Anthony!":2ca9j4o5 said:IrishNW":2ca9j4o5 said:Anthony!":2ca9j4o5 said:Seafan":2ca9j4o5 said:I've been saying this all season. Russ hasn't been Russ. It's time for him to step up his game.
Hmm I have been saying it all season Lynch has not been lynch, our oline has been worthless, our play calling and design has been worthless, yet our QB is on pace for career numbers in several categories. Now imagine his oline was oh say 24th instead of last. I n my list of problems with the offense Wilson is near last of the issues
Wilson can't stand in the pocket and make quick throws to help out the offensive line. He limits what we can do offensively
yet he has done that exact thing, but hey lets not let the facts get in the way of a good lie.
RiverDog":32pqssfm said:Anthony!":32pqssfm said:RiverDog":32pqssfm said:Anthony!":32pqssfm said:Hmm I have been saying it all season Lynch has not been lynch, our oline has been worthless, our play calling and design has been worthless, yet our QB is on pace for career numbers in several categories. Now imagine his oline was oh say 24th instead of last. I n my list of problems with the offense Wilson is near last of the issues
There are liars, damn liars, and then there are statisticians.
Russell's numbers are way over inflated. We move the ball up and down the field between the 20's reasonably well but we are by far the worst in the league in red zone efficiency. I could care less what his career numbers are. His job is to win games, and to do that, he needs to be scoring points, not racking up worthless yards and completion percentages.
Especially in today's NFL, the quarterback position is the most influential on the field. No other position comes close. It is an inescapable truth that when the quarterback fails, the offense fails, and vise versa.
Now don't interpret that as me throwing Russell under the bus or not acknowledging other issues with our offense, specifically the offensive line, which sucks big time, and I still think that Russell is the best quarterback for our team that currently exists in the league.
But you're in huge denial if you think that Russell's issues are "near the last" in order of importance to our problems or what needs to change if we are to succeed.
And your in huge hate state if you think he is any place close to the top.
Hate state? For someone that has consistently said that Russell is the best quarterback in the league for our team even after he's struggled in the first half of this season? You have a broad definition of the term "hate."
Russell's play is one of the primary reasons our offense is ineffective. I'm not going to rank them, but I would include his play, our offensive line play, and our lack of creativity (Bevell) in our play design/game plan as the top three reasons for our offensive woes and with it, the team's overall performance to this point in the season.
IrishNW":2fgweoiq said:Anthony!":2fgweoiq said:IrishNW":2fgweoiq said:Anthony!":2fgweoiq said:Hmm I have been saying it all season Lynch has not been lynch, our oline has been worthless, our play calling and design has been worthless, yet our QB is on pace for career numbers in several categories. Now imagine his oline was oh say 24th instead of last. I n my list of problems with the offense Wilson is near last of the issues
Wilson can't stand in the pocket and make quick throws to help out the offensive line. He limits what we can do offensively
yet he has done that exact thing, but hey lets not let the facts get in the way of a good lie.
Let's not let your unhealthy obsession with Wilson blind you of facts.
theincrediblesok":16qa1zfz said:Out of all the NFC West opponents, Wilson is best at beating the Cardinals, he is 4-2, 9 TD and 3 iNT for his career against them. I will say that Russ hasn't been Russ and I think the red zone works when Wilson rushes in for a TD. I really think that if he starts running more in the redzone it will also open up redzone passing/rushing opportunities. Also something we've been missing is a fullback that can punch it in or used in the passing game. When we had Mike Rob, we were able to utilize him pretty well to score. Teams now expect only Lynch to get the ball. Also doesn't help that our alignment shows pass, and teams are already ready for that as well.
Wilson is struggling because he isn't playing like the Wilson I use to know. Everyone here says he has to stay in the pocket and pass, I say no, let him be Wilson. Let him play the way he was dangerous at when he was a rookie.
Anthony!":2b0e37vx said:theincrediblesok":2b0e37vx said:Out of all the NFC West opponents, Wilson is best at beating the Cardinals, he is 4-2, 9 TD and 3 iNT for his career against them. I will say that Russ hasn't been Russ and I think the red zone works when Wilson rushes in for a TD. I really think that if he starts running more in the redzone it will also open up redzone passing/rushing opportunities. Also something we've been missing is a fullback that can punch it in or used in the passing game. When we had Mike Rob, we were able to utilize him pretty well to score. Teams now expect only Lynch to get the ball. Also doesn't help that our alignment shows pass, and teams are already ready for that as well.
Wilson is struggling because he isn't playing like the Wilson I use to know. Everyone here says he has to stay in the pocket and pass, I say no, let him be Wilson. Let him play the way he was dangerous at when he was a rookie.
The only real issue I have is that Wilson is only struggling in some areas, in others he is doing the best he ever has, It just so happens the areas he is struggling in are areas were the oline can imoact and play calling/design can impact the most, Ie redzone. I do not think it is Russ not playing like Russ or struggling, I think it is Russ doing what he can while having to deal with bad play calling and design, an oline that might get him killed and a run game that is not striking fear in anyone. There is only so much any one person can overcome. This offense is not built around Russ and that is also an issue because now we need it to be.
djb28":1pv0cxd7 said:Sit em? He is 4-2 against the cards and has like 100 yards rushing against them in every game. I say START EM!
austinslater25":mc8m4f08 said:I just deleted a long post because it won't change any opinions but the anti Wilson angle on this board is out of hand. I can't even begin to understand how someone can watch the games and think all of the line problems are on Wilson. It's a near impossibility.
