Yup, Allen had his way with Williams, and the sad part is that it was the same route every time. Allen also set it up exactly the same way with a shoulder fake to the outside, then an inside slant. Williams doesn't look good at reading a WR and knowing where he's going to go, he looks more like he's just reacting out there.
Has Cary Williams looked anything but average so far?
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He could be our Matt Flynn signing, big money don't even start, Simon can play opposite Sherman.
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Getting the whiff of Kelly Jennings with this guy again.
I think the book is going to get out that even if he is covering someone, he isn't a threat to tackle or pick the ball off.
Not sure we can do anything about it. If Simon can start opposite Sherman I guess we are OK, maybe with Burley or Lane playing slot - CJ gives us some insurance. But he isn't a threat to the other team.
Disappointing but hopefully our guys can fix things in time.
I think the book is going to get out that even if he is covering someone, he isn't a threat to tackle or pick the ball off.
Not sure we can do anything about it. If Simon can start opposite Sherman I guess we are OK, maybe with Burley or Lane playing slot - CJ gives us some insurance. But he isn't a threat to the other team.
Disappointing but hopefully our guys can fix things in time.
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Would have rather kept maxwell, hes is going to be a great CB in this league. Cary williams isnt horrible and not bad either, hes average,. One of the corners like shead or tye smith might have even been better than him and cheaper to pay.
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He hasn't gotten beat over the top, but he's also not trusting his press skills. Other than the one time I did see him get really physical with a WR and got called for a PI, he's not really even getting his hands on WRs at the line either. He's been playing very soft in coverage. Those slants to Allen were really very easy due to that. Maxwell could probably challenge BB for strongest corner in the league so we're spoiled. Cary still has to toughen up and get his hands in there and battle though.
PS, there wasn't a choice to keep Maxwell. No point in saying it.
PS, there wasn't a choice to keep Maxwell. No point in saying it.
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There was a choice to keep him. They could have offered up some more cash because he really is a valuable CB that plays physical with recievers .I know the eagles offered him money he couldnt refuse but the seahawks could have atleast made some bigger offersvin.couve12":v5gyzrnd said:
Williams is stiff and doesn't have the feet, agility, or quickness for a CB, but neither did Brandon Browner. The difference between the two is Browner would disrupt his WR coming off the LOS by pressing him thus disrupting the WR route/timing of the route.
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Interesting screen name when the Hawks generally only go cover 2 in the RZ and in short yard situations. Just interesting is all. Not being a smartarse.
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Any Philly fan would have told us this a few months ago. He was Philly's whipping boy.
I'm still holding out hope that Cary will be fine once the LOB is at full strength, but I have my doubts. I think there is a good chance Simon will have a chance to overtake Cary at some point this season.
On a side note, how did Blackmon do? I saw him get burned in the slot once (I think by Stevie Johnson).
I'm still holding out hope that Cary will be fine once the LOB is at full strength, but I have my doubts. I think there is a good chance Simon will have a chance to overtake Cary at some point this season.
On a side note, how did Blackmon do? I saw him get burned in the slot once (I think by Stevie Johnson).
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I still don't understand why they went after him hard and paid him so well. Seemed like a panic move at the time and it looks terrible now.
So we'd have offered him money we couldn't afford. That's the way it's going to be from now on.2Cool4School":1sg0rq1z said:
Stars & Scrubs basically, pay your all pros & bowlers. The rest can sign relatively cheap or they hit free agency so we get the draft picks which in turn let's is pick more cheap potential all pros.
@LRiddickESPN: Don't see it with Cary Williams. Never have.
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I don't think anybody but JS understands why he got such a big contract.
I think after this season he's going to get released as he scheduled to have a 6.2 mill cap hit in 2016 and 2.3 mill in dead money.
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Simon outplayed him last night, hell, even the Gatorade guy outplayed him.
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I didn't pick the name because I thought the Seahawks played this coverage, and I really don't like the cover-2 scheme. I just thought of something football related that was easy to remember. :th2thumbs:
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Who was Simon defending?
Who beat Cary Williams (all of two times)? Was it the best WR on the team?
I'll wait.
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He's also 34 and coming off two consecutive seasons of having injuries end his year early. Charles Tillman at age 30 would have made bank on the open market.
Again, Keenan Allen had two good plays on him and this board acts like Keenan had 10 for 200 on him. We are so ridiculously spoiled by DB play that a WR getting a simple reception or two on a corner is the end of the world. :lol:
Byron Maxwell played the same way last preseason btw. But that's none of my business
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You're right, but that doesn't forgive Williams, it just discounts Simon. Williams is going to have to cover the best WR's in the league, and so far he's looked terrible.
Everyone said Williams was a budget/stop gap signing until we get guys healthy and ready..........and that appears to be a correct opinion thus far.
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Right here.
As bad as Cary was last year in Philly, he at least isn't Bradley Fletcher because THAT was Philly's whipping boy last year. Good lord is he terrible. Cary isn't much better as he's A) Just really not that good and B) Is prone to penalties for being a bonehead, had a number of those in Philly during his time there.
When I first saw the Hawks sign him, my initial reaction was that Pete would turn him into a monster just like the rest of that secondary but the more I've seen of him just tells me he isn't very good and that's it. He was a bit spoiled in Baltimore with an elite pass rush and that was exposed in Philly.
As some of you have said, when the LoB is back out there with him (Kam?) then maybe they'll mask his poor play up with their great play but man....I dunno. All I know is I am glad he's not on my team anymore while WTIII & Maxwell actually both look very good so far.
