Dan Quinn is Looking Like a Great Replacement for Pete

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I'd for sure give Dan Quinn another shot as a Head Coach, Hawks, or anywhere. Now he's been kicked around and seen the highs and lows. He's seen multiple organizations and what succeeds and what doesn't at the NFL level. His work with the Cowboys is showing he can adapt and evolve with the times. Just like we're seeing with Geno, a guy who wasn't prepared for his first go-round as a starting QB, but so far is showing he did the work to be ready for this opportunity.

Quinn did take his team to the Super Bowl, so there's that. The 28-3 debacle is more on his OC, IMO, and I guarantee that is a lesson Quinn will never forget. One simulation I saw showed that if the Falcons had just taken a knee three times and punted on every 2nd half possession, they would have won that game.
 

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He's not even the first coordinator I would hire from his own team.
Yeah. My list has to be in no particular order Moore, Riley and Peterson.

Peterson has won a SB, and has turned around hapless Jacksonville. Riley just wins everywhere he’s been, but doesn’t have NFL HC experience.
 

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Quinn is too hands off to be a HC. He is a younger version of Fangio.

Hard pass.
 
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Yeah. My list has to be in no particular order Moore, Riley and Peterson.

Peterson has won a SB, and has turned around hapless Jacksonville. Riley just wins everywhere he’s been, but doesn’t have NFL HC experience.
You would have to trade for Pederson, I don't think the Jags are interested.

Riley just unpacked his bags at USC, he isn't leaving anytime soon.

Moore who could be good, can't fix the defense. And you would have to start all over with a new scheme on offense.

Quinn is the most viable because he can fix the defense. While Waldron and Geno can continue to grow together.
 

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You would have to trade for Pederson, I don't think the Jags are interested.

Riley just unpacked his bags at USC, he isn't leaving anytime soon.

Moore who could be good, can't fix the defense. And you would have to start all over with a new scheme on offense.

Quinn is the most viable because he can fix the defense. While Waldron and Geno can continue to grow together.
Why are you assuming that he'd keep Waldron? If Quinn were hired he'd bring in his own guys and set up his own program. He's certainly a good DC, but good coordinators don't always make good head coaches. How well does he manage big personalities? How does he manage the coordinators under him? His results on the Falcons was mixed,

Also, just because you hire an offensive based coach doesn't mean that they can't fix a defense and vise versa. Seattle has quietly shifted into an offensive team since 2019 under a guy known for his defense. Belichick was known as a defensive coach yet he fielded some of the most explosive offenses that the NFL has ever seen. Andy Reid's teams have a strong defense, yet he's known for his offense.

Fielding a strong defense or offense is about more than just specialization. It's about drafting correctly and finding the right people to run the team. It's also about building a program and managing big personalities. I'm not sure I'd want to give Quinn a chance. His team went down the drain as soon as Shanahan left.
 

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I can't get behind the Quinn slander. He took 'em to the next level on D.

I agree with Fade. If Pete goes, Quinn'd be perhaps my first interview. Just makes sense. He might be an example of the Peter Principle in terms of being a world class DC and potential underachiever as HC, but no one is a sure bet.
Count me in on the Quinn train. Belichick also didn't fare too well in his first HC gig (he was HC of the Browns in the early 90s). At least Quinn did take the Falcons to the SB. So there's that.
 

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Quinn took his team to the super bowl. He DID let his OC manage the offense and was pretty hands off - it turns out too much so. Given his track record, I'm confident he learned a lesson. He consistently fields excellent defenses whether as a HC or DC.

I'd be beyond thrilled if Quinn were Pete's successor, and I kind of wonder if that's what he is holding out for (while getting very nice salaries as the Cowboys open the pocket book to keep him). Waldron (in combination with Geno) is impressing me, and I'd be very happy to see Quinn hired and retaining Waldron as his OC.

I'm glad Pete got another chance after getting fired from two other NFL teams. Quinn deserves one too.
 

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You would have to trade for Pederson, I don't think the Jags are interested.

Riley just unpacked his bags at USC, he isn't leaving anytime soon.

Moore who could be good, can't fix the defense. And you would have to start all over with a new scheme on offense.

