Colin kaepernick gets contract extension

[chris98251]

What makes this contract unique, is it does not free up any extra money in a unique way, or helps to resign players in a friendly way, it is that a top 10 QB is taking a very unfriendly contract. This contract places all the risk on the player. The organization is getting all benefits. The player is even paying the insurance after taxes for the organization if he gets hurt So that guaranteed money if he gets hurt the player is actually paying for. [/i]

you refuse to focus on the fact that Kap agreed to what is essentially a 3 year $43m contract. How that doesn't "free up any extra money in a unique way" escapes me. Because, from what I and NFL analysts across all media outlets can gather, is that the 49ers have a ton of extra money compared to what Kap was projected to make the first few years of his contract...

I'm sorry you fail to see that..

Your interpretation of this deal is Kap has no security and that the 49ers must not trust him..

I think a fairer way to analyze this is by assuming one thing. The 49ers and Kap want to win the SB in the next 3 years. That is their window.

After those three years, the 49ers and Kap have 3 options:
(1) they can stick to this contract and Kap will get paid handsomely

(2) they can renegotiate the contract. If Kap plays really well but fails to make All-Pro or make the SB (let's say he has is voted to the Pro Bowl and has a string of NFCCG appearances), the 49ers will probably gladly give him more security and guaranteed $

(3) the 49ers and Kap can go their separate ways. Kap will only be 29, and will attract many other NFL suitors who will pay him the big bucks...




Why is this interpretation not feasible to you?

The problem is your looking at it as how he does in situations out of his control. Harbaugh leaves and you bring back Singletary for example, you thinsk you still ae contenders, half the line goes down and he has no protection, his receivers leave, the defense becomes sieve. He gets injured. His salary deescalates continually each year. Now add in the level of QB play in the NFC, tough tough competition there also. Pro Bowl is not the same is a All Pro, All Pros are by players and coaches, Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, Big difference. Also as the rest of the drafted QB's as in Wilson, Luck, Tannehill, Foles, etc get contracts that protect them from entangibles outside their own performance how long do you think he will be Happy Kaepi. Those are the aspects that are really bad in his contract, he gets the shaft if the rest of the team or coaches don't play up to the standards set in his contract.

 

[Front7vLOB]

Kaep doesn't have any say in the situation after 3 years. The 49ers do. I am not sure how many times we have to say this to you. You didn't get a discount. You got flexibility.

Regarding Kap not having a say, that is a joke. There are methods Kap and his agents can employ to force the 49ers hand. Just as teams don't necessarily have to honor a contract, neither do players.

While Kap's roster spot on the 49ers is up to the team, Kap has the power to hold out, demand a trade, etc. And since the 49ers have no risk when it comes to cutting Kap, they can easily do so if he presents any problems.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/06/646409 ... ranks.html

Here are the official numbers for Colin Kaepernick's new contract. The deal averages $19 million overall and $18.666 over the first three years. His salary cap number for this year is $3.767 million. That jumps to $15.266 next year and goes up every year after that if he is still on the team, ending at $21.4 million in 2020.

Here's where Kaepernick's average per-year-total ranks among quarterbacks. Each of the players ahead of Kaepernick, aside from Matt Ryan, has won a Super Bowl.

1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay: $22 million

2. Matt Ryan, Atlanta: $20.75 million

3. Joe Flacco, Baltimore: $20.1 million

4. Drew Brees, New Orleans: $20 million

5. Peyton Manning, Denver: $19.2 million

6. Colin Kaepernick, San Francisco: $19 million

7. Jay Cutler, Chicago: $18.1 million

8. Tony Romo, Dallas: $18 million

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/06/646409 ... rylink=cpy

How is this not a discount? People were projecting Matt Ryan money. In fact, the average of amount saved compared to a Matt Ryan deal is $2m a year in space (that's the average for the entire length of the contract-- it's obviously a backloaded deal so the savings is larger for the first few years).

Once RW, Andrew Luck, and Cam Newton sign their extensions, Kap will be the 9th highest paid QB...

That is saving cap space. End of story.

 

[Jville]

Regarding Kap not having a say, that is a joke. There are methods Kap and his agents can employ to force the 49ers hand. Just as teams don't necessarily have to honor a contract, neither do players.

Right ...... although there are a couple of 49ers and their agents that might take issue with that.

Poor Jim got left out ..... coaches are people too.

 

[rideaducati]

Shaping discussions and perspectives about 49er subject matter is the preoccupation of 49er trolls.

A plague insisting on imprinting their culture ... to the detriment of native culture.

Asking you to answer a simple question isn't "A plague insisting on imprinting their culture ... to the detriment of native culture".

