Thoughts on Geno's contract

scutterhawk

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You lost me as soon as I read 'clearly inferior'. I would take either of those QBs over Smith.

Wilson did stink last year, but lets hold judgment until he plays for a competent coach, in which he has now with Payton (the guy a lot of people here said wouldnt sign with Denver because of Wilson).
"Wilson did stink" 12 Years in the League, Plays his absolute WORST YEAR EVER, and you want to hold judgement because his HC gave him free reign to do everything ME-3 wanted to do????? BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH, Surly you jest!!
 

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Correct, what Geno had going for him was 1 year of stellar play.

Doesn't change anything about why his market was below Carr & Jones.
ok Know-it-all, try and convince Locket & Metcalf that Geno didn't EARN that CBPOY, an appearance at the Pro Bowl, ON TOP OF his Brand new Contract that he just signed....YOU ARE A MINORITY when it comes to Geno & his Teammates, and how they're on board with how good a job he did in YEAR ONE as the Seahawks Signal Caller.
 

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Lol. Wilson restructured his contract to bring in Duane Brown. Some of you just need to stop and quit trying to paint him as such a villain.

As for Smiths contract, he's still in Seattle because nobody else offered him more. He didnt sign the contract as a favor to the Seahawks. I think its a bit high, but i'm mostly indifferent about it. Seems it'll help to sign some players and fill some holes for when the time comes that the team gets a better QB.
The team has a great QB, what they need is a better fan..! Yes, we are ALL looking at you.
 

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"Wilson did stink" 12 Years in the League, Plays his absolute WORST YEAR EVER, and you want to hold judgement because his HC gave him free reign to do everything ME-3 wanted to do????? BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH, Surly you jest!!

So Wilson was the actual coach of the team according to you. Surely you jest.

Payton is the coach now. If Wilson stinks again then Yes, he's truly done. There's no more excuses.
 

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ok Know-it-all, try and convince Locket & Metcalf that Geno didn't EARN that CBPOY, an appearance at the Pro Bowl, ON TOP OF his Brand new Contract that he just signed....YOU ARE A MINORITY when it comes to Geno & his Teammates, and how they're on board with how good a job he did in YEAR ONE as the Seahawks Signal Caller.
What I don’t know is what you think any of that rant has to do with my point on Geno’s market value.

Maybe if you randomly capitalized a few more words?
 

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Wilson did stink last year, but lets hold judgment until he plays for a competent coach, in which he has now with Payton (the guy a lot of people here said wouldnt sign with Denver because of Wilson).
Nah, I'm not going to withhold my judgment of Russ. He got exactly the offense he wanted to run. He got the office, his own staff, and he considered himself a "partner" with his coach. Russ got what Russ wanted, and he stunk up the joint.

Will he improve next season under Payton? I'm sure he will. How much, remains to be seen. But that mess last year? Russ is the majority blameholder.
 

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You lost me as soon as I read 'clearly inferior'. I would take either of those QBs over Smith.
No sane person would ever choose Geno Smith over Aaron Rodgers.

It all depends on whether last year was an outlier for Smith, or a rebirth. For those biased toward outlier, your points are correct. If it was an outlier year, then there is no argument, Rodgers, Carr, and Jones are preferable. If it was a rebirth, then it's not so obvious.

Rodgers is clearly the superior QB, the best of these four. Given the same supporting cast, adjusted for playing style, he's somewhere between the 3rd and 5th best current NFL QB.

But therein lies the problem. It's a package deal, and you have to compare the entire package for the players under consideration. Assuming it was a rebirth, would you rather have Smith at 30 mil, or Rodgers at 50? That's a more difficult decision between two aging players. That's a big chunk of change for the supporting cast, and we've seen what happens with Rodgers when the supporting cast is necessarily sacrificed.

Like Geno, Carr and Jones come with some big question marks. Carr less so, and I think it's hard to make a case for Geno over Carr, even when considering the total package.

If it's a rebirth, gambling on Jones at 40 mil makes no sense to me.

Both the outlier camp and the rebirth camp are correct right now since we can't see the future to know for sure. Both camps will lobby loudly for their point, until we see the results of next season.

This contract allows us to find out without killing us if it's an outlier nor penalizing him if it's a rebirth.
 

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Give Jones the weapons Smith has and get back to me.
Jones has Saquon, one of the best LTs in the league, and the coach of the year who just happens to specialize in offense and oversaw the development of Josh Allen. Their receivers also are not horrible receivers.

This compared to Geno playing under a guy who you've called one of the worst coaches around, especially for quarterbacks, for half a decade running.

Insane how you'll bend like a pretzel to excuse obviously mediocre play from an opposing quarterback yet have all the shit in the world to talk on the quarterback who is about twice as productive for your supposed favorite team.
 

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What I don’t know is what you think any of that rant has to do with my point on Geno’s market value.

