I guess it's a good thing. Aside from the Jacksonville game, he was pretty poor. The offense was very inconsistent and seem incapable of any explosive plays. I think he'll be good for competition, but if he wins the starting job I don't expect more than 4-5 wins. T-Jack is a more competent player than Geno imo.
Geno Smith resigned In April 2022, Not Today People.
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Maelstrom787
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This is probably true. The explosives suffered. He also held the ball quite a bit at times - led to too many sacks.
I'm happy to have him in the competition and hope he impresses with a gameplay catered to him and making full use of Metcalf's talents, but he definitely needs to improve in a few areas to be an actual option to start.
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Mayfield has had one good full season as a starter, and Smith hasn't had such a season. That's true. But I'm not convinced Mayfield is worth $18.9M fully guaranteed. In fact, I consider it much more likely he's not worth that much. The fact that it's fully guaranteed is the scariest part. No matter how much Mayfield sucks, the team holding his contract will be responsible for paying out the full $18.9M.
$4M would be expensive for what Smith is. But $18.9M fully guaranteed for Mayfield is outrageous.
Mayfield is a low-level starter or a high-level backup. Neither of those possibilities should be worth $18.9M to the Seahawks right now.
I'd rather have Geno Smith for $4M, especially if it's not fully guaranteed, than Baker Mayfield for $18.9M fully guaranteed. Of course, I'd rather have Geno Smith for the vet minimum than for $4M, but according to the rumors, that ship has already sailed.
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Not me, but Geno at very cheap price, may just be that bridge QB till we are ready for that savior or franchise QBAre there actually people who think that Geno effin Smith is better than Maker Mayfield? Something tells me they do.
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RIP Tarvaris Jackson.
$4 million looks like the market rate to me. That would be 34th overall cap hit in 2022 which is the expected rate of a veteran backup. Remember that many of the QBs below Geno will be young players on rookie contracts still.
Personally I'd rather go with Lock and a day 2 pick. That's obviously a bit too tanky for Carroll, but at least this is a much better option than spending a lot more on a QB who won't have us competitive enough this year anyway.
Personally I'd rather go with Lock and a day 2 pick. That's obviously a bit too tanky for Carroll, but at least this is a much better option than spending a lot more on a QB who won't have us competitive enough this year anyway.
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Yep, it was. Won't be the last time
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I don't think anyone is advocating for Mayfield under his current contract. My assumption is that he will be cut. The browns traded for Watson and signed Jacoby Brisset (presumably to be a back up). They are not keeping Mayfiled around for next year despite their protests to the contrary.
If they do cut him and we sign him for a decently priced contract I'm all for it. If not, meh oh well. We will suck and have a really high draft pick again next year.
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I just read that as the Browns fully guaranteed his salary, if they cut him any team could pick him up for the minimum and the rest would be paid by the Browns. if true, The Browns might well pay some of that 18m back to Seattle to Seattle plus maybe a mid pick to make Sure baker ends up in Seattle and not Pittsburgh.
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Hindsight being 20/20, I recall a nmber of fans questioning if Coach Carroll returned Mr. Wilson to the starting lineup too soon after injury. It's resonable to ask if that Packer game might have been much better contested with a healthy Geno as the starting QB. But of course that was about yesteryear. Most of us have moved on now.
A base contract value in the $3.5-4 million range with incentives ranks the contract at about 34th to 37th among quarterbacks .....pending details about incentives and how probable they are to be realized.
IMO, it's a good signing at a fair price. And he has a leg up on the rest of the quarterback room with field experience in this emerging offense.
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Why some of you guys acting like the offense is all skin and bones?
One of the best WR duos.
Potentially one of the better TE duos.
All around RB in Penny that historically dominated the final third of the season.
Potentially a Harvin-esque, Deebo-esque, Robert Wood-esque receiver/rusher type play-maker in Eskridge.
Get at least 2 quality OL in this draft and a solid back-up RB, which I would hate to pass on the Defensive talent in this draft, but the offense could be really good no matter what QB is under center because hopefully if the scheme is working and attacking all levels, all areas of the field in multiple, creative ways, moving chains and controlling the clock the offensive synergy is not only going to be able to support its QB but pay off for a defense that will be able to actually rest and scheme.
One of the best WR duos.
Potentially one of the better TE duos.
All around RB in Penny that historically dominated the final third of the season.
Potentially a Harvin-esque, Deebo-esque, Robert Wood-esque receiver/rusher type play-maker in Eskridge.
Get at least 2 quality OL in this draft and a solid back-up RB, which I would hate to pass on the Defensive talent in this draft, but the offense could be really good no matter what QB is under center because hopefully if the scheme is working and attacking all levels, all areas of the field in multiple, creative ways, moving chains and controlling the clock the offensive synergy is not only going to be able to support its QB but pay off for a defense that will be able to actually rest and scheme.
