Is everyone already giving PC a pass for next season?

[haroldseattle]

I think Carroll will be gone unless the Seahawks win 10 or more games in 2022

No way loses his job because the Seahawks fail to win 10 games in 2022.

 

[toffee]

Russell Wilson left because there are fewer and fewer people swallowing his excuses in Seattle. There are more and more people who question his decision making and the fact that he blames the system when he has shown year after year that the schemed open receivers are the system and he is unwilling to throw to them.

I have my problems with Carroll. I wanted him gone two seasons ago, but all of you Wilson apologists are getting tiresome. "We could have kept an aging slowing fifty million dollar (rumors are saying he actually wants to be the highest paid QB, so actually more) a year QB" is honestly getting sad. He was unwilling to expand his game. He has regressed as a passer and has been figured out. Every single person who watched the last Rams playoff game saw him crap the bed. So many swallowed his excuses because they want Wilson to succeed, even if it means failure for the franchise.

I noticed Wilson's priorities was in this order : his stats, his highlights, his public images, his contract, his media coverage, his team's record.

His teammates probably saw through that too.

 

[Welshers]

Unless they are absolutely abysmal and do something like go winless (which would be fine because the first pick!) I think he deserves a pass. This isn't a super talented team and they are rebuilding. He's shown his ability to rebuild effectively and he deserves the chance to do this

 

[toffee]

Call me a PC hater I dont care. I think the team went the absolute wring direction with PCs contract and picking PC over RW (despite RWs glaring flaws.)

We have wont 3 playoff games in 7 years. It is expected we will suck next year and thus be 3 win in 8 years.

PC is completely and totally responsible for the players and coaches and record of this team.

I understand how we have to "accept" him still coaching because there isn't jack crap we can do about it. I also understand the low level excitement of going into a season with a new QB that might succeed in many areas that RW has utterly failed. I also understand for the first time in years and years that PC's head wasn't totally up his ass for a draft and am reasonably happy with the draftthis year.

That said, when (if) we suck next year everyone is going to give him the "we don't have RW" excuse - one that I do NOT accept because PC was the REASON RW left. Then We get ANOTHER season of the washed up coach with a middling season and the apologist pool shrinking but becoming louder - protesting too much.

I don't see any playoff success in this teams future until PC leaves. It is the curse I wish on teams I hate. "May your team win just enough games that your mediocre coach doesn't get fired" That is where we are.

I have been asking for Pete's job for couple of years, and one reason:. He mishandled the Russ Wilson situation, first by placing him above team unity, which led to disband of our defense. Then he failed to trade Wilson went John went scouting Machines and Allen.

So in short, Pete deserves to be fired for not getting rid of Wilson sooner.

 

[chrispy]

What's a pass? ... for what?
I want to see young players becoming stars. I want to see him teach no-name DBs and see them compete well against top WRs. I want to see a DLine that confuses and pressures opposition. I want to see a run that I'll remember forever. I want to see 2 or 3 long bombs, not 25. I want to see a team of competitors, not a discontent group blaming each other.
If the record is crap, but I see that, I'm a happy fan. If the record is 9 wins but the QB is blaming the OLine and WRs are whining on the sidelines, I'm ready to move on.

 

[flv2]

No way loses his job because the Seahawks fail to win 10 games in 2022.

He won't lose his job because the Seahawks fail to win 10 games. He'll lose his job because the decisions he's made during the last 5+ years are coming to a head. A new QB and OL, (basically new offense), will be needed and the franchise won't go into a rebuild with a guy who will be 72 next season unless he does something pretty spectacular this season.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

The team doesn't have an owner. Their jobs are safe until May 2024.

This, unfortunately.

I do love Pete - but even i'm like; 'eeeeeh. time for a change coming'. I guess let's see what excuses we're all throwing out at 3-6

 

[TwistedHusky]

As long as people care, and revenue keeps flowing accordingly - their jobs are safe.
I expect people will stop caring by about 2024. A year afterward is when the change will likely come as a result of that.

 

[sutz]

Sounds like a few have already decided to condemn him.

 

[Grahamhawker]

He won't lose his job because the Seahawks fail to win 10 games. He'll lose his job because the decisions he's made during the last 5+ years are coming to a head. A new QB and OL, (basically new offense), will be needed and the franchise won't go into a rebuild with a guy who will be 72 next season unless he does something pretty spectacular this season.

You don't think this is already a rebuild? He'll have at least 2/3 more years to lose before anything happens, imo.

 

[JayhawkMike]

CincinnatI’s 3 playoff wins last season was the same amount of post season wins we have since losing the Super Bowl.

 

[haroldseattle]

He won't lose his job because the Seahawks fail to win 10 games. He'll lose his job because the decisions he's made during the last 5+ years are coming to a head. A new QB and OL, (basically new offense), will be needed and the franchise won't go into a rebuild with a guy who will be 72 next season unless he does something pretty spectacular this season.

Your mistaken. If his past decisions were the reason for firing him, Pete would be gone and RW would still be here. Instead RW got traded and quick rebuild is on the menu thanks to moving on from RW and it's going really smoothly thus far. Obvious to everyone that 2022 season is about developing the new young players in this draft and finishing the rebuild with next years draft and cap space. Expectations for wins in 2022 are naturally low, as the QB position still needs to be filled and still need an influx of talent and development of the young talent on hand. However the foundation has been fortified with bookends tackles and additional pass rushers a solid RB and promising secondary help. Exciting times for Seahawks fans and similar to the feel pre super bowl years.