...dodge...

Ya know what tho? I'm done hounding you on it. I've made my point.

If Russell Wilson signed this contract I would think he's an idiot. Although, Russell would never be offered a contract like this one from the Seahawks because he has proven worthy of a TRUE long term deal.

My conclusion is that chokernick is an idiot.

 

[chris98251]

Front7vLOB

Your posting best case number which based on the de escalators he will more then likely never see, All Pro Status, winning a Super Bowl all are great, but that is also ego feeding and since he has other then Brady and Manning the best QB's in the league in his division that he has to compete to get 1st or 2nd team all pro consideration with. He also plays in a division that is the toughest in the league and with argueably 4 teams that are legitmate Super Bowl contenders. Those de escalators from my understanding are going from season to season so with each one not acheived it makes the next years salary less for each one not reached.

Worst part is he is not in control of most of it, if you change coaches, lose players etc he still takes the hit. He is also paying the insurance policy that pays the 49ers for not protecting him should he get hurt. Why would you insure the employer rather then yourself?

 

[DavidSeven]

FWIW, Joe Flacco doesn't have a $20M/year contract. That is the biggest misconception in the football world. His deal is almost entirely back loaded and averages a (relatively) paltry $12M in cap hits over the first three years. His deal will be re-done after those first three years. His cap that year is $30M. If you think the Ravens are taking that cap hit, then I have some swamp land to sell you.

 

[Sourdough #49]

Really? If Wilson signed a deal this friendly to the Seahawks, what would you say?

What do you think this is ....... a fantasy forum?

Interesting question, because if you check out any page of conversations and you'll find a lot of "fantasy forum" type posts. What if this? What if that? What do you think will happen? etc..etc. All I see on this forum, especially in the offseason, is reminiscing about the past and putting guesses out there on the future "What if? What if?"

Regarding Marvin49's question: I not only see nothing wrong with this "assumption", I think it is a valid question. And I agree: If the exact same story came out but you swapped Kap's name for Wilson's, the reaction here would be a lot different. And the opposite is likely true if you are on the 49ers forum - praising Kap for his selflessness, and if the names were swapped they'd be bagging on Wilson too.

I'm guessing Marvin49 is just saying when you consider this likelihood, maybe just maybe it's possible Kap didn't go into this making a mistake, rather he actually did this to help the 49ers organization help build the team so he can win

You don't think that's a valid way to support his point?

This.

...and yes, 49er fans would probably bag on Wilsons deal. Nature of the beast.

Homers with rose colored blinders fill up team/fan forums and online team articles for every team. Every site has intelligent and reasonable posters as well. There are just fewer of them.....

 

[Jville]

A thought in passing ...... even though it may crowd the comfort zone of an obvious special interest pack.

Secondary sourcing and hearsay is what produced the initial splash and imagery of the original topic. It was misleading. Clearer details and meaningful content were revealed only after information dissemination came in closer contact with originating sources. We would be well served to incorporate this understanding in our mindset ... so as to invest time in appraising both information and source.

This thread has been another lesson, that far to often, secondary sources inadvertently or purposefully produce slanted and biased perspective to advance their agenda. All sources are local. Those sources are accountable to a head that in turn is accountable to a select targeted audience. A phenomenon that consistently alludes and shapes the thinking of some visitors.

The rest of the world is not a 49er suburb.

 

[Sourdough #49]

A thought in passing ...... even though it may crowd the comfort zone of anyone without a spine.

Secondary sourcing and hearsay is what produced the initial splash and imagery of the original topic. It was misleading. Clearer details and meaningful content were revealed only after information dissemination came in closer contact with originating sources. We would be well served to incorporate this understanding in our mindset ... so as to invest time in appraising both information and source.

This thread has been another lesson, that far to often, secondary sources inadvertently or purposefully produce slanted and biased perspective to advance their agenda. All sources are local. Those sources are accountable to a head that in turn is accountable to a select targeted audience. A phenomenon that consistently alludes and shapes the thinking of most forum visitors/posters.

Fixed :th2thumbs: Otherwise great post!

 

[Jville]

A thought in passing ...... even though it may crowd the comfort zone of anyone without a spine.

Secondary sourcing and hearsay is what produced the initial splash and imagery of the original topic. It was misleading. Clearer details and meaningful content were revealed only after information dissemination came in closer contact with originating sources. We would be well served to incorporate this understanding in our mindset ... so as to invest time in appraising both information and source.