Quinn is the most viable because he can fix the defense. While Waldron and Geno can continue to grow together.
Riley went to SC, because he wants to get to the nfl.
 
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Why are you assuming that he'd keep Waldron? If Quinn were hired he'd bring in his own guys and set up his own program. He's certainly a good DC, but good coordinators don't always make good head coaches. How well does he manage big personalities? How does he manage the coordinators under him? His results on the Falcons was mixed,

Also, just because you hire an offensive based coach doesn't mean that they can't fix a defense and vise versa. Seattle has quietly shifted into an offensive team since 2019 under a guy known for his defense. Belichick was known as a defensive coach yet he fielded some of the most explosive offenses that the NFL has ever seen. Andy Reid's teams have a strong defense, yet he's known for his offense.

Fielding a strong defense or offense is about more than just specialization. It's about drafting correctly and finding the right people to run the team. It's also about building a program and managing big personalities. I'm not sure I'd want to give Quinn a chance. His team went down the drain as soon as Shanahan left.
Quinn had Shanny in ATL. Waldron would fit like a glove. Defensive coaches like QBs who don't turn the ballover so Geno would be fine as long as he keeps this up. They have one the best offenses in the NFL, a defensive coach would be licking their chops to take this job. Because one side of the ball is figured out.

He sees some of the talent in place being misused, and a bunch of picks to help rebuild it.

A Seattle scout leaked to the media anonymously a couple years ago that Pete Al Davis'd a lot of recent drafts, and the last draft felt like a JS draft. The bad drafting on defense is tied to Pete Carroll.

Seattle didn't quitely shift to being an offensive team. Their defense is just that bad. Productive QB play over these years has saved Pete from getting fired a lot sooner. But this wasn't the plan. Completely unintentional, Pete wants to be a defensive team he just doesn't know how anymore. No matter how many assets he throws at it.

Quinn wouldn't be coming in to be the next PC, who is God King of the Seahawks with total power over football operations, sitting over JS.

Quinn would be under JS. With a more traditional power dynamic.

I'm on board with any change right now. As long as a top level defensive coach is involved in the equation be it HC, or DC.

However, knocking HCs who got fired at their first stop is asinine. Pete was considered a failure in the NFL before Seattle, and Belichick as well before NE.

If anything it should be looked at as a positive. They've failed and now know not what to do next time.

I was down on Quinn myself at the end of his time in ATL. But Dallas had one of the worst defenses in the NFL and I'm thoroughly impressed with how he reinvigorated that side of the ball and produced immediately.

The other part of coaching is the people side of things and communication. DQ is excellent in these areas.

Team Dan Quinn.
 

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Quinn will likely get a second shot at HC before Pete's gone. This is the same conversation as talking about drafting a QB that's still in High School.
 

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Quinn was a failure as hc with a decent team at that time. Also responsible for the 28-3 debacle. Great dc but not an hc.
Atlanta should've run, just like Saints should've run, just like we should've run, just like Denver should've run...
 

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I can't get behind the Quinn slander. He took 'em to the next level on D.

I agree with Fade. If Pete goes, Quinn'd be perhaps my first interview. Just makes sense. He might be an example of the Peter Principle in terms of being a world class DC and potential underachiever as HC, but no one is a sure bet.
I'm liking it. Hated losing him in the first place.
 

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He turned Dallas around immediately on defense in year 1. And they look even better in year 2.
Anyone is a great improvement over Pete Carroll, right? Since Pete is the worst of them all, right?
 

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Quinn has Micah Parsons and Diggs. Top 10 DB and DE.

Seahawks Defense is new to everyone on the team, and they're still learning it. If Dan Quinn came here, he's likely drop the players they signed to play the 3-4
 
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Anyone is a great improvement over Pete Carroll, right? Since Pete is the worst of them all, right?
He can't coach defense anymore that's for sure. There is years of data at this point. Not just a reaction to this season.

Pete and his defense are a packaged deal. Like Holmgren and his offense.
 

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He can't coach defense anymore that's for sure. There is years of data at this point. Not just a reaction to this season.

Pete and his defense are a packaged deal. Like Holmgren and his offense.
Then go take his job and save us from reading pages of your whining.
 

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