Pete Carroll Philosophy

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I have been thinking a lot about Pete Carroll’s philosophy since the last draft. The recent thread talking about Jamal Adams being such a bad trade factored into this as well. IMHO Pete Carroll is a guy who believes in people. He believes that if they are competitive and have a chip on their shoulder then he can work with them. I feel this goes into how he views the world. He used to work (not sure if he still does) with kids in reallllly bad neighborhoods at his own risk. Because of this unwavering belief in people and trying to help is at his core thus bleeding into his football philosophy.

You could look a the Jamal Adams trade as see this. JA when we traded was considered top tier if not the best in his position in the league. He had no injury issues and he has an undeniable competitive attitude and swagger (even if you don’t like it).
Percy Harvin was an extreme talent and a bit of a head case but because Pete feels that he can guide/reason/coach even the worst of head he taught this was a good move. He turned out injury prone and was a definite head case. Pete could not work around that one.
Marshawn Lynch was very rough around the edges coming from Buffalo but this was someone who Pete thought he could get the best out of. And he did.

While his philosophy may not work out as often as we like it is more than just football to Pete. Say what you will but the culture he has created in Seattle keeps the castoffs coming back and the loner coming here for a home.

We have seen this mentality in drafts as well. I think hopefully he has softened a bit on this mindset and has begun to take note of some of the red flags and may take a pass on some (looking at you Jalen Carter). There are those whose who feel that Pete is stuck in the past and can’t keep up with the modern league. No way. He is the modern league. He has adjusting many things over the years because he has the mentality of someone half his age.

Sorry for the rambling but hopefully you get the idea of what I am trying to say. I think Pete is the best thing to happen to this team (maybe second after Paul Allen). Despite his flaws all his positives outweigh the minuses by a huge margin.
 

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PC is also the best thing to happen to a lot of guys out there who needed direction and someone to care, pushing them to be more than they are/were. It's like the ultimate mentor role.

For everyone who thinks football is Pete's highest calling, I'd bet he disagrees. It's just one avenue for him to make men out of boys and troubled youth.
 

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The people railing thread after thread about firing Pete have gone silent for the most part, because they are wrong and he just schooled them.

The ones still claiming that crap openly in threads? Ignore them. They are clearly of zero football IQ, and aren't worth reading. One such low life apparently knows something about volleyball though.

It's all noise man. Meanwhile Pete is still winning more football games than his squads are "supposed to."
 

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You know how I know that this community isn't very representative of Seahawk fans? Because I read comments in other social media platforms. There are a TON of 12s out there that love this culture, this coach, and this team. Venture outside of this forum and the perceptions are overwhelmingly positive.
 

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You know how I know that this community isn't very representative of Seahawk fans? Because I read comments in other social media platforms. There are a TON of 12s out there that love this culture, this coach, and this team. Venture outside of this forum and the perceptions are overwhelmingly positive.
Disagree, this forum is more critical then the general public, yes we have extremes in views, but the general knowledge of long time fans here is extremely high, new fans still learning the game will gain perspective and get keener insight spending time here versus shock and awe sites looking for clicks. Casual fans out there, well those are the ones that sit and don't cheer, complain when other stand up to cheer, refuse to go to games when they don't have a winning record or are front runners, or if it's going to rain.

Also when you ask who's the best player for the franchise or first owner they say Richard Sherman or Kam who were good, and stare at you blankly when you say John Nordstrom.
 

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Disagree, this forum is more critical then the general public, yes we have extremes in views, but the general knowledge of long time fans here is extremely high, new fans still learning the game will gain perspective and get keener insight spending time here versus shock and awe sites looking for clicks. Casual fans out there, well those are the ones that sit and don't cheer, complain when other stand up to cheer, refuse to go to games when they don't have a winning record or are front runners, or if it's going to rain.
I mentioned the comments section, not the "shock and awe" to get clicks "content creators". The revenue seekers are not the "fans". They are the exploiters of fandom. If you take the time to read the comments of common fans you will see more positivity.