This thread has been another lesson, that far to often, secondary sources inadvertently or purposefully produce slanted and biased perspective to advance their agenda. All sources are local. Those sources are accountable to a head that in turn is accountable to a select targeted audience. A phenomenon that consistently alludes and shapes the thinking of most forum visitors/posters.

Fixed :th2thumbs:

:177692: no need. I'm fine with the original.

Authentic post from the original source as it appeared >>>>

A thought in passing ...... even though it may crowd the comfort zone of an obvious special interest pack.

Secondary sourcing and hearsay is what produced the initial splash and imagery of the original topic. It was misleading. Clearer details and meaningful content were revealed only after information dissemination came in closer contact with originating sources. We would be well served to incorporate this understanding in our mindset ... so as to invest time in appraising both information and source.

This thread has been another lesson, that far to often, secondary sources inadvertently or purposefully produce slanted and biased perspective to advance their agenda. All sources are local. Those sources are accountable to a head that in turn is accountable to a select targeted audience. A phenomenon that consistently alludes and shapes the thinking of some visitors.

The rest of the world is not a 49er suburb.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Man.. I really don't care what KaeperSpaz's contract is made of, but I am of the opinion that any more these things typically never mature to their finality. It seems like it is just a tease for money that the player never actually sees.

In this instance, the Niners certainly saved themselves some serious bank by getting it done now. KaeperSpaz isn't chopped liver, he is just a kid that in a small sample size has choked. Even if the guy just barely improves in his growth, his cost would be higher if the Niners waited and the offers from other teams may have removed him.

I honestly do not believe that CKDB will see the money from his contract's potential, it just seems that more often than not that these contracts end up getting cut short for one reason or another. The FO did a great job in putting together a low risk deal that protects them if CKDB turns elite or if he turns into nothing. Either way, the franchise is protected and are paying much less overall than if they waited.

Now CKDB could get nasty about things once the others get their money, but for now he realizes that he hasn't exactly proven himself worthy of a crazy deal. If he would have won that 2012 Super Bowl or if he didn't completely choke the NFCC in the 4th I think the Niners are paying A LOT more. On the other side of it, if Mikah Hyde doesn't have butterfingers I have to wonder if they even do the deal.

Whatever transpires, I don't see this deal maturing.

 

[loafoftatupu]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

 

[chris98251]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

Very nice post.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

There you go again with facts!....... Sigh!

In all seriousness, great post! :0190l:

 

[BoX916]

First - I skipped all post and just posted.


Second -

Contract not that bad for the Niners if kap does what the contract says, I'm fine paying him that.

 

[Marvin49]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

For the record, I happen to agree with you that Wilson won't sign a contact like Kaps. That was never my point. The point was always about the negative spin given to the 49ers, Kap and his agent that IMO would be given an entirely different spin had it been signed by Wilson.

The contract is similar in structure to the contracts the 49ers have ALL their players sign to protect themselves from injury, poor performance, etc. what makes this contract is that they have never appeared in a QBs contract and have never been on this scale. Kaepernick is betting on himself and the 49ers are giving him money they didn't need to. Signing him now saves them tons down the road, but their clear assumption is that he will be here down the road. Otherwise they could have let h play out his contract and the franchised him. Twice if need be and it would still have been cheaper.

The Seahawks haven't traditionally signed players to these types of contracts, so I wholeheartedly agree that Seatte won't. That was never the pint of the question. The question was about the lens you look through and hypocracy.

One last thing about helping the team...if Kap signed a contract like this, it's tough for an agent to say his guy shouldn't when the highest payed player on the team accepted that structure.

EDIT: ...and I typed this on my phone outside my sons guitar class so please excuse the horrendous spelling and grammar. Sigh.

 

[loafoftatupu]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

For the record, I happen to agree with you that Wilson won't sign a contact like Kaps. That was never my point. The point was always about the negative spin given to the 49ers, Kap and his agent that IMO would be given an entirely different spin had it been signed by Wilson.

The contract is similar in structure to the contracts the 49ers have ALL their players sign to protect themselves from injury, poor performance, etc. what makes this contract is that they have never appeared in a QBs contract and have never been on this scale. Kaepernick is betting on himself and the 49ers are giving him money they didn't need to. Signing him now saves them tons down the road, but their clear assumption is that he will be here down the road. Otherwise they could have let h play out his contract and the franchised him. Twice if need be and it would still have been cheaper.

The Seahawks haven't traditionally signed players to these types of contracts, so I wholeheartedly agree that Seatte won't. That was never the pint of the question. The question was about the lens you look through and hypocracy.

One last thing about helping the team...if Kap signed a contract like this, it's tough for an agent to say his guy shouldn't when the highest payed player on the team accepted that structure.

