Golden Tate on KJ Wright's podcast

[toffee]

Tate made a pretty convincing case that he didn't sleep with Wilson's ex.

 

[12AngryHawks]

I liked Tate, especially because he was famous for his YAC abilities. At the time, I wanted him to stay in Seattle, but after listening to his interview with KJ, I couldn't blame him for leaving. I know he said it was more-so because Seattle low-balled him, but when your QB doesn't come to your defense when there are false rumors floating around that you slept with his wife, that's just a stab in the back. I don't see how you can have a working relationship with someone like that.

If there's anyone here who feels sorry for Wilson for all the flack he took last season, I recommend you listen to this interview, and see if you still feel the same way.

 

[RiverDog]

I love how Tate said he doesn't understand why that catch was called "Fail Mary"
he said because "I caught that ball"..Damn straight he did!
I can't tell you how many arguments I had with Packer fans over it.
They refuse to believe the facts or understand the rule on that catch.

I agree that the call on the catch was the correct call. It never hit the ground and either Tate had it or there was a dual possession as it was obvious that the Packers DB didn't clearly have it, in which case it goes to the receiver.

However, the egregious part of that play was a few moments before the catch when Tate blatantly pushed a Packers DB in the back and out of the way. Granted, the refs usually allow a lot of pushing and shoving in a situation like that, but Tate's push off was way over the line and OPI should have been called.

If we would have been the victims of that no-call, I can guarantee you that Seahawk Nation would have been jumping out windows. It was just as bad as the DPI no call in the Rams-Saints NFCCG a few years later.

 

[scutterhawk]

I agree that the call on the catch was the correct call. It never hit the ground and either Tate had it or there was a dual possession as it was obvious that the Packers DB didn't clearly have it, in which case it goes to the receiver.

However, the egregious part of that play was a few moments before the catch when Tate blatantly pushed a Packers DB in the back and out of the way. Granted, the refs usually allow a lot of pushing and shoving in a situation like that, but Tate's push off was way over the line and OPI should have been called.

If we would have been the victims of that no-call, I can guarantee you that Seahawk Nation would have been jumping out windows. It was just as bad as the DPI no call in the Rams-Saints NFCCG a few years later.

The Refs called that play correctly, it was a ruckus bang-bang, up for grabs play in the endzone & there was a lot of pushing & shoving going on, but when Tate finally hit the ground with his hands on the ball = Receiver Possession = Seahawks Touchdown.
And besides, the Refs had been GIVING the Packers a LOT of questionable gimme calls all game long.
It never should have come down to that ONE play, the Seahawks hands down had the better team play in that particular game.

 

[RiverDog]

The Refs called that play correctly, it was a ruckus bang-bang, up for grabs play in the endzone & there was a lot of pushing & shoving going on, but when Tate finally hit the ground with his hands on the ball = Receiver Possession = Seahawks Touchdown.
And besides, the Refs had been GIVING the Packers a LOT of questionable gimme calls all game long.
It never should have come down to that ONE play, the Seahawks hands down had the better team play in that particular game.

Tate used both hands and physically shoved the DB out of the way. I don't care how ruckus or up for grabs that play was, it doesn't give you a free pass to push and shove to your heart's delight. It was the equivalent of a mugging and should have been called.

I guarantee you that had the shoe been on the other foot, you would have been screaming bloody murder, as I would have.

 

[morgulon1]

I always half-way disliked GT. Great player on the field, but seemed like a complete bonehead off the field. Accepting responsibility for his mistakes and acting like a real human being is almost unique in pro athlete's interviews. Respect to GT for A)resisting the urge to negatively represent ex-teammates (when it's obvious he has that right), B)owning his mistakes made as a young man in Seattle and C)embracing his role as a Dad and family man without being embarrassed of being labeled Mr Mom. He really changed my perspective. I like grown-up GT.

...and yet another unexemplary RCW tale...

Great post.

I agree with you and noticed the same thing. How rare is it for men to step forward and admit their mistakes without lame excuses? That takes balls. I actually liked GT and was pretty bummed when he left. I think he was a little undervalued as an important piece of the team . He was a heck of a player coming out of Notre Dame , I believe he was initially in the running for the Heisman at one point. He was a YAC machine , which is just now being addressed with Smith Njigba . Imagine if PC/JS would've kept and payed Tate instead of giving up draft capital and big money for psycho Harvin?

I understand people's frustration with Tate ,he was a little immature coming from NCAA but the talent was unmistakable.

 

[rcaido]

I liked Tate, especially because he was famous for his YAC abilities. At the time, I wanted him to stay in Seattle, but after listening to his interview with KJ, I couldn't blame him for leaving. I know he said it was more-so because Seattle low-balled him, but when your QB doesn't come to your defense when there are false rumors floating around that you slept with his wife, that's just a stab in the back. I don't see how you can have a working relationship with someone like that.