The negativity I see here is like a river. It just never stops flowing. No matter how much the team exceeds expectations the river never dries up. I can point to several threads on this current front page as examples. I'll give just one current page example of many, many more that accumulate on a daily basis. "Sean Alexander is overrated". Would you EVER see a Cowboys fan say that about their all-time leading rusher? I have seen the argument here that Marshawn Lynch doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Nor does Richard Shermon or Kam Chancellor. Would a Chiefs fan or Patriots fan ever concede that position for one of their great players? Don't even get me started about Pete Carroll or John Schnieder. In that regard the self-entitlement is beyond the pale. This type of fore mentioned negativity just permeates this community, but I come here, so I can obviously live with it.

I am personally guilty of being extremely critical of about two players total. Russell Wilson (he wanted my favorite coach fired) and Jamaal Adams (not him personally, but the amount given up for an extremely narrow skill set). For obvious reasons. Everyone else, I generally give the benefit of the doubt to, presenting both the positive and negatives involved.

I'm not going to write a ten-page report to back up what I'm saying. Folks can read the threads and make up their own minds. Folks that have lurked here for a period of time know exactly where I'm coming from.
 
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Pete Carroll is the best coach this franchise has ever had.

I don't believe in his ability to outsmart coaches like Mcvay in terms of Xs and Os on game day, but I believe that Carroll's long standing success outlasts coaches like Mcvay because he's ultimately a believer in people who looks for the best in young men, hence building a more positive, sustaining culture.
 
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I mentioned the comments section, not the "shock and awe" to get clicks "content creators". The revenue seekers are not the "fans". They are the exploiters of fandom. If you take the time to read the comments of common fans you will see more positivity.

The negativity I see here is like a river. It just never stops flowing. No matter how much the team exceeds expectations the river never dries up. I can point to several threads on this current front page as examples. I'll give just one current page example of many, many more that accumulate on a daily basis. "Sean Alexander is overrated". Would you EVER see a Cowboys fan say that about their all-time leading rusher? I have seen the argument here that Marshawn Lynch doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Nor does Richard Shermon or Kam Chancellor. Would a Chiefs fan or Patriots fan ever concede that position for one of their great players? Don't even get me started about Pete Carroll or John Schnieder. In that regard the self-entitlement is beyond the pale. This type of fore mentioned negativity just permeates this community, but I come here, so I can obviously live with it.

I am personally guilty of being extremely critical of about two players total. Russell Wilson (he wanted my favorite coach fired) and Jamaal Adams (not him personally, but the amount given up for an extremely narrow skill set). For obvious reasons. Everyone else, I generally give the benefit of the doubt to, presenting both the positive and negatives involved.

I'm not going to write a ten-page report to back up what I'm saying. Folks can read the threads and make up their own minds. Folks that have lurked here for a period of time know exactly where I'm coming from.
Shaun was over rated he was not a complete back. Spell his name right to be taken seriously. Lynch was a compete back, he could catch, pass block, run and did more on his own for yards then anyone I can remember since Campbell and Riggins. Or Ricky Watters who did play here also.

Shaun had great vision and a nice slide step move as well as the ability to make himself small. Gained a lot of yards doing that. But one dimensional.
 

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Shaun was over rated he was not a complete back. Spell his name right to be taken seriously. Lynch was a compete back, he could catch, pass block, run and did more on his own for yards then anyone I can remember since Campbell and Riggins. Or Ricky Watters who did play here also.

Shaun had great vision and a nice slide step move as well as the ability to make himself small. Gained a lot of yards doing that. But one dimensional.
SA 2001-2004 had more receptions, receiving yards and receiving TDs than Lynch had 2011-2014. The 2005 season saw SA targeted only 29 times, mostly because the run game was so dominant. Not exactly one dimensional.
 

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Now that everybody's done stroking Carrolls ego, lets look at it all. Yeah Pete is the best thing to happen to the franchise because he won a Super Bowl. If he hadent and Holmgren or Knox won one, they would be the best thing for the franchise. Pete bringing in head cases bites him as much as it lauds him. A lot of players leave Seattle and play better elsewhere. Take Bobby for example, he played better in LA than he did for a few years in Seattle. What about Dunlap having to tell the staff they were playing him wrong and then he came alive once they adjusted that. Pete's a great motivator, but he's pretty pedestrian in the X and O's aspect and I believe thats the biggest need. And besides last season, when has Pete Carroll teams won more than they are expected to win? They pretty much lay eggs in the post season so I dont get that comment at all.