Wait a minute...

Hypocrisy?

How could it be hypocrisy if the situation you presented isn't even a potential occurrence?

You are presenting a hypothetical situation Marvin, unless Wilson actually gets a similarly worded contract there just isn't anything to be hypocritical about Bro.

No one can visualize it.

And since when does a Niner fan avoid hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is claiming expectations of being "above reproach" then allowing a beer bottle smashing teammate to play and a convicted felon to practice. Now THAT is hypocrisy.

 

[Giedi]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

For the record, I happen to agree with you that Wilson won't sign a contact like Kaps. That was never my point. The point was always about the negative spin given to the 49ers, Kap and his agent that IMO would be given an entirely different spin had it been signed by Wilson.

The contract is similar in structure to the contracts the 49ers have ALL their players sign to protect themselves from injury, poor performance, etc. what makes this contract is that they have never appeared in a QBs contract and have never been on this scale. Kaepernick is betting on himself and the 49ers are giving him money they didn't need to. Signing him now saves them tons down the road, but their clear assumption is that he will be here down the road. Otherwise they could have let h play out his contract and the franchised him. Twice if need be and it would still have been cheaper.

The Seahawks haven't traditionally signed players to these types of contracts, so I wholeheartedly agree that Seatte won't. That was never the pint of the question. The question was about the lens you look through and hypocracy.

One last thing about helping the team...if Kap signed a contract like this, it's tough for an agent to say his guy shouldn't when the highest payed player on the team accepted that structure.

Wait a minute...

Hypocrisy?

How could it be hypocrisy if the situation you presented isn't even a potential occurrence?

You are presenting a hypothetical situation Marvin, unless Wilson actually gets a similarly worded contract there just isn't anything to be hypocritical about Bro.

No one can visualize it.

And since when does a Niner fan avoid hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is claiming expectations of being "above reproach" then allowing a beer bottle smashing teammate to play and a convicted felon to practice. Now THAT is hypocrisy.

Loafo my buddie! Great to see you around the 49er boards recently. I'm looking forward to seeing your team lock up your very talented QB sometime next year. Most important thing about the Kaepernick contract is that it was done and we know Colin will be dueling with Russell for the next 6 plus years. I'm pretty sure you will also lock up wilson in a very lucrative contract very similar - if not even more money - than what Kaepernick got. I look forward to seeing your team and Russell play the 49ers these next couple of years. These two teams are the class of the NFL and unfortunately so is there salaries.

 

[Sports Hernia]

I remember the comment of how Seahawk fans would react if Wilson had the same deal.

That isn't even possible. While pleased that the contract wasn't completely ridiculous, the same contract applied to Wilson means far more value.

Unlike CKDB, Wilson didn't choke the biggest game of the year away. In fact, Wilson made clutch plays in that game after an initial miscue that didn't phase him the least. You won't find a game where fans are ripping Wilson for blowing it, he had a stinker in week 16, but he didn't choke the game that really didn't matter anyways. In the Super Bowl he posted a ridiculous rating and admirable stat line. In grind time he was perfect, not a single error in the biggest game of his life.

In his Super Bowl, CKDB took sacks, threw a pick and failed in the clutch. Wilson is the anti-Kaep. He doesn't show anything but poise, doesn't run off the field pouting when he loses, doesn't throw multi pick games and never gives the opponent fuel or draw a fantasy world picture where he claims that DBs are scared. He doesn't kiss his biceps and he doesn't mock the other QB by pulling a Superman pose.

For that, the contract RW gets will be much more rewarding to the player and the fans will want him to be locked up here for his entire career. If he were to get one with CKDB wording, the fans would be pissed that the team did him like that.

RW is a Super Bowl winner in year 2, he wants nothing more than the team to win. I don't think he is going to give a big discount, but I would not be surprised to see him get a very long contract that is structured to be cap friendly to the team and his long term financial stability.

Whatever it is, it will be worth it and the FO knows that he is not a risk at any level.

For the record, I happen to agree with you that Wilson won't sign a contact like Kaps. That was never my point. The point was always about the negative spin given to the 49ers, Kap and his agent that IMO would be given an entirely different spin had it been signed by Wilson.

The contract is similar in structure to the contracts the 49ers have ALL their players sign to protect themselves from injury, poor performance, etc. what makes this contract is that they have never appeared in a QBs contract and have never been on this scale. Kaepernick is betting on himself and the 49ers are giving him money they didn't need to. Signing him now saves them tons down the road, but their clear assumption is that he will be here down the road. Otherwise they could have let h play out his contract and the franchised him. Twice if need be and it would still have been cheaper.

