Which loss is more damaging to a team?

[ctrcat]

The Super Bowl hangover is real.

Time will tell. Meanwhile, every team in the NFC is setting their roster to attack that style of offense.

Who's was worse? Let's see if the Panthers make the playoffs next year.

The hangover may be real but so is less roster turnover and a more flexible cap situation than they've had in years.

As for NFC teams setting their rosters, only one has a top 6 pick (Cowboys at 4) and the Panthers get a guy back in Benjamin that would easily be a top 5 pick in April if hypothetically available. MAYBE one NFC team will sign Von Miller, but it's unlikely he'd face Remmers again-as I said here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=123426 and other article said here, http://catcrave.com/2015/12/30/its-time ... e-remmers/ , and countless others said the same long before the SB, Daryl Williams was hurt in the opener but should be a far better player long term.

The Panthers won the division by 7 games and the Falcons lost at home to the Saints after beating the Panthers. Not making the playoffs would be a massive hangover. I don't see any hangover that strong. It would take catastrophic injuries IMO (and many forget they played without Kuechly and others for large chunks of this past season).

Like you said time will tell of course.

 

[Uncle Si]

7-8-1 (with the aforementioned Benjamin) to 15-1.

Anything, literally, can happen. More than likely the Panthers are a team in between those two records. While making the playoffs in a very weak division won't be too difficult next year, I don't see them reaching anywhere near the heights they did this year.

They will host a playoff game, maybe two, but be on the road for atleast one.

The issue the Panthers will have is the Broncos gave a fairly detailed plan on stopping them. And while not many teams may have their pass rush, enough have the same set up to challenge Cam to either evolve (as Russ is doing) or join Kaepernick on the "what ifs" pile

 

[themunn]

The Panthers won the division by 7 games and the Falcons lost at home to the Saints after beating the Panthers. Not making the playoffs would be a massive hangover. I don't see any hangover that strong. It would take catastrophic injuries IMO (and many forget they played without Kuechly and others for large chunks of this past season).

Falcons went from 13-3 in 2012 and a 10 point halftime lead in the NFFCG to 4-12 in 2013, so nothing is impossible

 

[Largent80]

Wrong question to ask a seahawk fan.

 

[ctrcat]

The Panthers won the division by 7 games and the Falcons lost at home to the Saints after beating the Panthers. Not making the playoffs would be a massive hangover. I don't see any hangover that strong. It would take catastrophic injuries IMO (and many forget they played without Kuechly and others for large chunks of this past season).

Falcons went from 13-3 in 2012 and a 10 point halftime lead in the NFFCG to 4-12 in 2013, so nothing is impossible

No, nothing is impossible but dive under the hood and you'll see there are few similarities in play here. For starters, they traded 5 quality draft picks for one player. That would be the equivalent of the Panthers never having Star, Short, Turner, Ealy, or Kelvin, and instead having Julio, who is then lost for the year.

 

[SixSeahawk]

This is not even a comparison.

The Superbowl 49 thing has completely overshadowed anything that has happened in Seattle sports....including the SB48 win. It's understandable to say that a hometown bias, denial, and dislike of Cam Newton would have people from Seattle saying Cam but it's not even close. Not by miles.

Cam's play will be forgotten in a year especially since they were going to lose anyway.....but not handing off at the 1 yard could potentially haunt Russell and Pete for their entire lives if they don't make it back to the Super Bowl. It was a Bill Buckner-ish move.

A team wins the Superbowl every year. But a team doesn't lose a Superbowl at the 1 yard line line with one of the most bone-headed calls in sports history all that often.

The biggest sports moment in Seattle history, unfortunately, is the final moments of Superbowl 49.

 

[253hawk]

Completely subjective. The Sonics losing to the Nuggets in the 1994 playoffs after winning a then-team-best 63 games and the Mariners losing to the Yankees in the ALCS after winning a team-best 116 games both eat at me far more than SB 49. If not for winning 48, yeah, it would probably be worse. But I don't think anyone in sports has been haunted by failing to repeat, having just won it all the season before.

The call was fine, the ball placement sucked. If anyone can put that behind them, it's Wilson. No one would dare call it Buckner-ish if Butler had reacted a tenth of a second later. That's just sports.

