HawKnPeppa":35ryl6fr said:ZagHawk":35ryl6fr said:Last time I checked most Americans start work anywhere between 6-9 AM, and we're crying about 10 AM? God I wish I could go to work at 10 AM. Maybe the next time there is a situation like this, the team should travel sooner and perhaps take an extra day to practice at the location?
You only answer this way because the question doesn't contain an explanation that plops the homework you obviously didn't do in front of your eyes.
The game STARTS at 10:00AM PST. That means....talking slowly....the players... get... up... at... 5:00AM... to... start... their... routine. You can thank me any time for that in-depth research. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
253hawk":fdx6ls8u said:No, it was to seahawksny right above me.
I mean a game here and there at 10 AM isn't a big deal, but back-to-back after having just been on PST time for a week can feel really bizarro.
253hawk":fdx6ls8u said:People can say we're "crybabies" about it, but if it's not an issue, then what makes the east coast teams so special that they can't play two games on the west coast even if they're in week 1 and 17? It's favoritism driving on a one-way street.
Whether there's an actual scientific affect is irrelevant, since the rule exists in the first place. A single east coast trip for Seattle is about as many miles as the Eagles traveled during the entire season.
253hawk":25nxzcsj said:People can say we're "crybabies" about it, but if it's not an issue, then what makes the east coast teams so special that they can't play two games on the west coast even if they're in week 1 and 17? It's favoritism driving on a one-way street.
Whether there's an actual scientific affect is irrelevant, since the rule exists in the first place. A single east coast trip for Seattle is about as many miles as the Eagles traveled during the entire season.
Popeyejones":yn07isct said:Sgt Largent":yn07isct said:Primetimers are played at what 830pm EST?
They start at 8:30 EST not because there's a secret east coast bias or because east coast fans are wimpy (as you claim), but because the NFL is trying to maximize viewership and fans' ability to watch the game.
If everything was in the tank for the East Coast they'd much rather not have national games ending at midnight (I live in EST now and it sucks).
Instead they'd be starting games at 7PM EST so they could air the whole game during primetime, but they don't do this, because West Coast viewers are still at work at 4PM. 8:30 PM maximizes primetime viewing as much as possible across both coasts.
Rather than being a bias or a conspiracy it's a matter of common sense.
Popeyejones":1tr2rump said:By 6AM every morning I'm up with my daughter. By 830 AM every morning I've worked out and ready for work. I knock out the hardest and most focused tasks of my day in the morning because I've got more energy.
East Coast teams are regularly playing football while the rest of the world is tired, winding down, and eating dinner.
The 10AM start time thing amounts to not much more than junk stats and whiny overblown nonsense, IMO. I'm not just targeting Hawks fans with this, as 9ers fans bring it up too whenever they happen to lose a 1PM EST start time game.
People don't like it when their team loses and grab at any reason they can that's not their team getting beaten to make excuses for it.
Laloosh":2wafmvj0 said:AgentDib":2wafmvj0 said:There's a funny subset of sports fans who think if they minimize an issue it transfers a magical shield of denial to their team. You can see this with any factor that can be a slight disadvantage: size/height, time zones, weather/field conditions, key injuries, etc. "No excuses" is often the mantra behind this viewpoint and it never makes any sense. We're only too happy as fans to discuss the positive factors so why are a few negative factors so scary? Being honest about a negative factor is the first step in overcoming it.
Generalizing about people generalizing isn't an argument either.
My not being convinced that the 10am starts are a big factor in the outcome isn't because I am in denial; it's because I haven't seen any evidence that points directly to the start time of the game being the cause of the early holes.
I've gone back and forth on this topic because before this week, I never really spent much time looking at other teams / games that played under the same criteria or how the outcomes compare to different game times.
Would you be surprised to know that those same West division teams that I pointed out in my prior post have a much worse win/loss ratio in afternoon games (4:30 pm etc) on the east coast in the playoffs?
Every year, every game... they're all different but did you expect to see a much lower win percentage later in the day?
Why do I fall into that subset that you describe if my magical shield is actual game results in the later time slots that everyone is advocating?