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Technically Mayfield is a vested veteran and as such isn't subject to waivers. Thus, if cut, no team could pick Mayfield up without his consent. It's possible there were offsets written into Mayfield's rookie contract that would apply even in the 5th year in regards to his being cut. This could mean any contract he signed as a FA would count against the 5th year option guaranteed by the Browns. Normally high Draft picks don't have such offsets in their rookie contracts which potentially allows them to double-dip.
However this is all likely moot as many have pointed out. The Browns could pay some of Mayfield's 2022 salary and trade Mayfield on a reduced salary to whomever they wished. That would make far more sense than outright releasing him.
If it comes to it the Browns would be better off keeping him until the trade deadline in October before trading him on a very low salary.
However this is all likely moot as many have pointed out. The Browns could pay some of Mayfield's 2022 salary and trade Mayfield on a reduced salary to whomever they wished. That would make far more sense than outright releasing him.
If it comes to it the Browns would be better off keeping him until the trade deadline in October before trading him on a very low salary.
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My thought exactly, we are decent to good on skill players, with an average to slightly below average OL. OK OL part is debatable, but our line did provide 2.4 seconds of pocket time, which is what Mahomes got, yes, Mahomes had 2.4 seconds. More than what Rodgers, Brady, and Big Ben got. We all expect our OL to improve some this season.
Our unknown at this point, (1) OC, Waldron is still a bit of unknown as Russ played RussBall last season; Geno was all rust for couple of games. (2) QB, lol at this point, we don't know who is going to start.
He's familiar and he can play . At least the Hawks got a go to guy that's in the system . Good move IMO
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Okay lets do the tale of the tape
Mayfield avg per year- keep in mind he has already missed 4 games due to injury
61.8 complete %, 23 tds, 14 ints, 87.8 passer rating, 142 yards rushing, 36 sacks their oline ranked 8th.
Now Geno in the 3 games he started against Pit, NO, and Jax. Only win against a 3 win Jack
4 tds, 13 sacks, 103 passer rating. our oline ranked 25th. Oh since everyone worries about TOP we lost TOP in all 3 games.
As an avg per game times 17 games Geno would have had
68% complt, 22 tds, 10 ints, 73 sacks, 103 passer rating.
Now Lock only games he started as an avg per game carried out to normal 17 game schedule
complt% 59, 2225 yards (197 per game times 17 games), 17 tds, 14 ints, 79 passer rating, Online ranked 17th.
So for me, none of them are the answer or are going to get us to better than 5-12
Mayfield avg per year- keep in mind he has already missed 4 games due to injury
61.8 complete %, 23 tds, 14 ints, 87.8 passer rating, 142 yards rushing, 36 sacks their oline ranked 8th.
Now Geno in the 3 games he started against Pit, NO, and Jax. Only win against a 3 win Jack
4 tds, 13 sacks, 103 passer rating. our oline ranked 25th. Oh since everyone worries about TOP we lost TOP in all 3 games.
As an avg per game times 17 games Geno would have had
68% complt, 22 tds, 10 ints, 73 sacks, 103 passer rating.
Now Lock only games he started as an avg per game carried out to normal 17 game schedule
complt% 59, 2225 yards (197 per game times 17 games), 17 tds, 14 ints, 79 passer rating, Online ranked 17th.
So for me, none of them are the answer or are going to get us to better than 5-12
Maelstrom787
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That's not the tale of the tape.
It's the tale of the box score.
This is a very, very, very crucial distinction.
Cyrus12
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His inflated ego was more of an issue than that finger...Come on...It wasn't Wilson's fault he had a bad finger
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The cap argument against signing Mayfield is not strong. So far the team has taken the whole of RW’s dead money and their other dead money against the cap this season when they could spread it further out for 2 yrs.
The team is clearly playing hardball or negotiating in a hard ball way with the Browns for their taking Mayfield off their books., i.e.: how much if his contract are you going to pay, and what they will pay each other for the trade.
Or not, and Geno and Lock are the incumbents so far for this season.
Geno @ $7 M is a pretty strong counter to taking Mayfield off the Browns hands.
The team is clearly playing hardball or negotiating in a hard ball way with the Browns for their taking Mayfield off their books., i.e.: how much if his contract are you going to pay, and what they will pay each other for the trade.
Or not, and Geno and Lock are the incumbents so far for this season.
Geno @ $7 M is a pretty strong counter to taking Mayfield off the Browns hands.
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It's not $7 million guaranteed. That's if he hits all his incentives.