The bottom line is most players benefit from a great coach more so than a buddy or a friend.
 

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Told ya so. It doesn't take much to bring them out of the woodwork either. All you have to do is say something positive about the organization and they come running.

No...... they are not a representative sample of your typical Seahawk fan. Far from it. It makes for a somewhat toxic forum community. As long as the newer folks understand that coming in.
 

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Now that everybody's done stroking Carrolls ego, lets look at it all. Yeah Pete is the best thing to happen to the franchise because he won a Super Bowl. If he hadent and Holmgren or Knox won one, they would be the best thing for the franchise. Pete bringing in head cases bites him as much as it lauds him. A lot of players leave Seattle and play better elsewhere. Take Bobby for example, he played better in LA than he did for a few years in Seattle. What about Dunlap having to tell the staff they were playing him wrong and then he came alive once they adjusted that. Pete's a great motivator, but he's pretty pedestrian in the X and O's aspect and I believe thats the biggest need. And besides last season, when has Pete Carroll teams won more than they are expected to win? They pretty much lay eggs in the post season so I dont get that comment at all.

The bottom line is most players benefit from a great coach more so than a buddy or a friend.


We knew pitt would show up eventually to wet blanket this shizzle.


Yes, all those players that left Seattle and played better elsewhere.

Graham
Earl
Sherm
KJ
Carpenter
Irvin
Griffin
Maxwell
Lynch
Bennett
Russell


Too many All Pro performances elsewhere to count pitt. Btw, almost ALL of these players have said they never wanted to leave, and missed playing for Pete in Seattle once they found out the grass wasn't greener elsewhere.

Sorry to interrupt your Pete bashing. Please, carry on.
 
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My favorite is the constant "you're satisfied with just making the playoffs" when it's not even CLOSE to the truth. That never gets old.
And IF they win a big game, don't you dare be happy!!!!
 
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Now that everybody's done stroking Carrolls ego, lets look at it all. Yeah Pete is the best thing to happen to the franchise because he won a Super Bowl. If he hadent and Holmgren or Knox won one, they would be the best thing for the franchise. Pete bringing in head cases bites him as much as it lauds him. A lot of players leave Seattle and play better elsewhere. Take Bobby for example, he played better in LA than he did for a few years in Seattle. What about Dunlap having to tell the staff they were playing him wrong and then he came alive once they adjusted that. Pete's a great motivator, but he's pretty pedestrian in the X and O's aspect and I believe thats the biggest need. And besides last season, when has Pete Carroll teams won more than they are expected to win? They pretty much lay eggs in the post season so I dont get that comment at all.

The bottom line is most players benefit from a great coach more so than a buddy or a friend.
Nobody says Pete is perfect. Then again what coach is? Of course us armchair coaches find it easy to criticize sitting on the sidelines looking back in hindsight. Which coach is more consistent? Sometimes players just don’t fit in our system or culture. You talk about players leaving and playing better but I think we have gotten more players from other teams that played better for us! People also act like Pete is just satisfied with getting to the playoffs?!?! Many of us long time fans know what not winning really looks like. We can appreciate what we have now. Many want to cherry pick what they do wrong and how much better we could be if we hired that person or changed schemes or just did things their way. Hahaha. Armchair coaches who don’t know anything or they would be doing it. IMHO the only reason they have gotten to the playoffs consistantly is due to Pete and staff despite an obvious lack of talent. This league is built on parity and Pete and staff have been bucking that trend for a long time now.
 

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We knew pitt would show up eventually to wet blanket this shizzle.


Yes, all those players that left Seattle and played better elsewhere.

Graham
Earl
Sherm
KJ
Carpenter
Irvin
Griffin
Maxwell
Lynch
Bennett
Russell


Too many All Pro performances elsewhere to count pitt. Btw, almost ALL of these players have said they never wanted to leave, and missed playing for Pete in Seattle once they found out the grass wasn't greener elsewhere.

Sorry to interrupt your Pete bashing. Please, carry on.

Nice list. Mostly made up of aging players when they left, but I get what your trying.
 
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