Hawks offense will be fine

[Reaneypark]

I'll take the last three years over the last three preseason games as the evidence that we'll be OK once the games count. The Hawks offense is based on wearing teams down and pulling away in the second half. That's pretty tough to do in the preseason.

 

[Overseasfan]

To be honest, our offense has always done just fine with Russ. We have been a top 10 offense for the last three years (9th, 8th and 10th), while our D was 1st in each year. I don't see that changing this year either.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'll worry if I see the O struggle a month in to the season. No Beast or Okung, it's very hard to put much stock into it.

 

[Team Patera]

Not gonna lie....our offense is offensive. Am I a little nervous going into the season? Sure.
Doesn't mean I love this team any less. I also understand that preseason is "practice ".

 

[Largent80]

Every year on this board people always say the o line is serviceable and will be fine.

And every year they are wrong.

Despite 2 super bowls in a row, at this moment this o line is dreadful on it's best day.

It is simply a fact.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, they were like #9 in the league last year right? And they clearly were good enough to make it to back to back Super Bowl's. They'll probably struggle to start the season and get it rollin.

 

[Shadowhawk]

Every year on this board people always say the o line is serviceable and will be fine.

And every year they are wrong.

Despite 2 super bowls in a row, at this moment this o line is dreadful on it's best day.

It is simply a fact.

Just going off of preseason, every O-Line in the NFC West looks dreadful. And frankly there aren't that many good offensive line units in the league these days. The Cowboys have a great line, sure, but they have poured a serious amount of draft capital into their line and hit on all or most of those picks. The Browns and Packers also have pretty good lines, and there are a couple of other teams too, but there just don't seem to be as many good offensive line prospects coming out of college these days. I remember a Brock & Salk interview with Mark Schlereth where he talked about how O-Line prospects weren't getting the coaching they need at the collegiate level and how much of a transition it was for them after being drafted (another casualty of the proliferation of spread offenses in college.)

Seattle's O-Line has some serious deficiencies, but there aren't that many O-Lines out there that DON'T have serious deficiencies anymore....

 

[ZorntoLargent]

90% of the fan bases in the league are crying about their offensive line right now in preseason form. Hawks have some new players and needs time to get sorted and jell. You guys really expect us to have the best at everything?

We have the best scrambling QB in the league. That's why our salary cap isn't heavily invested in the o-line.

We play shut down defense, amazing special teams and the offense does enough to win. You know like the team in 2013 that won it all.

We were missing the special teams dominance last year. I believe the addition of Lockette brings that element back to our team.

SH and JR look incredible so far this year. 60 yard punts and field goals. Yikes

The defensive front seven with Mebane, Hill back and the additions on Clark. The depth we have at LB is unreal with Lewis, Marsh etc. Irvin being in a contract year is sure to ball out. This defense could very well be the best we've seen in the PC era.

Lastly going back to the offense. Wait until we have Chris Matthews, Paul Richardson back. This offense will be electric when they begin to fire on all cylinders.

We have never had an offense with this much speed, power and size. Chill out fellow 12's this is our best team yet. Let's go get this second Lombardi.

We added Lockette?
I recall him being on special team for years.

 

[grizbob]

I'm not worried. But what DOES worry me, I might not be smart enough to be worried :?

 

[gowazzu02]

It's weird, it's like people forget what the seahawks do. Or maybe we've picked up some newby fans from all the success over the past 3 years.

Seattle has never been a "greatest show on turf" type of team. Would I of liked a TD or two from the starters,,, yeah sure, but at times they moved the ball, just settled for field goals in stead.

But back to the point of WHO the seahawks are. They are a pound the rock at you with the beast, who only played like 3 plays, then they gut punch, and grind, and jab you. Then come the second half, after wearing you down, they hit some explosive plays on you and the beast gets bigger chunks....

Also you remember the 08 winless Lions??? Yeah they looked GREAT in preseason going 4-0.... mic dropped

 

[c_hawkbob]

Every year on this board people always say the o line is serviceable and will be fine.

And every year they are wrong.

Despite 2 super bowls in a row, at this moment this o line is dreadful on it's best day.

It is simply a fact.

Those two Super Bowls in a row make your second sentence conclusion by definition incorrect. Obviously, if we got to the Super bowl with those lines they were indeed at the very least "serviceable".

This is simply the result of Carroll's team building model (Defense first, ground game second, a QB and WR's with out of the box skill sets and a lot of churn at the bottom of the roster. Not building from the front back on offense ala Holmgren).

Hopefully the line play will improve, if not, it does not seem to be the terminal flaw many are making it out to be. "Serviceable" has, at least to this point, been sufficient.

 

[Largent80]

2 superbowls in a row is the culmination of an entire team having depth to overcome injuries, this year is different. The starting center for the last few years is gone. The starting LG is gone. The rookie RT from last year that WAS serviceable is no longer serviceable. Experiments going on all over the line just trying to find something that will work.

REGARDLESS of the last 2 years, this is a new year and this line is looking horrid.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I love Russell Wilson. I appreciate him being our QB.

I dont like how he played the other day, and get frustrated at times with him. I dont hate him. I love him but I recognize that he still has plenty of room for improvement.

 

[Anthony!]

Well there a number of Russ haters on this board that seemingly enjoyed piling on.................. :stirthepot:

It's very easy to pigeon-hole people who disagree with you as "haters" and then dismiss anything they have to say as "hate", but you don't have to be a "Russ hater" to be concerned about his poor play this pre-season.

His play is definitely below-par, and I have concerns about his pattern of slow starts that he established at the end of last year that may be reflecting on his pre-season as well.

For a guy who is meticulous in his preparation, he's looking quite bad indeed, over-throwing Graham and under-throwing on long balls.

