Poll: If Russ retired today does he make the HOF?

[JPPT1974]

He did win one SB but lost one as well. And that really like NW Hawk says he has changed since marrying Ciara there. Really needs to go back and being humble again.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

He is in. A lot is hate and bitterness in here from when he left.

 

[Lagartixa]

Brady making a difference now as in this year?? Um did you watch him play this year?

Brady was actually still an effective QB at age 45 while Russell Wilson at 33 was one of the worst starters in the league.

Brady was 8th in the league by DVOA, 3rd in DYAR, 14th in ANY/A, 18th in passer rating, and 18th in QBR.

Wilson was 28th in DVOA, 29th in DYAR, 23rd in ANY/A, 27th in passer rating, and 28th in QBR.

Brady had the second-best interception percentage in the league and despite being old and slow and having major offensive-line issues this season, he had by far the best sack percentage in the league.

By interception percentage, Wilson was 18th-best. By sack percentage, Wilson and Justin Fields were the only two sacked on more than 10% of their dropbacks, and this despite us hearing last spring and summer about how great Wilson's season was going to be now that he was going to a team with a decent offensive line. My prediction last spring and summer was that by mid-season, talking-head mediots would be wondering how the Broncos' OL had gotten so bad so fast. That actually didn't happen, even though the sacks did follow Wilson from one team to another as I expected. Wilson's overall performance outside the sacks was so bad that everyone understood why the Broncos' OL looked so bad.

It seems quite correct to say Brady was making a positive difference with his performance in the 2022 season while Wilson was not, and that's what I think @Hawkspeed was saying.

 

[seabowl]

Incredible?In todays game?Where a 46 year old has outplayed you?Seriously?

As another poster pointed out:

Nine pro bowls
2 Super Bowl appearances,
1 Super Bowl victory
NFL man of the year
#10 all time in Game Win Drives
#13 in TDs
#2 Passer rating
#3 Rushing yards by QB of all time
Almost tied Manning w/ the most wins in the first 10 seasons

You were saying…..

 

[FloridaSeahawk18]

Has there ever been a QB to make the HOF that has never received one MVP vote?

edit: no.

 

[BASF]

does this answer your question?

This is honestly the best look at exactly what I have been saying all along. Everyone always focuses on the skill position players, but watch how Sweezy is blown back into the passing lane by both of the defensive tackles (yes both of them went in his direction and Unger couldn't get over fast enough to help) . It was his job to steer his man to his left and anchor to make sure that the passing lane was open, and his failure doomed that play. No one ever pays attention to the trenches, but that is where games are won and lost. Belichick (the finest defensive mind in football, despite what one person continues to say) knew that play was coming and had his defensive tackles ready to attack that passing lane and disrupt Wilson's timing. Game over.

 

[IndyHawk]

As another poster pointed out:

Nine pro bowls-As a sub,second or third team(Was he ever first team?)
2 Super Bowl appearances-A whole team thing.
1 Super Bowl victory-Again if not team thing then HE lost one.
NFL man of the year-Why is this HOF?
#10 all time in Game Win Drives-Bunch of those because he put us in a hole.
#13 in TDs-Easy modern day stat.
#2 Passer rating-Again easier modern day stat.
#3 Rushing yards by QB of all time-Also top 10 of all time in being sacked(483)
Almost tied Manning w/ the most wins in the first 10 seasons- 9-7 in the playoffs (1 win the last 6 years)

You were saying…..

 

[bigskydoc]

The only eligible QB with 2 Lombardis that is not in the HOF is Plunkett. Eli Manning and Roethlisberger have yet to reach eligibility, but it seems accepted that both will get in. If Wilson had won XLIX, he would be just about guaranteed a gold jacket.

I made a mistake. Forgot about Phil Simms who also has 2 rings. He is generally not considered as one of the multiple ring quarterbacks because he never saw the field in his second Super Bowl. So, technically there are 2 eligible QBs with multiple rings, that aren't in the HOF.

Wilson was better in the regular season than either Plunkett or Simms, but his post-season stats, arguably, aren't as good as either of the other two.

 

[SonicHawk]

Is there any question that RW wouldn't be in the HOF. Don't count me as a RW hater, he won games for us, but unlike some of the actual HOFers, he doesn't have the talent to take a bad team and make them good. He's not some guy who would take a team to 13-3/13-4 and if he got injured they be 3-13/4-13. He'd take a .500 team and make them 11-6. I mean, excluding this year where he was actively a hindrance to Broncos wins.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Another SB win would definitely help Russ's case, especially if he completed the game winning TD pass.

I know a LOT of Hawk fans are still salty about how Russ left, but it's really in all our best interest for him to do well in Denver, get into the Hall and come back often to be celebrated in Seattle for what he is..........the greatest QB in Hawk history who was a big part of us winning our first SB.

Now that the draft pick incentive is out of the way, we should all wish good things for Russ. If for nothing else to selfishly pad him as a Hawk Hall of Famer and future Ring of Honor member.

All our best interest? I would get absolutely nothing out of that. The opposite in fact

 

[Sgt. Largent]

All our best interest? I would get absolutely nothing out of that. The opposite in fact

My bad, I thought it'd be a feather in our Hawk cap for more Hawk players to get into the Hall of Fame.

I guess our emotional spite and resentment carries more weight.

 

[Seahawker]

My bad, I thought it'd be a feather in our Hawk cap for more Hawk players to get into the Hall of Fame.

I guess our emotional spite and resentment carries more weight.

