SoulfishHawk
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What is a coach supposed to say? We're gonna' suck!
The Arizona Cardinals say this every year without saying it!What is a coach supposed to say? We're gonna' suck!
If Seattle’s defense again isn’t good this year, the problem is maybe Hurtt, but last year, Seattle had a lot of holes they were in the process of repairing, so I give Hurtt another year. Since there are more defensive pieces this season, Hurtt, can prove himself this season. If it’s terrible, I can see him being let go after this season.
We shall see.
I don't put a lot of stock in the X's and O's of Pete's coordinators, they run the schemes, fits and playbooks Pete wants them to run.
Now are they good communicators? Good motivators? Can they push back on Pete when he's wrong about in-game adjustments, or coordinate with Pete on those adjustments week to week and series to series?
THAT'S what I look at when evaluating our coordinators, on both sides of the ball. The players seem to love Hurtt, and he seems like he has a good grasp of scheme and formation, etc.
I think he had 0% to do with how bad the interior defense was, he did not let Bobby walk or sign a bunch of bargain bin interior D-linemen. Or trade for a broken safety who was suppose to be the lynchpin of the defense.
I think Pete sets the course, but it's been shown pretty conclusively (and often to the team's detriment) that he gives TOO much leeway to his coaches. He let Norton run his bass akwards, LB centric version of the defense for years before pushing him out. For two years on offense, he let Schotty and Russ stall the offense before altering it and then in 2021, let Russ do his thing before correcting course over thr last few games.
Last year on D, it was Hurtt who was the 3-4 mind. The defense was abysmal until we went back to what we used to run.
Just hoping Hurtt and Pete have had a chance to mind meld now over a year and get things right in 23.
good point, very good pointThe Arizona Cardinals say this every year without saying it!
Minor quibble. A defense that finishes seventh in sacks is not a mediocre pass rush. They were not great by any means, but they were not mediocre.The pass rush was mediocre and as good as it could be with what they had to use.
I have to say -Ask Hurtt in person if he is big on giving lip service! I like the guy and I believe he says what he means. I also think there is no one more disappointed with our defensive result last year than Clint. He has to be enthused about the influx of new talent. I know I am.
Minor quibble. A defense that finishes seventh in sacks is not a mediocre pass rush. They were not great by any means, but they were not mediocre.
The pass rush was mediocre last year. You could see for yourself--the eye test was pretty clear, and if you think we had a good pass rush, then you're fooling yourself.Minor quibble. A defense that finishes seventh in sacks is not a mediocre pass rush. They were not great by any means, but they were not mediocre.
DE | Jarran Reed | Mario Edwards | Mike Morris | Jonah Tavai, Jordan Ferguson | |
NT | Cameroon Young | Robert Cooper | Mone (injured) | ||
DE | Dre'Mont Jones | Myles Adams | M.J. Anderson, Ifeanyi Maijeh | ||
OLB | Boye Mafe | Taylor | Vi Jones | Cam Bright | |
MLB | Bobby Wagner | Nick Bellore | Joshua Onujiogu | Michael Ayers | |
MLB | Devin Bush | Jordyn Brooks (injured) | Jon Rhattigan | Robert Barnes | |
OLB | Uchenna Nwosu |
| Tyreka Smith | Patrick O’Connell | |
LCB | Devon Witherspoon |
| Chris Steele | James Campbell | |
RCB | Tariq Woolen | Isaiah Dunn | Arquon Bush | ||
NCB | Cody Bryant | Tre Brown | Lance Boykin | ||
SS | Julian Love | Jamal Adams (Injured) | Jerrick Reed II | Mo Osling, Christian Young | |
FS | Diggs | Joey Blount | Ty Okada |
I feel like the number of sacks needs to come from certain points of the season, versus certain teams.Minor quibble. A defense that finishes seventh in sacks is not a mediocre pass rush. They were not great by any means, but they were not mediocre.
Oh yeah, that's right, we racked up tons of sacks vs Mr. Sack-a-lot who used to play for us!I feel like the number of sacks needs to come from certain points of the season, versus certain teams.
If you have a bunch of sacks but they are against Chicago, is it really great?