Speaking of quick throws to help the line.....did you watch the Dallas game?
Anthony!":3fozai5e said:Hmm I have been saying it all season Lynch has not been lynch, our oline has been worthless, our play calling and design has been worthless, yet our QB is on pace for career numbers in several categories.] Now imagine his oline was oh say 24th instead of last. I n my list of problems with the offense Wilson is near last of the issues
Aros":19j4vjp0 said:Look, it's pretty simple actually. I am as Pro Wilson as you will find on .NET and I am the first person to say something is just off with him this year. No candy-coating, it's clear as day if you have functional vision.
He has had that "IT" factor since he came into the league. This year? Nope.
Are there flashes? Absolutely. He can still bring it, but it's not in a reliable pattern as it has been in year's past.
Is it all the endorsements? Ciara? The magazine ads, the contract distraction, the cameo's, etc?
My guess is it is all the above.
I miss "NO TIME TO SLEEP" Wilson. He was the one that would ball EVERY game, not every few games.
austinslater25":5b1hdbdw said:Aros":5b1hdbdw said:Look, it's pretty simple actually. I am as Pro Wilson as you will find on .NET and I am the first person to say something is just off with him this year. No candy-coating, it's clear as day if you have functional vision.
He has had that "IT" factor since he came into the league. This year? Nope.
Are there flashes? Absolutely. He can still bring it, but it's not in a reliable pattern as it has been in year's past.
Is it all the endorsements? Ciara? The magazine ads, the contract distraction, the cameo's, etc?
My guess is it is all the above.
I miss "NO TIME TO SLEEP" Wilson. He was the one that would ball EVERY game, not every few games.
There was some great stuff on twitter last night from a couple of Seahawk guys breaking down tape. It was fairly objective and Wilson definitely has been a little off. The majority of the problem has been the lines pass protection issues though. Aros I think that has much more to do with it than the the stuff you listed. I'll see if I can post some of their stuff when I get a chance. But even saying that Wilson does seem just a tad off this year so I agree with you there. I think Wilson comes together tonight though.
irocdave":uz90xvtm said:austinslater25":uz90xvtm said:I just deleted a long post because it won't change any opinions but the anti Wilson angle on this board is out of hand. I can't even begin to understand how someone can watch the games and think all of the line problems are on Wilson. It's a near impossibility.
Speaking of quick throws to help the line.....did you watch the Dallas game?
I don't know how anyone can watch Hawk games and think all of the O problems are caused by the O line. RW has had time on occasion and has been off the mark on throws, hasn't let it fly when he should and just hasn't played very well this year. All the blame for the Hawks ineptness on offense doesn't fall on the O line, RW is at fault also. He has not played up to his pay grade this year, have no idea how any person that has watched the Hawks this year can say he has, O line issues factored in. In accurate throws when there is plenty of time to make the read, plant, throw are not what one of the highest compensated QB's in the league should be doing game in and out.
Its not ANTI Wilson sentimate as you propose, it's well placed criticism of RW's play this year. The expectation bar was raised when he became a 21 million dollar a year QB and he hasn't played like it this year.
RiverDog":15vd6kzw said:Anthony!":15vd6kzw said:Hmm I have been saying it all season Lynch has not been lynch, our oline has been worthless, our play calling and design has been worthless, yet our QB is on pace for career numbers in several categories.] Now imagine his oline was oh say 24th instead of last. I n my list of problems with the offense Wilson is near last of the issues
Which categories? I see that his completion percentage, total completions, and passing yardage is up a little, but not anywhere near the level of a Brees, Brady, Rodgers, et al, and is in fact only 25nd best in yards per game in the league. Everything else looks about average or worse. He's ranked 13th in passer rating, behind names like Brian Hoyer, Josh McCown, and Tyrod Taylor. I honestly can't see what it is about his stats that your popping your buttons over.
What's more concerning is some of his career lows he's on pace for, such as touchdown passes, TD/int ratio, rushing touchdowns, and most important of all, his winning percentage, are all on pace to be the worst of his career.
austinslater25":3kgvqlng said:Aros":3kgvqlng said:Look, it's pretty simple actually. I am as Pro Wilson as you will find on .NET and I am the first person to say something is just off with him this year. No candy-coating, it's clear as day if you have functional vision.
He has had that "IT" factor since he came into the league. This year? Nope.
Are there flashes? Absolutely. He can still bring it, but it's not in a reliable pattern as it has been in year's past.
Is it all the endorsements? Ciara? The magazine ads, the contract distraction, the cameo's, etc?
My guess is it is all the above.
I miss "NO TIME TO SLEEP" Wilson. He was the one that would ball EVERY game, not every few games.
There was some great stuff on twitter last night from a couple of Seahawk guys breaking down tape. It was fairly objective and Wilson definitely has been a little off. The majority of the problem has been the lines pass protection issues though. Aros I think that has much more to do with it than the the stuff you listed. I'll see if I can post some of their stuff when I get a chance. But even saying that Wilson does seem just a tad off this year so I agree with you there. I think Wilson comes together tonight though.