If there's anyone here who feels sorry for Wilson for all the flack he took last season, I recommend you listen to this interview, and see if you still feel the same way.

No the reason he left was because Seahawks gave him the biggest low ball offer. Tate was even willing to take less then what the Lions offered just to stay in Seattle. He said this multiple times. He offered a home town discount. Why would he request that if he didn't want to play for Wilson?

As for Wilson's wife & Golden...No one really knows but those two. If it took Wilson so long to acknowledge that he believes Golden, then that means there were doubts before. Why would anyone defend someone if they are not 100% sure that person bang his wife. Or it could just mean the obvious...its just a silly rumor and tabloid trash not worth responding to.

 

[scutterhawk]

Tate used both hands and physically shoved the DB out of the way. I don't care how ruckus or up for grabs that play was, it doesn't give you a free pass to push and shove to your heart's delight. It was the equivalent of a mugging and should have been called.

I guarantee you that had the shoe been on the other foot, you would have been screaming bloody murder, as I would have.

Most times the Refs will call OPI throughout the game, but you and I both know they will almost always swallow their whistles in the final minutes in the end zone.
An let's not pretend that the Packers 'D' hadn't been getting away with crap for that whole damned game, so I didn't give a crap that the Refs finally gave one back to the Seahawks.
Oh and, the Seahawks have already gotten more than their fair share of crap decisions when the "Shoe was on the other foot".

 

[scutterhawk]

No the reason he left was because Seahawks gave him the biggest low ball offer. Tate was even willing to take less then what the Lions offered just to stay in Seattle. He said this multiple times. He offered a home town discount. Why would he request that if he didn't want to play for Wilson?

As for Wilson's wife & Golden...No one really knows but those two. If it took Wilson so long to acknowledge that he believes Golden, then that means there were doubts before. Why would anyone defend someone if they are not 100% sure that person bang his wife. Or it could just mean the obvious...its just a silly rumor and tabloid trash not worth responding to.

LOLOLOL "Low Ball Offer" / "Willing To Take Less", "Wanted to stay in Seattle", "Home Tow Discount" but took the MORE MONEY offered by the Lions, and so, left Seattle to go and team up with Matt Stafford, "Best Quarterback I've Ever played With" that statement, and his actual moving on to Detroit said A WHOLE LOT about his willingness to move on from Lord Wilson, eh?

 

[RiverDog]

Most times the Refs will call OPI throughout the game, but you and I both know they will almost always swallow their whistles in the final minutes in the end zone.
An let's not pretend that the Packers 'D' had been getting away with crap for that whole damned game, so I didn't give a crap that the Refs finally gave one back to the Seahawks.
Oh and, the Seahawks have already gotten more than their fair share of crap decisions when the "Shoe was on the other foot".

I agree that the refs are more likely to let them play in the final minutes. Most refs don't want to be the center of attention on a game winning/losing play.

But there are limits, and that OPI was extremely blatant, every bit as egregious as the DPI no call in the Rams-Saints NFCCG that also wasn't called in which everybody, including the league, went ballistic. There's no way anyone can justify not making that call.

And like I said, had the Packers been the beneficiary of a no call that blatant in that situation, you and I would have lost our marbles.

 

[Bobblehead]

The Fail Mary was questionable at best. Glad Seattle got the call, but I can see both sides. If the roles we're reversed, I doubt there would be one person on here defending the other side.

You didn't watch the slomo replays?

 

[scutterhawk]

I agree that the refs are more likely to let them play in the final minutes. Most refs don't want to be the center of attention on a game winning/losing play.

But there are limits, and that OPI was extremely blatant, every bit as egregious as the DPI no call in the Rams-Saints NFCCG that also wasn't called in which everybody, including the league, went ballistic. There's no way anyone can justify not making that call.

And like I said, had the Packers been the beneficiary of a no call that blatant in that situation, you and I would have lost our marbles.

Limits-Shmimits, I don't give a flying rats patootie about how & why the Refs swallowed their whistles on that one particular play, the Seahawks had been given the short end of the damned stick for THAT ENTIRE Game, and IF ONE damned play, that decided the winner of that contest in the lopsided called-in-favor of the Packers game OVER ALL, went instead to the Seahawks favor??? SO - BE- IT!
YOU would have lost your "Marbles", but sometimes? KARMA works to make things RIGHT, eh?

 

[scutterhawk]

You didn't watch the slomo replays?

Obviously they DID NOT.
The Holier Than Thou seldom do.

 

[RiverDog]

Limits-Shmimits, I don't give a flying rats patootie about how & why the Refs swallowed their whistles on that one particular play, the Seahawks had been given the short end of the damned stick for THAT ENTIRE Game, and IF ONE damned play, that decided the winner of that contest in the lopsided called-in-favor of the Packers game OVER ALL, went instead to the Seahawks favor??? SO - BE- IT!
YOU would have lost your "Marbles", but sometimes? KARMA works to make things RIGHT, eh?

