Prisco on how to defend wilson

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pet ... y-rush-him
for the most part I agree with his assessment, but as he mentioned playing zone will allow us to pound the rock to oblivion

I stopped reading at Prisco.

Tech Worlds":balfd50s said:

I stopped reading at Prisco.

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cmon some of his stuff is trolling but when he talks x's and o's he's a decent writer

davidonmi":p7sxqdtq said:

Tech Worlds":p7sxqdtq said:

I stopped reading at Prisco.

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cmon some of his stuff is trolling but when he talks x's and o's he's a decent writer

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OK! Enough!

I'll go read it! ^o^

It was decent. Still think he'd adjust his style of play and continue to roll, but whatever.

I hate still shot photos to prove your point that people are open. They don't prove anything as they lack the context necessary to tell if that person was truly open.

Tech Worlds":1da3s89p said:

I hate still shot photos to prove your point that people are open. They don't prove anything as they lack the context necessary to tell if that person was truly open.

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I would argue that although he might not be open if the ball was thrown at the time the photo was taken, he was open if the ball was thrown so that he catches it at the time the photo was taken. It's not enough to throw to what appears to be an open receiver; you sometimes have to throw your receivers open.

Prisco is offbase. At the conclusion of last year, Russell's best passing numbers were from the pocket, and his worst, though not bad, were on the run.

Russell has posted two 300 yard games. Both were vs teams that played zone and did not blitz very much.

Scottemojo":2gr6hyul said:

Prisco is offbase. At the conclusion of last year, Russell's best passing numbers were from the pocket, and his worst, though not bad, were on the run.

Russell has posted two 300 yard games. Both were vs teams that played zone and did not blitz very much.

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Exactly. Like I was telling you back in the day..

When first scouting Wilson as a junior in college he showed tremendous patience in the pocket and was extremely adept at identifying holes in zone coverage and completing those passes consistently.

Defenses adapted by sending more pressure. His completion percentage went down considerably when pressure was applied via the blitz thru the A gap.

Russell Wilson tore up ATL's secondary last year with his arm as soon as they started playing zone

Tech Worlds":zjvqthdw said:

I stopped reading at Prisco.

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Thanks for the info. ON a similar note, I had pizza for lunch and it was good.

davidonmi":zjvqthdw said:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/24131807/after-further-review-wilsons-great-on-the-run-so-why-rush-him
for the most part I agree with his assessment, but as he mentioned playing zone will allow us to pound the rock to oblivion

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I think this writer is missing a more important note, or at least a more important note to us Hawk fans. This is the explanation on why the Hawk offense has not looked good so far this season, at least until last week for me. The coaches have been keeping him leashed up, telling him only to throw when the WRs are wide open in order to avoid interceptions. In the NFL, QBs need to take some risks, a step on a guy is being open. I think the coaches have started to be less risk averse with Wilson, as we saw during the Cardinals game. What this Prisco guy doesn't seem to realize is that Wilson CAN make those throws, he is capable. It's the coaches who are staying in his way. And Pete has hinted that they are letting loose of the leash, that sooner rather than later we will see the Wilson of late last year putting up massive games. Albeit with a few added mistakes.

Tech Worlds":3ldbdvbs said:

I hate still shot photos to prove your point that people are open. They don't prove anything as they lack the context necessary to tell if that person was truly open.

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Exactly, how close is the corner and is he closing? It's impossible to tell anything from that picture.

Here's all you need to know about Prisco and his biased writing, the only thing he mentions about Russell playing last year in order to prove his point:

"He used his legs against man coverage to beat the Bills as a rookie last season."

So a reader might take from that sentence that Prisco's points are valid, too bad he only referenced 1 game of the 16 Russell played last year, 18 if you count the playoffs. In that game Russell was also 14 of 23 for 209 yards 8.9 YPA and a QBR of 99.5. Marshawn had 113 yards, Turbin had 31 and Robinson had 29 for a total of 173 yards rushing besides Russell's 92.

Just a curious statement to make, picking a game against one of 2012's worst teams.

the thing i have a problem with this is he's pointing out the obvious, if teams could drop 8 or 9 into coverage by all means they would, problem is u can't do that against lynch. And if you do he'll eat up 7 or 8 yards at a time. Sometimes there's a reason teams don't do something

It appears to me that Prisco does not take into account that Wilson may get happy feet now because he knows his OL will shatter pretty much when the ball is snapped. But that is not the same Wilson that takes the snap when his first team OL is in the game. This is a very short sighted article and is evidence of shallow thinking and weak observation.