However, if you are able to consistently pressure and sack the Niners and the Eagles, and even the Cowboys in December, that’s saying a lot.
Being 7th in sacks don’t count for much if games in Week 14, 15, 16, 17, you aren’t pressuring as much.
Stats can be misleading. It’s all about when and where, more so than the general overall number.
Tied for seventh is seventh, not ninth. If you want to delve deeper to determine, we had the same amount of sacks as Tampa and NY Jets. We faced less pass attempts than both teams, so we had the higher sack percentage of the three, hence seventh.We may have been 9th in sacks (not 7th, btw) but that doesn't tell the whole story.
I am a bit lazy to look up the stats, but could it be a case of our boys not getting hurries, pressure, etc., when they are not getting sacks?Tied for seventh is seventh, not ninth. If you want to delve deeper to determine, we had the same amount of sacks as Tampa and NY Jets. We faced less pass attempts than both teams, so we had the higher sack percentage of the three, hence seventh.
You're right about that. I was lazy and didn't look at the sack totals, just counted down to where we were listed on a different list that had us ranked 9th. But you're right, the Bucs and the Jets had the same number of sacks as we did. I apologize for the error.Tied for seventh is seventh, not ninth. If you want to delve deeper to determine, we had the same amount of sacks as Tampa and NY Jets. We faced less pass attempts than both teams, so we had the higher sack percentage of the three, hence seventh.
The defense started the season poorly (remember the Atlanta game), then asjusted to play reasonably well in the weeks prior to the Munich game. From the Munich game on, it was hit or miss again (mostly miss).The defense was decent until what, the Germany game where the interior line got exposed badly? Then it was all downhill from there.
So what you're saying isn't entirely true, and the defense is far more fluid than just 3-4, or 4-3, bear front, whatever.
Teams run all of the above, sometimes in the same game. We're no different. It's personnel that matters most, and our defensive personnel last year was awful. Especially after Brooks went down and Woods started wearing down and missing games.
I feel the same way about Hurtt as I did about Norton, they're the worker bees of the defense, not the architect. It's why the defense is still mediocre even after everyone on here wanted Norton's head. Doesn't matter, raise George Halas from the dead, bring in Mike Ditka, it wouldn't matter. Until you start getting playmakers and dogs all up and down that defense, it'll continue to struggle.
That is pretty much it. We were getting home with the sacks while other teams were not.I am a bit lazy to look up the stats, but could it be a case of our boys not getting hurries, pressure, etc., when they are not getting sacks?
The defense started the season poorly (remember the Atlanta game), then asjusted to play reasonably well in the weeks prior to the Munich game. From the Munich game on, it was hit or miss again (mostly miss).
Pete's entire philosophy in sport and from what one can glean from him, indeed in life, , good or bad, is all about empowering people to do what THEY do best. We have risen and fallen by way of his trust for the poeple he elects to play specific roles on this team. Whether QB, DC, OC, or by soliciting input from staff during the draft and letting position coaches and coordonators heavily inform draft selections, the guy is all about the process of building men and culture and letting the wins come as a result. NOT by prescribing an approach and relying on folks to simply do what theyre told. Honestly, i wish that over the years he HAD been a bit more results oriented in adhering to an approach because i'd bet we'd have been more successful. Decisions like giving Norton a shot, (not because he was a yes man, but because Pete saw him as a viable candidate that was 2nd to Richard for the job previously, worth investing in)... and then giving him such a long lead to make his approach to the defense work, could have been avoided.
I just hope that, like in 2012 to 2015, this time, Pete has selected the right folks. I think Clint has the makings of a good coach. He's been handed talent to be successful and an overall approach that has seen success in the league. By all accounts, the problem last year was personnel AND communication of responsibilities. You could reason that comms are a result of talent, but they are also a result of teaching. You can also reason that last year, we had too many teachers teaching and as a result, confusion. The message wasn't getting in and when it did, we often didn't have the right guys to execute the plan.
I think there's reason for optimism as both issues have now been addressed. A simplified teaching structure, and better players.
The arrow is pointing up. How high? We'll see. Clint seems to agree.