Settle down, my friend! I'm not saying that we deserved to lose that game, nor am I contesting your opinion about the officiating during the other 59 minutes. To be honest, I didn't see the game live as I was in Africa at the time. All I'm saying is that on that one particular play, ie Fail Mary, it wasn't the catch Packers fans should have been complaining about as IMO it was called correctly. What they should have been bitching about was the no call OPI.

I also feel that because they were replacement refs that they might have felt a little more pressure to swallow their whistle and not make a game changing call than would have an experienced NFL ref.

 

[rcaido]

LOLOLOL "Low Ball Offer" / "Willing To Take Less", "Wanted to stay in Seattle", "Home Tow Discount" but took the MORE MONEY offered by the Lions, and so, left Seattle to go and team up with Matt Stafford, "Best Quarterback I've Ever played With" that statement, and his actual moving on to Detroit said A WHOLE LOT about his willingness to move on from Lord Wilson, eh?

He really wanted to stay. Even in this interview, he really believe this team was special and wanted to be part of it. i remember when we didn't sign him, i was so mad. I had him higher then Baldwin at the time. He went on some radio station and said he couldn't believe how low the Seattle management was offering him.

Settle down, my friend! I'm not saying that we deserved to lose that game, nor am I contesting your opinion about the officiating during the other 59 minutes. To be honest, I didn't see the game live as I was in Africa at the time. All I'm saying is that on that one particular play, ie Fail Mary, it wasn't the catch Packers fans should have been complaining about as IMO it was called correctly. What they should have been bitching about was the no call OPI.

I also feel that because they were replacement refs that they might have felt a little more pressure to swallow their whistle and not make a game changing call than would have an experienced NFL ref.

Yeah it was a catch by Tate but an obvious OPI. So many bad calls against us. If it wasn't an Erin Rodgers team, no one would have cared.

 

[scutterhawk]

He really wanted to stay. Even in this interview, he really believe this team was special and wanted to be part of it. i remember when we didn't sign him, i was so mad. I had him higher then Baldwin at the time. He went on some radio station and said he couldn't believe how low the Seattle management was offering him.

Yeah it was a catch by Tate but an obvious OPI. So many bad calls against us. If it wasn't an Erin Rodgers team, no one would have cared.

Point was, Tate saying that he would have given Schneider & Co. a "Hometown Discount" turned out to be absolutely untrue, or else he would have taken the seahawks offer, or at the very least, bartered for a little better contract, but instead, he took the 'More Money' that the Detroit Lions were offering up, eh?

 

[HawkRiderFan]

Great interview. Considering how honest he was owning up to his own stupidity when he was young ie going back and flipping off the employee at the donut place to make it worse, I don't think he's lying about the Wilson stuff. Imagine his significant other, in-laws etc having to face taunts cause Wilson never stepped up to have his back. He has a right to be pissed.
His comment about "following the trajectory" Wilson leaves enough of a clue for people to figure it out.

Intersting comment about in those early days the receivers bought into riding the D and running game cause they wanted to win.

 

[FrodosFinger]

Tate made a pretty convincing case that he didn't sleep with Wilson's ex.

He said the rumor haunted him for years lol. Dude needs a psych eval if he let a baseless rumor eat away at him like that for years.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

I think the biggest point of this is missed entirely. Two officials made calls on that - one called it a TD and one an interception. If you look at the replay, the official who called it an interception was standing at the back of the end zone. Tate and the defender's body were 100% blocking his view. He had no business making any call at all. The official who called it a TD was standing in a position to actually be watching the two players fighting for the ball. The head ref listened to both of their calls and went with the only one who had any ability to watch the play. As Tate says in the interview - a tie always goes to the offensive player and I don't see how you can in real time make any call other than simultaneous possession. IE, TD for Tate. Based on what the officials saw on the field, the right call was made on the field.

You can argue about the offensive interference - yes, Tate definitely pushed a defender and yes, they generally let a hail mary play out.

This all comes down to Jon Gruden bad mouthing the call during the broadcast. If he hadn't been so adamant in dissing the replacement refs on the call, the controversy never happens.

Whether he caught it or not, and I don't think there was enough to overturn a TD call, regular refs almost definitely call that OPI. Took out 3 defenders with one blatant shove. I recall the replacements saying that they were told under no circumstances to flag it on a Hail Mary, but the old timers almost certainly drop the yellow.

 

[SNDavidson]

They didn't get along, looks like nothing new. I think Russ put his trust in a group of capitalists whom capitalized on Russ's slow realization that people didn't appreciate the aloof approach. However, none of this really matters. He put up nice numbers, but the relationship fell apart. Russ just simply has tried to be above these conversations and defer to his people, because he is about controlling what he can control. Unfortunately he missed this opportunity to be a human being and make some sort of statement about the rumors. Big egos, lots going on during this time we're referencing.