Wilson struggles most when he's shown zone, contained by the ends, and subjected to delayed blitzes, particularly from the secondary. But that doesn't mean he's completely impotent against such a look, it just means that's how to limit him. Wilson is rapidly approaching the QB stratosphere where all you can do is limit him and then outmatch him with your own offense. Fortunately, we have Lynch and our defense to prevent just that.

plyka":24gf0aaf said:

I think this writer is missing a more important note, or at least a more important note to us Hawk fans. This is the explanation on why the Hawk offense has not looked good so far this season, at least until last week for me. The coaches have been keeping him leashed up, telling him only to throw when the WRs are wide open in order to avoid interceptions. In the NFL, QBs need to take some risks, a step on a guy is being open. I think the coaches have started to be less risk averse with Wilson, as we saw during the Cardinals game. What this Prisco guy doesn't seem to realize is that Wilson CAN make those throws, he is capable. It's the coaches who are staying in his way. And Pete has hinted that they are letting loose of the leash, that sooner rather than later we will see the Wilson of late last year putting up massive games. Albeit with a few added mistakes.

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I don't know about that. I hear that from alot of people around here. Look at 2 of his touchdowns last game. Zach Miller was covered really well but Wilson put it in the only spot possible with perfect touch. The one to Sydney Rice he threw him open while rolling towards the right sideline. Those 2 passes most coaches would say don't throw but I think they give Wilson the green light to do what he wants.

I don't know, maybe we actually agree, not sure. But my point is I really don't believe they put a leash on him. I think the only thing they have emphasized recently to Wilson is if he doesn't feel comfortable throwing to anyone, go ahead and take off on a run. I just don't think Wilson has felt comfortable in the pocket and rightfully so. I read a stat recently that Seattle offensive line was the worst on the QB pressures. I knew we were bad but not the worst.

I thought the answer was going to be "Prayer". But then I realized that Russell probably wouldn't answer that prayer.

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Scottemojo":143kbcbr said:

Prisco is offbase. At the conclusion of last year, Russell's best passing numbers were from the pocket, and his worst, though not bad, were on the run.

Russell has posted two 300 yard games. Both were vs teams that played zone and did not blitz very much.

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Exactly. Like I was telling you back in the day..

When first scouting Wilson as a junior in college he showed tremendous patience in the pocket and was extremely adept at identifying holes in zone coverage and completing those passes consistently.

Defenses adapted by sending more pressure. His completion percentage went down considerably when pressure was applied via the blitz thru the A gap.

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You sure it was the A gap? My notes say it was the F gap.

Scottemojo":uv7wcg7m said:

Prisco is offbase. At the conclusion of last year, Russell's best passing numbers were from the pocket, and his worst, though not bad, were on the run.

Russell has posted two 300 yard games. Both were vs teams that played zone and did not blitz very much.

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Bingo. And Percy will make thts a non-issue anyway. He is nearly at the level where your best strategy is to keep him off the field like Brady/Brees/Manning. Luckily our defense makes that impossible to achieve regardless.

Gap Filler":xbypzzos said:

plyka":xbypzzos said:

I think this writer is missing a more important note, or at least a more important note to us Hawk fans. This is the explanation on why the Hawk offense has not looked good so far this season, at least until last week for me. The coaches have been keeping him leashed up, telling him only to throw when the WRs are wide open in order to avoid interceptions. In the NFL, QBs need to take some risks, a step on a guy is being open. I think the coaches have started to be less risk averse with Wilson, as we saw during the Cardinals game. What this Prisco guy doesn't seem to realize is that Wilson CAN make those throws, he is capable. It's the coaches who are staying in his way. And Pete has hinted that they are letting loose of the leash, that sooner rather than later we will see the Wilson of late last year putting up massive games. Albeit with a few added mistakes.

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I don't know about that. I hear that from alot of people around here. Look at 2 of his touchdowns last game. Zach Miller was covered really well but Wilson put it in the only spot possible with perfect touch. The one to Sydney Rice he threw him open while rolling towards the right sideline. Those 2 passes most coaches would say don't throw but I think they give Wilson the green light to do what he wants.

I don't know, maybe we actually agree, not sure. But my point is I really don't believe they put a leash on him. I think the only thing they have emphasized recently to Wilson is if he doesn't feel comfortable throwing to anyone, go ahead and take off on a run. I just don't think Wilson has felt comfortable in the pocket and rightfully so. I read a stat recently that Seattle offensive line was the worst on the QB pressures. I knew we were bad but not the worst.

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I agree with Gapfiller and think you are mistaken plyka. The coaches have repeated it over and over, as has Russell and his team mates, "there are no restrictions on Russell except for the play calls and he can check out of those." Look at the throw to Golden Tate in the End Zone, the one to Zach that Gap mentioned, and I'm sure there are more examples.

Now Russell might be more cautious about turn overs than most QBs, especially with the fumbleitis that seems to have infected this team, but even in that he is letting it rip more and more as he begins to get a feel for the game, his receivers and the speed/abilities of opposing defenses. Remember the Sidney Rice TD vs the Titans I think it was? Russell threw it because Sidney was waving, but if it had been a little off, or if Sid's arms would have been a few inches shorter, that would have been an INT. He said "Sidney you saved me" because as soon as he let it go he thought "uh oh."

So you have a hint of the truth in your statement Plyka, in that what the coaches were preaching last year may be still lingering in Mr. Wilson's thoughts, but it's just the shadow of that long forgotten game plan and he's starting to ignore it and instead make the kind of throws that only elite QBs can make.