 

[SixSeahawk]

Completely subjective. The Sonics losing to the Nuggets in the 1994 playoffs after winning a then-team-best 63 games and the Mariners losing to the Yankees in the ALCS after winning a team-best 116 games both eat at me far more than SB 49. If not for winning 48, yeah, it would probably be worse. But I don't think anyone in sports has been haunted by failing to repeat, having just won it all the season before.

The call was fine, the ball placement sucked. If anyone can put that behind them, it's Wilson. No one would dare call it Buckner-ish if Butler had reacted a tenth of a second later. That's just sports.

Actually it's not really that subjective. For hometown fans, maybe.

But in the national consciousness, not handing off at the 1 yard line in the closing moments of a Superbowl is memorable forever.

it's not Buckner level yet because its only been a year. I'm sure Sox fans figured they'd be back in the World Series in no time right after that happened too. But if the Hawks dont make it to the Superbowl for another 30 years, don't be surprised if they turn that play into a Buckner-esque myth.

"The Curse of the Beast Mode" perhaps. "Bevell's Curse" maybe.

Hoping this isn't the case but acting like Cam not diving for a fumble in a game they were going to lose anyway was anywhere close to SB49 is homering at its finest.

 

[Vancanhawksfan]

Completely subjective. The Sonics losing to the Nuggets in the 1994 playoffs after winning a then-team-best 63 games and the Mariners losing to the Yankees in the ALCS after winning a team-best 116 games both eat at me far more than SB 49. If not for winning 48, yeah, it would probably be worse. But I don't think anyone in sports has been haunted by failing to repeat, having just won it all the season before.

The call was fine, the ball placement sucked. If anyone can put that behind them, it's Wilson. No one would dare call it Buckner-ish if Butler had reacted a tenth of a second later. That's just sports.

Actually it's not really that subjective. For hometown fans, maybe.

But in the national consciousness, not handing off at the 1 yard line in the closing moments of a Superbowl is memorable forever.

it's not Buckner level yet because its only been a year. I'm sure Sox fans figured they'd be back in the World Series in no time right after that happened too. But if the Hawks dont make it to the Superbowl for another 30 years, don't be surprised if they turn that play into a Buckner-esque myth.

"The Curse of the Beast Mode" perhaps. "Bevell's Curse" maybe.

Hoping this isn't the case but acting like Cam not diving for a fumble in a game they were going to lose anyway was anywhere close to SB49 is homering at its finest.

Just because a loss is dramatic or memorable does not make it damaging. If the play(s) that lead to that loss failed because a player or coach made a monumental, boneheaded mistake - or worse, weren't executed because a player(s) lacked courage or leadership qualities during that most important game of their lives - that will hang with the player/organization forever causing doubt and dissention within the organization, players and organization.

After one year of mulling over that final play of SB49, if you still can't see the logic behind the play call that was made on 2nd and goal at the one with 26 seconds and only one timeout remaining then you're a fool. And if you think that the interception that occurred was some sort of unforgivable act that the players ought to be crucified over then you're a newb sports fan that doesn't know what he's talking about - every quarterback who has ever lived has made far worse plays than that one, never mind that Butler made an incredible play on that ball. And as empirical evidence is showing...after one year NO ONE IS QUESTIONING THE ABILITIES OR LEADERSHIP OF THE SEAHAWK QB RUSSELL WILSON after that interception. We would all follow him off the cliff if he lead us there.

And if you can't see how Cam's failure to act in that one play won't cause doubt in that Panther's locker room now or in the future - especially when you see things like Thomas Davis playing with that horrific broken arm - then you've never played any serious sports in your life. It doesn't matter that we don't know if they would have won if they did recover that ball - that isn't the point. Every time a player fails to make a play whether it be at the one minute mark of the game or the 59th minute it affects the outcome of the game. But if a player fails because he was a coward - or couldn't give two craps - the guys he's supposed to be leading will consider their motivations when playing - or choosing whether or not to play - with that guy.

 

[hgwellz12]

The Seahawks loss is more damaging to the Seahawks psyche, the Panthers loss is more damaging to the Panthers psyche.

Teams have gone decades and not made it to the big game. No one knows if their team is going back the next year or the next decade. Other than the Patriots.

A team can quickly go from a vaunted foe to a shell of itself. No one is expecting this will happen to the Panthers or Seahawks but nothing is given.

Agreed.
Dat boy Cam sure did "Rhonda Rousy" himself tho. Good gawd baby hayzoo