I'm seeing a trend from him that I really don't like, and it's not because I am a "hater"; it's because I am a fan, and while I believe Wilson is much better than he has shown, I am concerned as to the reasons behind his recent performances and that it will extend into the regular season.

It might be different if we had a pansy division that would basically concede us 6 games, but don't have that luxury. To compete with teams in the NFC who have more favourable competition for home field advantage in the playoffs, we can't afford to drop games because our rather expensive QB isn't living up to his promise.

hmm so you are concerned about the preseason. Hmm the preseason, let me say that again the Preseason. Now as to his patterns of slow starts, ahh last I checked it is not how you start but how you finish, and since we always have to go through the BS 25 scripted plays first, even if they do not work I am not to worried about it. Let me help you in the last 10 games including the playoffs he had a QB rating under 90 3 times. So I would relax, given all the issue son the oline, trying to get comfortable with Graham, Lockett, etc and also given they have not even had their real #1 offense out there but for 3 plays. I am not to worried.

It's how you finish? That's your defense for Wilson's poor play? Do you even remember how we "finished" last season? It was on a Wilson interception. Like the 4 he threw in the previous game that took an absolute meltdown by the opposition and Herculean effort by our defense for us to even get to the Super Bowl.

Our QB who is legendary for his meticulous preparation and attention to detail has been poor in his last 5 consecutive outings. It's not just pre-season.

It's got nothing to do with scripted plays. We're talking about execution. Accuracy. Decision making. None of it is there.

Wilson's life is in turmoil. The divorce, the contract, the celebrity, the endorsements, his snake oil water crap - it coincides with his poor play. While coincidence does not prove causation, it's looking and acting enough like a duck that some of us are concerned. Not writing him off, but concerned.

dude you are acting like a guy who wants Wilson to fail. Lets look at last season what we made it to the SB. Yes 4 ints in the NFCCG 2 of which were on the Wr oh wait Rodgers had TOs too. Oh and let me remind you the 10 point lead with under 9 minutes to go in the SB that we could not hold. I mean you rea really stretching right now. It is preseason. Rodgers just had his 3rd Preseason game and had a QB rating under 60 should we worry about him? OR Brady also under 70 or Manning under 70, luck under 70. I guess they all should be worried about. Like I said you are being way to critical at this point, when the regular season starts if this is happening okay but not preseason, were we are trying new things, giving guys chances, seeing what they can do. Like I said you act like a guy who want shim to fail. You should relax for now.

 

[jack_patera]

totally totally totally agree...pete and co. may have more to work with this year than ever before...cant wait for this year to get started...this gonna be fun!!

 

[HawKnPeppa]

90% of the fan bases in the league are crying about their offensive line right now in preseason form. Hawks have some new players and needs time to get sorted and jell. You guys really expect us to have the best at everything?

We have the best scrambling QB in the league. That's why our salary cap isn't heavily invested in the o-line.

We play shut down defense, amazing special teams and the offense does enough to win. You know like the team in 2013 that won it all.

We were missing the special teams dominance last year. I believe the addition of Lockett brings that element back to our team.

SH and JR look incredible so far this year. 60 yard punts and field goals. Yikes

The defensive front seven with Mebane, Hill back and the additions on Clark. The depth we have at LB is unreal with Lewis, Marsh etc. Irvin being in a contract year is sure to ball out. This defense could very well be the best we've seen in the PC era.

Lastly going back to the offense. Wait until we have Chris Matthews, Paul Richardson back. This offense will be electric when they begin to fire on all cylinders.

We have never had an offense with this much speed, power and size. Chill out fellow 12's this is our best team yet. Let's go get this second Lombardi.

KJ Wright's performance this preseason has been chopped liver, according to this post, so let me give him a shoutout! [emoji16]

 

[c_hawkbob]

2 superbowls in a row is the culmination of an entire team having depth to overcome injuries, this year is different. The starting center for the last few years is gone. The starting LG is gone. The rookie RT from last year that WAS serviceable is no longer serviceable. Experiments going on all over the line just trying to find something that will work.

REGARDLESS of the last 2 years, this is a new year and this line is looking horrid.

You really need a new word. When you say everything is horrid it loses impact.

 

[Largent80]

Horrible, horrific, hors d overies.

Are you happy now?

 

[HawKnPeppa]

It's very easy to pigeon-hole people who disagree with you as "haters" and then dismiss anything they have to say as "hate", {. . .} I'm seeing a trend from him that I really don't like, and it's not because I am a "hater"; it's because I am a fan, and while I believe Wilson is much better than he has shown, I am concerned as to the reasons behind his recent performances and that it will extend into the regular season.

I really admire how you kept it together to express this. I honestly can't talk to people that use the word "hater" as a way to dismiss anyone that wants to have a conversation with real, critical appraisal. They breed like lab mice, but I dont get as attached to them.

I know I'm being self-righteous, but I struggle to enjoy interacting with people that view message boards as a place to do two things: extol their own opinion and the virtues of that opinion, and dismiss any conflicting opinion without actually critically thinking about it. Three things. Doh.

Thank you for posting this - I appreciate the support. Sometimes I post stuff and wonder if anyone else out there gets it. I reckon a lot do but don't get involved because they would just end up being stonewalled by name calling and strawmen.

Sometimes the signal-to-noise ratio around here gets a bit dodgy. I'm not a mod so I can't control the noise. All I can do is try to add more signal.

Yes, thank him for agreeing.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

I love Russell Wilson. I appreciate him being our QB.

I dont like how he played the other day, and get frustrated at times with him. I dont hate him. I love him but I recognize that he still has plenty of room for improvement.

Yup!