Maybe if you randomly capitalized a few more words?
Because you don't actually KNOW what his "Market Value" is or would have been had he not signed to stay with the team that gave him his SHOT to prove he still has it, and you DO NOT KNOW if he wouldn't have drawn interest from another Quarterback needy team.
'Negative Speculation' that's all you post, because that's all you have.
 

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I think the incentives is going to be the downfall for this deal. Geno seems to be at his best when there is no pressure. Im sure the money will be in his head at times trying to make/force plays. He was very careless in the second half of the season.

I still think we should have just improve the defense and go w/ Lock or a rookie QB. This deal does have a good safety net for the Seahawks though.
 

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Jones has Saquon, one of the best LTs in the league, and the coach of the year who just happens to specialize in offense and oversaw the development of Josh Allen. Their receivers also are not horrible receivers.

This compared to Geno playing under a guy who you've called one of the worst coaches around, especially for quarterbacks, for half a decade running.

Insane how you'll bend like a pretzel to excuse obviously mediocre play from an opposing quarterback yet have all the shit in the world to talk on the quarterback who is about twice as productive for your supposed favorite team.

You mentioned the Giants receivers not being horrible and you would be right as this is the NFL and no team has horrible receivers, but could you name any of their receivers without looking them up? I cant. Probably why Jones ran for over 700 yards last season.

Geno is a system QB that usually fails when needing to be anything more than that. As for Carroll, he's a great motivator but not so good when it comes to game planning and X and O's. He's also supposed to be a great defensive minded coach and its embarrassing how bad the defense has been for years now. Lets face it, he has some large deficiencies and has been getting a pass for what he achieved a decade ago. Fans believe he can recapture that gold while I dont think there's a snowballs chance in hades that he can. The team will never do anything again with him as the coach. Early post season exits is the best we can hope for.
 

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You mentioned the Giants receivers not being horrible and you would be right as this is the NFL and no team has horrible receivers, but could you name any of their receivers without looking them up? I cant. Probably why Jones ran for over 700 yards last season.

Geno is a system QB that usually fails when needing to be anything more than that. As for Carroll, he's a great motivator but not so good when it comes to game planning and X and O's. He's also supposed to be a great defensive minded coach and its embarrassing how bad the defense has been for years now. Lets face it, he has some large deficiencies and has been getting a pass for what he achieved a decade ago. Fans believe he can recapture that gold while I dont think there's a snowballs chance in hades that he can. The team will never do anything again with him as the coach. Early post season exits is the best we can hope for.
Yeah, the poor bastard was only able to throw for 4,280 yards - Comeback Player of The Year - Playoffs - Pro-Bowl, and that just p*sses y'all off?
OH AND!!! yet ANOTHER trip to the Playoffs for a Pete Carroll Seahawks team, care to venture a guess on how many teams are in "One and Done" playoff games EVERY SINGLE YEAR, OR how many teams that have WON a Super Bowl WITHOUT even making it TO the Playoffs???
 

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You mentioned the Giants receivers not being horrible and you would be right as this is the NFL and no team has horrible receivers, but could you name any of their receivers without looking them up? I cant. Probably why Jones ran for over 700 yards last season.

Geno is a system QB that usually fails when needing to be anything more than that. As for Carroll, he's a great motivator but not so good when it comes to game planning and X and O's. He's also supposed to be a great defensive minded coach and its embarrassing how bad the defense has been for years now. Lets face it, he has some large deficiencies and has been getting a pass for what he achieved a decade ago. Fans believe he can recapture that gold while I dont think there's a snowballs chance in hades that he can. The team will never do anything again with him as the coach. Early post season exits is the best we can hope for.
My brother in christ, Daniel Jones isn't even good enough in the system of Daboll to be called a system quarterback.

Geno plays really well within structure, yes. He had some good offscript moments last year, but he's definitely a quarterback who plays best in structure. That's not really being a "system quarterback." Every QB plays within a system. The ones who try to play independent of the offensive system they're in simply fail.
 

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Geno's contract incentives revealed.

Seahawks QB Geno Smith’s incentives are tied to his 2022 stats in five categories, per source: $2M each for: -
4,282 yards -
30 TDs -
69.755% completion % -
100.874 passer rating -
80% playtime & 10 wins/playoffs

Extra $5M if he hits them all.


By definition, they are all not expected to be achieved. That means if he does achieve any of them, the money he earns will be applied to the team's 2024 salary cap.

And... Mike Garafolo has corrected his earlier statement that he has another $12M guaranteed money in 2024. It's guaranteed only for injury.

Here's his correction:

Need to correct something on the Geno Smith deal: —The full guarantee is only Year 1 (2023). There’s a $12.7 million guarantee in 2024 that’s injury-only until next Feb. If he’s released before then, no more money would be owed. Apologies for the error there. Big difference.
 
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