 

[scutterhawk]

Sounds like a few have already decided to condemn him.

This post was meant to be nothing more than a Gripe & Venting session on Pete Carroll.
What his Critics FAIL to come up with, is a VIABLE & AVAILABLE HC that would be a SURE-FIRE replacement.
FACT: We've obviously seen the best that Wilson had to offer, OH WAIT, "Pete held Wilson back" blah, blah, blah.
Wilson gets all the accolades for ANY of the Seahawks' successes, while Pete Carroll gets nailed for WILSONS FAILURES.
Wilson got what Wilson has been wanting for several years now= G-O-N-E !
For me? I get to see some NEW guys who want to prove themselves, and hopefully, with more of a TEAM FIRST MENTALITY.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

Pete likely has near 100% job security for the next two years. I could see a sacking late season year two if it’s all gone to rubbish.

How he should be measured this coming year is player development and team buy-in, not by wins. It’s a rebuild, you should be willing to suffer short term for long term gains.

Year two becomes a mix of development and wins trending upward.

If you’re not a contender by year three the rebuild has failed.

 

[Natethegreat]

That's complicated, but I'll say that drafting late in rounds is simply a bad position to improve the roster. That's why teams like the Rams trade their firsts, that's why teams move back in the draft and try for quantity. It leads to reaching because all the premium positions have the cream taken all ready (QB, OL, pass rusher, shut down corner), that is why the Pats and Chief said screw it and went ahead and drafted a RB in the first round in the past. The NFL has purposely made it hard to maintain success through the draft. Once a team has success all the players want to be shown the MONEY. Paying a QB top money at the position makes it hard to keep good-great players at other positions. It's a catch 22, because you need a quality QB, but they command so much in salary that it's difficult to not end up with holes in your roster. I find it refreshing to break that catch 22 by trading your over priced, cap killing QB for a haul and getting back to building a solid all around roster once again.

We traded many picks. A lot of first rounders too. Few of those trades worked out. Some were disastrous (and looked so from the moment of the trade imo). Rams went to the super bowl and won (after getting a good QB). Our roster has gotten progressively worse (after they built a winner). Is that not on Pete?
How could it not be? He directs this team and he has directed it downward for many years now.

 

[Natethegreat]

Pete likely has near 100% job security for the next two years. I could see a sacking late season year two if it’s all gone to rubbish.

How he should be measured this coming year is player development and team buy-in, not by wins. It’s a rebuild, you should be willing to suffer short term for long term gains.

Year two becomes a mix of development and wins trending upward.

If you’re not a contender by year three the rebuild has failed.

Pete has already done a "RESET" and it failed. Not sure why we are giving him a pass on that.

 

[sdog1981]

As long as people care, and revenue keeps flowing accordingly - their jobs are safe.
I expect people will stop caring by about 2024. A year afterward is when the change will likely come as a result of that.

That is not how NFL revenue works at all. You can suck for decades and still make bank just ask the Bidwells and Browns.

 

[jammerhawk]

I can’t say if I’m giving Pete a a pass for next season until I see what happens with this season.

If the team shows genuine progress this season I’d give him a pass for next year if the team continues to improve and actually plays it’s young talent. Support for the front office will also be conditional on them continuing to acquire talent.

To me the team was stagnating with Wilson who wanted to do things differently than the coaches did. Accordingly it was time for change to happen. I loved Wilson but was noticing he had greater limitations than he used to have. We can argue about Pete being old fashioned, yet Baltimore and SF have enjoyed success as run first teams, if that is how you characterize Pete’s style. Few complaints are made about the coaches of those two teams.

If the beef is simply that he hasn’t advanced in the playoffs since the last SB appearance at least his teams made the playoffs. Seems to me there is a lot of sucking a blowing coming from the AP’ers (Anti-Peters) who repeatitively argue non stop for Carrol to be canned.

In the end this seems to be just another of the many Anti-Pete threads with little offered here other than grumbles and no alternatives being suggested.

Nothing any of us say will ever cure the AP group’s desire to hang a can on Pete.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

Pete has already done a "RESET" and it failed. Not sure why we are giving him a pass on that.

Personally, I’m not. I wanted him gone several years ago.

What I’m describing is the ownership take on the situation. They renewed his contract and appear willing to ride it out.

 

[Rainger]

Call me a PC hater I dont care. I think the team went the absolute wring direction with PCs contract and picking PC over RW (despite RWs glaring flaws.)

We have wont 3 playoff games in 7 years. It is expected we will suck next year and thus be 3 win in 8 years.

PC is completely and totally responsible for the players and coaches and record of this team.

I understand how we have to "accept" him still coaching because there isn't jack crap we can do about it. I also understand the low level excitement of going into a season with a new QB that might succeed in many areas that RW has utterly failed. I also understand for the first time in years and years that PC's head wasn't totally up his ass for a draft and am reasonably happy with the draftthis year.

That said, when (if) we suck next year everyone is going to give him the "we don't have RW" excuse - one that I do NOT accept because PC was the REASON RW left. Then We get ANOTHER season of the washed up coach with a middling season and the apologist pool shrinking but becoming louder - protesting too much.

I don't see any playoff success in this teams future until PC leaves. It is the curse I wish on teams I hate. "May your team win just enough games that your mediocre coach doesn't get fired" That is where we are.

My God! Delusional.