Patrick Willis headed to IR...

[Uncle Si]

Popeye, Pehawk wasn't directly comparing the two as players, he was comparing their importance to the defense. Get a grip, man.

I started reading at page 2 and understood...

See Popeye! This dude went to ASU and even HE understands. ASU for christs sake...

got a degree and everything!!

 

[themunn]

Real question: Do you think Mebane's ability + role is more or less important to the Hawks than Michael Bennett? If you had to choose which one would you rather lose for the year? (don't forget that like Justin Smith, Michael Bennett actually stays in on passing downs).

Bennett by absolute miles. There's a reason why every single Seahawks defender says Mebane is the best player on the defense.

It's because Mebane is the best player on the defense, and he has been for several years.

 

[Popeyejones]

Wait, Mebane is now the best player on the entire defense?!?!?

Mebane the very effective yet situational interior run plugger is better than Earl Thomas?

Yeah, okay, this clearly isn't going anywhere. :lol:

 

[Popeyejones]

Popeye, Pehawk wasn't directly comparing the two as players, he was comparing their importance to the defense. Get a grip, man.

I understand that. Clearly. One cannot discuss a player's importance to a defense without being clear about their role in the defense (i.e. what they are asked to do and what they are NOT asked to do) as well as their ability in that role.

NT in the 4-3 under (like the 3-4) is one of the harder positions to discuss with regards to ability, as it is not a stats generating or dependent position, meaning homers can overstate ability and those who don't follow the team or don't understand football scheming often understate the ability. The position is also, for better or for worse, very limited with regards to role, and people tend to differentiate good NTs by if they are multi-dimensional or one-dimensional.

I, just like the Seahawks' coaching staff (as evidenced by their actions), think Mebane is a good player, albeit a one-dimensional one who is good at the one thing he is asked to do well. He's a hedgehog. He just doesn't compare to Justin Smith, who is, IMO (as well as in the opinion of analysts and non-Hawks fans the world over) as talented in several areas as Mebane is in one.

That's it. :lol:

 

[Scottemojo]

Popeye, Pehawk wasn't directly comparing the two as players, he was comparing their importance to the defense. Get a grip, man.

I understand that. Clearly. One cannot discuss a player's importance to a defense without being clear about their role in the defense (i.e. what they are asked to do and what they are NOT asked to do) as well as their ability in that role.

NT in the 4-3 under (like the 3-4) is one of the harder positions to discuss with regards to ability, as it is not a stats generating or dependent position, meaning homers can overstate ability and those who don't follow the team or don't understand football scheming often understate the ability. The position is also, for better or for worse, very limited with regards to role, and people tend to differentiate good NTs by if they are multi-dimensional or one-dimensional.

I like, just the Seahawks coaching staff (as evidenced by their actions), think Mebane is a good player, albeit a one-dimensional one who is good at the one thing he is asked to do well. He's a hedgehog. He just doesn't compare to Justin Smith, who is, IMO (as well as in the opinion of analysts and non-Hawks fans the world over) as talented in several areas as Mebane is in one.

That's it. :lol:

The next few weeks will be educational for all on just how important Bane was, won't it?

 

[pehawk]

Popeye, Pehawk wasn't directly comparing the two as players, he was comparing their importance to the defense. Get a grip, man.

I understand that. Clearly. One cannot discuss a player's importance to a defense without being clear about their role in the defense (i.e. what they are asked to do and what they are NOT asked to do) as well as their ability in that role.

NT in the 4-3 under (like the 3-4) is one of the harder positions to discuss with regards to ability, as it is not a stats generating or dependent position, meaning homers can overstate ability and those who don't follow the team or don't understand football scheming often understate the ability. The position is also, for better or for worse, very limited with regards to role, and people tend to differentiate good NTs by if they are multi-dimensional or one-dimensional.

I like, just the Seahawks coaching staff (as evidenced by their actions), think Mebane is a good player, albeit a one-dimensional one who is good at the one thing he is asked to do well. He's a hedgehog. He just doesn't compare to Justin Smith, who is, IMO (as well as in the opinion of analysts and non-Hawks fans the world over) as talented in several areas as Mebane is in one.

That's it. :lol:

The next few weeks will be educational for all on just how important Bane was, won't it?

Funny, there's a lot of NFL guys tweeting yesterday and today Mebane's the best NT in the game. If only the listened to you, Popeye.

 

[themunn]

Wait, Mebane is now the best player on the entire defense?!?!?

Mebane the very effective yet situational interior run plugger is better than Earl Thomas?

Yeah, okay, this clearly isn't going anywhere. :lol:

Per PFF (following the 2013 season)

Key Stat: One of only four players to score a +10.0 or above at the defensive tackle position for both run defense and pass rushing.

Remember that PFF grades are cumulative too, which means he compiled a +10.0 for pass rushing despite not playing in obvious passing downs.

It's obvious to anyone that watches him on a regular basis that he is a premiere DT in the league, certainly he's the best 1-Tech in the league by some distance.

 

[Uncle Si]

i love how this thread has turned into which team is most screwed by the loss of an important player just by arguing that said player is better than the other one who got hurt.

way to go Popeye...

 

[pehawk]

i love how this thread has turned into which team is most screwed by the loss of an important player just by arguing that said player is better than the other one who got hurt.

way to go Popeye...

The 49er fans are fairly worthless. They offer no substance outside of what you see in this thread. They come over only to defend the honor of their team, like the battered wife of an alcoholic. I LOVE the NFL forum, but it pretty much sucks because of this type of shit.

 

[Largent80]

What cracks me up is they type mountains of text to try and make the point and nobody cares...... :lol:

 

[Largent80]

LOL...edited for the seeing/hearing impaired.

 

[lvnginhwktwn]

i love how this thread has turned into which team is most screwed by the loss of an important player just by arguing that said player is better than the other one who got hurt.

way to go Popeye...

Pretty much the "my dog is better than your dog" type argument. It is what it is, take what you're given, do the best you can and may the best team win.

 

[frosted21]

LOL...edited for the seeing/hearing impaired.

Ok

 

[Largent80]

Hey, anyone hear Willis won't play anymore this year?

Like it matters, has he played this year?

If he did, did it have an impact?

It will not have an impact on the 2 games remaining between SF and Seattle. So, somewhere, someone cares.

 

[Uncle Si]

i love how this thread has turned into which team is most screwed by the loss of an important player just by arguing that said player is better than the other one who got hurt.

way to go Popeye...

Pretty much the "my dog is better than your dog" type argument. It is what it is, take what you're given, do the best you can and may the best team win.

except in this case its "my dog is bigger than your dog and I can prove it in a fight... except both dogs ran away. so you'll have to take my word on it. he's big."

 

[pehawk]

Caught up on a lot of my NFL podcasts yesterday and pretty much each one listed Mebane as the best at what he does in the NFL. I was mad the shows weren't live...I really wanted to explain to everyone that Mebane's not really good, he's equal to Glenn Dorsey. Or, maybe even Ken Dorsey.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

Caught up on a lot of my NFL podcasts yesterday and pretty much each one listed Mebane as the best at what he does in the NFL. I was mad the shows weren't live...I really wanted to explain to everyone that Mebane's not really good, he's equal to Glenn Dorsey. Or, maybe even Ken Dorsey.

Or Tommy Dorsey??