have a decision to make depending on what OL are there and/or he gets an offer to move down to recoup a second or a third. But going forward I wouldn't be surprised to see him draft a QB every year. Maybe Howell counts as that draft pick this year, though...and that's your point.

 

[GemCity]

Technically, no but I voted yes. I believe that JS likes Howell and may also consider him to be “better” or have a higher ceiling than those in the upcoming draft.

I’m not sure I share the same sentiment but, the acquisition of Howell indicates we won’t be drafting a QB.

There IS always a chance…

 

[pittpnthrs]

I think it does. The Hawks have so many holes to fix that QB isnt a priority right now as Geno is serviceable. Howell is just back up insurance for the time being. They are going to ride the Smith/Howell combo for awhile until they can see what they currently have at other positions. Might take a few years.

Sure, they'll nab a guy if somebody falls into their lap that they really love, but I don't believe they are really looking in that direction right now.

 

[GemCity]

I think it does. The Hawks have so many holes to fix that QB isnt a priority right now as Geno is serviceable. Howell is just back up insurance for the time being. They are going to ride the Smith/Howell combo for awhile until they can see what they currently have at other positions. Might take a few years.

Sure, they'll nab a guy if somebody falls into their lap that they really love, but I don't believe they are really looking in that direction right now.

My thoughts exactly. Like him or not, Geno is a Pro-Bowler.

I think it would be kind of crazy to take the 4th or 5th rated guy at his position with pick 16 when the defense is bottom dwelling.

There’s always a chance that one of those guys ends up being the next TB, Manning, etc… but generally speaking, that’s a terrible draft approach.

Defense needs fixed. I’d like to see our O-line (well, trenches on both sides) beefed up.

I can see Geno and/or Howell doing very well behind a stout line.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Nope. You'll need two guys in 2025 and Geno won't be here then. Just my opinion.

 

[sutz]

I answered "no" but I don't think they will. I still think they will trade back for more picks on day 2/3. I'm just saying that the door is still "open."

 

[CallMeADawg]

Of course, it does not technically close the door. There will be QBs still on the board at #16. So I voted “no.” But if they are drafting a QB, we don’t need three. Let Nix develop for a year, and then replace Geno in 2025. I would also trade up to #9 to get him. However, the Howell acquisition signals that the Seahawks are (1) on the Howell train in 2025, or (2) drafting a QB in 2025.

You would trade up to #9 for Bo Nix? Are you crazy? B0-3 isn't a top ten pick dude.

 

[Jac]

You would trade up to #9 for Bo Nix? Are you crazy? B0-3 isn't a top ten pick dude.

Nix has a FAR better chance of falling out of the first round entirely than going that high.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good player, just not sure about his upside overall.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Your desire that the Bears fleece us is well documented.

Not true. I think Nix is going to be an excellent NFL prospect. I also think there’s a chance the Broncosget him at #12. If I’m right, Nix is worth 2nd round pick in 2025. I honestly believe this could be vey good for both teams.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

You would trade up to #9 for Bo Nix? Are you crazy? B0-3 isn't a top ten pick dude.

It is very hard to predict. About 50% of QBs drafted in first round fail, and it matters little statistically whether he’s drafted #10 or #20. If there’s a guy you believe in and can get at reasonable price, you make the deal. Watch what the Vikings do in this draft. I believe Nix and McCarthy are about equal prospects. I know that’s a minority opinion, but we’ll see what happens when they get to the NFL. Remember, Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant. Drafting QBs is a very imprecise business.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Nix has a FAR better chance of falling out of the first round entirely than going that high.

Seahawks don’t have a second round pick, so can’t wait that long even if you’re right.