purpleneer":24057h5c said:
KiwiHawk":24057h5c said:
purpleneer":24057h5c said:
KiwiHawk":24057h5c said:
Jerramy Stevens. I blame this one less on Holmgren than I do on Itula Mili. Mili was supposed to be the superstar tight end, but was injured most of the time. Then he had one decent season, so he held out the next year for more money. With Mili unreliable and a gaping hole at tight end, Holmgren pulled the trigger on Stevens, who was either going to be a super star or a head case, and turned out to be the latter. Had Mili not been such a flake or had Shurmur been there to advise, we would have drafted Ed Reed, and possibly launched a dynasty.
Whatever created the TE need, it existed. He went into the draft needing a starter there, had a preference (Graham), and missed him by trading down. And I won't say it's certain we don't draft Reed, but it's certainly wishful to assume we do and his career is as good on a team built extremely differently than those Ravens.
The Galloway part is true; he got lucky *allas gave that gift for the name, but he also didn't exactly take full advantage of the abundance of good first round picks.
I also doubt he ever would have truly allowed any sort of "defense-first" team building. Losing Shurmur hurt, but thinking he puts a bunch of resources to the D and makes a successful or even decent O on the cheap seems fantastical.
Actually the TE in that draft was Shockey, and with him gone, Daniel Graham and Jerramy Stevens were a coin flip so it wasn't worth standing pat since one would be available if we traded down. For what it's worth they had similar careers as well, which proves the coin flip but also shows neither were worthy of a first-round selection.
It's wishful thinking about Ed Reed, although I called it at the time because Reed was the reason for the success of Buchanan and Rumph (Miami's corners) who were also taken in the first. As we know, having an Earl Thomas can make your cornerbacks look amazing. Take them out of Seattle (Browner, Maxwell, etc.) and they don't look as good.
I disagree about the first round picks from the Galloway trade. While one of them eventually became Koren Robinson, who I grant was a sputter at best, the other one was Shaun Alexander who became Seattle's only league MVP.
The guys we took with our regular picks, though one was a trade via Green Bay, were Chris McIntosh (neck injury kiled his career, so difficult to determine what sort of a pro he could have been), and Steve Hutchinson who is one of the best guards ever to play the game.
So we weren't exactly bad at first-round picks (on the offensive side of the ball anyway).
I'd take Graham over Stevens every time; reliability matters. Overall first-round performance, Holmy was 2 for 6 in 4 years and the latest selection was the trade-down spots of Stevens and the the 2 hits were the easiest decisions that Ruskell probably even makes.
Graham caught more balls , he was targeted more than Stevens (schemes) holm actually had a te that could chip block and actually be more of a Zach miller type
But Stevens was having a great first 3-4 seasons with more games actually played then jimmy graham .. 2 tds from Jimmy graham his first season lol, the lack of respect for holm in this thread is comical, they literally could call the clink the house holmgren built. He will be a HOF eventually.
... which is exactly why holm wins this strictly on x-o’s debate imo. There is a complete lack of how great a offensive mind mike was. We definitely do not lose to pats . Mike called his plays . He runs that in and actually has a line who can score from the one yard line. Alexa play Shawn Alexander highlights of mvp season.
The draft narrative mystique of Pete Carroll is way over rated
2010-2015 we HAVE 7-8 players that are on our roster from that HOME RUN PERIOD WHICH WAS REALLY ONLY 2 good drafts (russ, wags, kj, earl?, Britt, Lockett, Clark, ifedi.)
So we traded out of the first and got all those comp picks year after year. For 7-8 players, one of which a hof safety, who clearly wants out so bad he goes to and opposing coach and screams “come get me”
If you give credit for the build you must look at the fall
take a look at who we drafted or had and who we let go or lost
(Tate, okung, carp, sweezy, sherm, kam, Spencer ware, p rich, unger) ouch don’t we miss the days when all we had to worry about was if unger was gonna get hurt, or giacomini got a flag for being a dirt bag
Marshawn trade great +1
Avril +1
Bennett who we cut? For a kicker I believe coutu? He still in the league ?
Harvin trade -3 (Tate- 40$ mil guaranteed or something like that right ? Wrecked the team in my opinion
Graham trade -2 and very damning of someone, who? Drew brees as qb jimmy graham caught 99 balls one year ..99
The trade itself lost us unger ( who the kool aid crowd) claimed was banged up and damaged goods has missed I believe one game for the saints since the trade! (Or maybe2-3) excuse me I’m only posting from the hip here.
The lack of being able to use a weapon like jimmy graham is another -1, just pop the tape of New Orleans offense and repeat
Would holm have tried to make a glorified basketball player into Zach miller?
This is a long a I’m sure scrambled post, but this is nails look at our misses of pets tenure, we missed on guys who didn’t even sniff the league after we cut them. Like seriously bevell and cable get all the blame for the epic collapse of one of the best assembled teams of all time?? Your joking right?
Epic level roster moves and trades made and broke Pete’s career so far here in Seattle. I can atleast be honest and look at the facts... I’ve never liked pete, he can’t even give a straight answer. Reminds me of a politician or a vacuum salesman just me . I was wrong pete got one, epically and utterly lost one that will also tarnish this franchise for all time.
We will maybe never have an exact answer but the writing is on the wall for this run. If pete turns it around and wins I’ll admit I’m wrong but I don’t see it. Pete is too old and set in his ways. Or you believe Brian Schottenheimer, whose offenses in St. Louis regularly were horrible sans one semi good year from a rookie Sam Bradford. Rewatch the 2010 nfc play in game vs the rams where clipboard jesus got us to the playoffs at 7-9 .. I’ll cheat for you they scored 6 points in that game :0190l:
To each his own . This is nails
Pete got one ring, you can easily say we could have won russ’s rookie year , pats sb Lynch game and any subsequent chance at a 3 pete pun intended
This franchise should mirror the pats imho right now, pete should be grooming a successor and we should have some more damn trophies
Should be perennial contenders, we are about to experience mediocrity again. Then we will see who is a real fan
Op I apologize this is strictly not aimed at you
Nite company kick off tomorrow