That is BS. This has very little to do with Hawk fan's growing cold ("spite and resentment") toward RW, it's about a former top 5 talent suddenly looking like an Arena league QB. This franchise doesn't need another HOF feather in our cap, we need Lombardi trophies, like the one that slipped away on the goal line. Yeah, that would be a nice 'feather in the cap' for Milton college if Dave Krieg made the HOF.
81% in this poll have spoken, 19% have ordered a Dangerwich at Subway, let it go man.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Let it go? He could say the same about you and the rest of the 24/7 whiners who are obsessed with a FORMER player. Geezus, the guy is long gone. Maybe YOU should let it go. I'm glad he's good too. But just because someone hates a player, that doesn't mean they are not HOF worthy. Or at least borderline HOF.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That is BS. This has very little to do with Hawk fan's growing cold ("spite and resentment") toward RW, it's about a former top 5 talent suddenly looking like an Arena league QB. This franchise doesn't need another HOF feather in our cap, we need Lombardi trophies, like the one that slipped away on the goal line. Yeah, that would be a nice 'feather in the cap' for Milton college if Dave Krieg made the HOF.
81% in this poll have spoken, 19% have ordered a Dangerwich at Subway, let it go man.

And you're not resentful lol.

Okay man, I'll let my enjoyment of seeing the greatest QB in franchise history who was a major part of our beloved Seahawks getting their 1st Superbowl win have the best chance possible of getting into the Hall......and instead hold onto a spiteful grudge until I'm lowered into the ground cause I can't let it go that he wanted to play elsewhere.

Cause no players ever do that!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I can literally picture someone folding their arms like a 5 year old who didn't get ice cream.

 

[Seahawker]

And you're not resentful lol.

Okay man, I'll let my enjoyment of seeing the greatest QB in franchise history who was a major part of our beloved Seahawks getting their 1st Superbowl win have the best chance possible of getting into the Hall......and instead hold onto a spiteful grudge until I'm lowered into the ground cause I can't let it go that he wanted to play elsewhere.

Cause no players ever do that!

Well you & Soulfish have 45K+ posts and I've never eaten a Dangerwich so I relinquish this thread to you.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Well you & Soulfish have 45K+ posts and I've never eaten a Dangerwich so I relinquish this thread to you.

Subway is gross, so we agree on this take.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm glad he's gone. Still has nothing to do with a legit question asked the OP. But please, continue to think he's Satan if it gets you thru the day. The childish is strong in this fanbase. The fact that someone would literally be MAD if he made the Hall. All because they hate the guy? Next level funny.

Subway sucks

 

[Torc]

I don't hate Russ. But "Seahawks fans" aren't the ones voting for the yellow jacket, it is members of the media. During the selection meetings, you'll have committee members arguing for and against each candidate. My contribution to this thread and to a couple of similar ones is based on the notion of "what points will the selection committee discuss when they're talking about Russ?" There won't be even a little bit of "hooray, we won a Super Bowl! Of course our QB deserves to be in the HOF" involved in the discussion. A lot depends on what players are up for selection at the same time, because only 5 modern era players get selected each year.

There's going to be a ton of stats and facts presented, both for and against. I think the fact that fellow players consistently voted him near the top of the yearly top 100 players list will have some influence. I also think all the reasons that he has never received an MVP vote will also have some influence - many of the people in the room will be MVP voters as well as on the selection committee.

I don't hate Russ. I think he 100% belongs in the ring of honor - which may use up a lot of space when all the worthy players on our super bowl team get added. But I think the HoF vote is going to be pretty split for all the reasons in this thread (both pro and con) and as a result other players will have more support to be one of the 5 finalists.

 

[rcaido]

That is some interesting points. I had Wilson ranked top 7 beginning of his career & top 3 pre injury as a Seahawks. I was curious to see if the NFL agree with that. Here are Wilsons ranking by QB per year by the press & players. BTW, in the last decade, Wilson has had the second best stats & accomplishments behind Brady.

2013 #11 QB & #51 overall player (Manning, Brady, Erin, Brees, Griiffin, Ryan, Flacco, Luck, Manning, Newton)

2014 #5 & #20 overall (Manning, Brady, Brees, Erin)

2015 #5 & #22 overall (Erin, Brady, Manning, Luck)

2016 #5 & #17 overall (Newton, Brady, Erin, Palmer) I think Wilson should have been top 3. The last half season was one of the best

2017 #8 & #24 overall (Brady, Erin, Ryan, Carr, Prescot, Brees, Rapeburger)

2018 #5 & #11 overall (Brady, Wentz, Brees, Erin) Should have been offensive player of the year or maybe mvp, lead the league in TDs, lead the seahawks in rushing, and responsible for like 90% of the points that year. Sadly we couldn't kick fgs

2019 #7 & #25 overall (Brees, Mahomes, Brady, Erin, Rivers, Luck) Not sure what happen here, he should have been ranked #2 behind Mahomes. He was equally as good as Brees, he was better then Brady, Erin, Rivers, & Luck) "Carried" the team to the playoffs too, unlike Erin 6-9-1 record.

2020 #2 & #2 overall (Jackson)

2021 #5 & #12 (Mahomes, Erin, Brady, Allen)If Wilson didn't get "handcuffed" maybe he breaks the NFL record for TDs.

2022 #11 & #61 overall (Brady, Erin, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrows, Stafford, Jackson, Herbert, Prescot, Murray)


Wilson seem pretty consistent being in the top 5 QB behind Manning, Brady, Brees, & Erin) & was Top 100 player all his career except this year probably. Would that be good enough to make the HOF?