Laloosh":14ds8k2w said:AgentDib":14ds8k2w said:There's a funny subset of sports fans who think if they minimize an issue it transfers a magical shield of denial to their team. You can see this with any factor that can be a slight disadvantage: size/height, time zones, weather/field conditions, key injuries, etc. "No excuses" is often the mantra behind this viewpoint and it never makes any sense. We're only too happy as fans to discuss the positive factors so why are a few negative factors so scary? Being honest about a negative factor is the first step in overcoming it.
Generalizing about people generalizing isn't an argument either.
My not being convinced that the 10am starts are a big factor in the outcome isn't because I am in denial; it's because I haven't seen any evidence that points directly to the start time of the game being the cause of the early holes.
I've gone back and forth on this topic because before this week, I never really spent much time looking at other teams / games that played under the same criteria or how the outcomes compare to different game times.
Would you be surprised to know that those same West division teams that I pointed out in my prior post have a much worse win/loss ratio in afternoon games (4:30 pm etc) on the east coast in the playoffs?
Every year, every game... they're all different but did you expect to see a much lower win percentage later in the day?
Why do I fall into that subset that you describe if my magical shield is actual game results in the later time slots that everyone is advocating?
NINEster":1ex5gly6 said:There are articles written with evidence/stats to back up that east coast teams versus the west coast in primetime have historically struggled (Monday Night Football was the basis).
"Stanford researchers dug through 25 years of MNF games and flagged every time a West Coast team played an East Coast team. The West Coast teams dominated their East Coast opponents no matter where they played."
http://deadspin.com/5934440/the-circadi ... -nfl-teams
Let it go guys.
Stop using logic to make your point man. Don't you know it's about Hawks fans whining? (even though many of us talked strictly about "west coast teams" including you)Scottemojo":2dtugu56 said:So on Saturday no games started at 12 Eastern. So why start one on Sunday at 12 Eastern?
THe Reality is Eastern teams whined about travel and got their west coast burden reduced.
Also, the NFL protecting afternoon eastern starts for ratings is an outdated concept.
There is literally no reason to not have traveling western teams start games at 12 Pacific.
It isn't whining, it is protecting your interests. Eastern teams did it, and got their way, now it's time for western teams to protect their interests.
NINEster":dzvcuna3 said:There are articles written with evidence/stats to back up that east coast teams versus the west coast in primetime have historically struggled (Monday Night Football was the basis).
"Stanford researchers dug through 25 years of MNF games and flagged every time a West Coast team played an East Coast team. The West Coast teams dominated their East Coast opponents no matter where they played."
http://deadspin.com/5934440/the-circadi ... -nfl-teams
Let it go guys.
253hawk":22mee2ir said:Wild card round:
Packers at Redskins: 1 PM PST start
Seahawks at Vikings: 10 AM PST start
That made absolutely zero sense whatsoever. Make the central/east teams play late, and the west coast team play early? There's now 7 teams west of Texas, and at best, 4 might make the playoffs. There's no reason the NFL can't coordinate start times with geography a little better.
Laloosh":2bzw7xsc said:I get the body clock thing but sometimes you just have to pick your battles.
Going back to the 70's, teams in "West" divisions have fared better than "East" division teams on the road, in the playoffs, in eastern time zones, in early games.
West
East
I'm aware that some of those teams are not on the west coast.
To be fair, I pulled a different result set with an emphasis on scoring margins and the west coast teams are demonstrably worse.
West
East
Thing is, only 3/8 teams in West divisions showed improvement in the 3rd quarter and 4/9 teams in East divisions improved in the 3rd quarter.
If you saw shrinking deficits or increasing leads across the board in the 3rd quarter for the West, I might be more inclined to think that it's a bigger factor but to me, I don't see how you can measure it's impact.
RichNhansom":uxq5xnpr said:This brings up the other question. Why did they slot two NFC teams on Sunday and two AFC teams on Saturday this year whens it has always been one of each esch day?
If they don't change the format we would be playing Saturday and no early start.
Why change it?
253hawk":1msnskht said:RichNhansom":1msnskht said:This brings up the other question. Why did they slot two NFC teams on Sunday and two AFC teams on Saturday this year whens it has always been one of each esch day?
If they don't change the format we would be playing Saturday and no early start.
Why change it?
I thought that was really weird, too. I think that's the first time that's ever happened, for the first time in 50 years...so it was obviously deliberate, for whatever reason.
I'd take a Saturday afternoon game over an early Sunday game in a heartbeat.