The Seahawks haven't traditionally signed players to these types of contracts, so I wholeheartedly agree that Seatte won't. That was never the pint of the question. The question was about the lens you look through and hypocracy.

One last thing about helping the team...if Kap signed a contract like this, it's tough for an agent to say his guy shouldn't when the highest payed player on the team accepted that structure.

Wait a minute...

Hypocrisy?

How could it be hypocrisy if the situation you presented isn't even a potential occurrence?

You are presenting a hypothetical situation Marvin, unless Wilson actually gets a similarly worded contract there just isn't anything to be hypocritical about Bro.

No one can visualize it.

And since when does a Niner fan avoid hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is claiming expectations of being "above reproach" then allowing a beer bottle smashing teammate to play and a convicted felon to practice. Now THAT is hypocrisy.

Loafo my buddie! Great to see you around the 49er boards recently. I'm looking forward to seeing your team lock up your very talented QB sometime next year. Most important thing about the Kaepernick contract is that it was done and we know Colin will be dueling with Russell for the next 6 plus years. I'm pretty sure you will also lock up wilson in a very lucrative contract very similar - if not even more money - than what Kaepernick got. I look forward to seeing your team and Russell play the 49ers these next couple of years. These two teams are the class of the NFL and unfortunately so is there salaries.

Do you have multiple personalities? I ask this because your viciousness towards anything Seattle on the webzone seems to be off the charts compared to this post. I'm not trying to start anything over here as I hope you can be civil here, just curious.

PS. for the record I don't have an account over there, just read it for the "looney toons style" entertainment value.

 

[Popeyejones]

I feel sorry for Kap.

LOL at the concern trolling.

Your argument is basically that:

A) You are an outlier in that unlike most others you weren't expecting him to sign for a deal that, depending on his play, is lower than recently signed second-tier quarterbacks (e.g. Cutler, Flacco, Stafford, etc.; basically if he plays like these guys he'll get paid less than them).

No it is interesting to me to see a considered top 10 quarterback take a very strange very high risk contract that has him paying insurance for the 49ers.

B) You don't understand how taking a MUCH lower guaranteed signing bonus than expected frees up room for more re-signings from today through the next league year.

But it doesn't. why don't you see that? He could have taken less base salary more signing bonus/guaranteed money and still came out the same numbers There really is nothing in the contract that helps the team with singing other players. His contract is a 3 year tryout, that he takes all the risk. That is the part that I can't understand from an outside view. Kapernick is taking all the risk. The 49ers are taking none. That's just bad advice negotiating on the agents part.

C) You don't understand how including de-escalators if they don't go to the SB or he isn't an All-Pro frees up money to bring in more firepower.

Having escalators is common contract language, what is significant is the De-esculators and what they are. so again this is nothing grand, it is telling of the FO.

The first is an opinion, and the later two are just strange claims to make.

Also, it's worth saying that you rejecting an explanation is not the same thing as one not being offered, which is what happened above.
You are correct but not answering the question is not the same, see point b again.

What makes this contract unique, is it does not free up any extra money in a unique way, or helps to resign players in a friendly way, it is that a top 10 QB is taking a very unfriendly contract. This contract places all the risk on the player. The organization is getting all benefits. The player is even paying the insurance after taxes for the organization if he gets hurt So that guaranteed money if he gets hurt the player is actually paying for.

I think you're probably going to have decide if it is unique or not to include de-escalators if he's not a top 4 QB in the league. You acknowledge that it is, and then later conclude that it isn't in order to maintain your stance that there's nothing unique about the contract and the flexibility it gives the team. It is simple: If Kap isn't an all-pro or the 9ers don't reach the Super Bowl thenn his contract automatically decreases which frees up more cap room to bring in more firepower. It's an atypical thing to put in a contract (which you acknowledge before you deny), and it inarguably helps the team pay more for more players in the event that they need them. Not to be a jerk, but I really don't understand what's complicated about this.

Likewise, regarding the abonormally low signing bonus, you are at the same time arguing that it places risk on the player but does not give the team more flexibility. I'm sure you can see the incongruity here. Taking a lower signing bonus gives the team more flexibility because the money is not guaranteed. A signing bonus is a signing bonus is a signing bonus. Salary can be adjusted and moved around from year to year to sign and resign players as need be (a la what the Patriots do with Tom Brady), a signing bonus cannot. This too is not that complicated.

If you insist on arguing that the 9ers are jerks or Kaepernick is an idiot for the contract they mutually agreed on that's fine, but arguing in addition that it does not give the team more flexibility in re-signing or bringing in other players simply betrays basic logic.